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A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United States reduce

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27 Aug 2006, 01:21
D it is...

Agree with googi's explanation of it...
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Updated on: 11 Sep 2006, 01:54
A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United States reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump into the Great Lakes.
(A) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump
(D) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities are allowed to dump

Originally posted by quasars on 11 Sep 2006, 01:51.
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11 Sep 2006, 02:04
PP?

A seems to correctly convey the meaning here.
If we look at D, its saying something analogous to:

" The peace Act of 1800 brought to a stop the violence in 1920"....

A makes sense because it talks about an agreeement reached to solve a problem that existed before that time till then, so the use of "had been" is justified.
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11 Sep 2006, 02:16
quasars wrote:
Futuristic wrote:
I think its A

Why PP?

quasars, bear me, but I think your posted questions in this board suck.

you don't post the full question, you don't post the OA, but only ask your question!

if u continue to post this way, i won't even open your thread.
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11 Sep 2006, 09:54
D ... A clearly puts things in inverse order.

D --- A pact in the past has effect on present.

A --- A pact in the past had effect on its previous past (weird)
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26 Sep 2006, 06:48
This has been discussed once before...but not resolved..came across this in 1000CR...
Dont quite agree with D
This clearly should be A...
The amount was reduced from the one that municipalities were allowed to dump before 1972...had been makes more sense?

Does OG 11 (Q 62?) say D? Does anyone has access OE provided by OG11?
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26 Sep 2006, 07:29
Changing my answer to (D) here. The agreemnent made in 1972 still stands to this day, so past perfect isn't necessary.
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24 Dec 2006, 21:37
A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United States reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump into the Great Lakes.

(A) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump
(B) reduced the phosphate amount that municipalities had been dumping
(C) reduces the phosphate amount municipalities have been allowed to dump
(D) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities are allowed to dump
(E) reduces the amount of phosphates allowed for dumping by municipalities
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24 Dec 2006, 22:19
The correct answer needs to use the past perfect tense to convey the timeline correctly.

Dumping..followed by the agreement that reduced dumping.

A fits the bill.
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25 Dec 2006, 06:47
u2lover wrote:
A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United States reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump into the Great Lakes.

(A) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump
(B) reduced the phosphate amount that municipalities had been dumping
(C) reduces the phosphate amount municipalities have been allowed to dump
(D) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities are allowed to dump
(E) reduces the amount of phosphates allowed for dumping by municipalities

I know this question very well.

I went for A and the answer is D.

It says that the agreement holds to this day so D
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25 Dec 2006, 11:14
There is no past referred in the sentence, hence we can't use past perfect.

I agree with D, the agreement still holds good.
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Updated on: 25 Dec 2006, 11:31
trivikram wrote:
u2lover wrote:
A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United States reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump into the Great Lakes.

(A) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump
(B) reduced the phosphate amount that municipalities had been dumping
(C) reduces the phosphate amount municipalities have been allowed to dump
(D) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities are allowed to dump
(E) reduces the amount of phosphates allowed for dumping by municipalities

I know this question very well.

I went for A and the answer is D.

It says that the agreement holds to this day so D

1. Corporations were dumping a certain quantity x, of phosphates
2. In 1972, an agreement was signed
3. As a result corporations can and have been able to dump x-y amount of phosphates.

The agreement reduced the amount of phosphates x, that were allowed to dump prior to 1972. The agreement is still valid to this day, but the agreement is not constantly reducing the amount allowed.

I still believe that A is a better option. Is D the OA for this SC? If yes, can you post the OE.
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Originally posted by ncp on 25 Dec 2006, 11:29.
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25 Dec 2006, 11:31
Yup, that what I spent about a minute thinking of.

Does this agreement hold now or was it jus part of the past ?
why did the statement start with A 1972 agreement not THE 1972 agreement ?
I came into the colnclusion that it still holds now.

POE:
only D and E left

E somehow changes the meaning, slightly

So I would go with D as my final answer.
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28 Feb 2007, 16:41
2. A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United States reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump into the Great Lakes.
(A) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump
(B) reduced the phosphate amount that municipalities had been dumping
(C) reduces the phosphate amount municipalities have been allowed to dump
(D) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities are allowed to dump
(E) reduces the amount of phosphates allowed for dumping by municipalities

Answer is A..can someone explain the reasoning behind it.

thanks!

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28 Feb 2007, 17:24
OK.

This is a classic example of Past Perfect tense. Municipalities were allowed to dump phosphates into the Great Lakes prior to the agreement that occured in the past, (1972). Therefore, we use past tense (agreement reduced) in the first half of the sentence, and past perfect (had been allowed) in the second half.

Hence, there is nothing wrong with the original sentence.
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28 Feb 2007, 17:46
nervousgmat wrote:
OK.

This is a classic example of Past Perfect tense. Municipalities were allowed to dump phosphates into the Great Lakes prior to the agreement that occured in the past, (1972). Therefore, we use past tense (agreement reduced) in the first half of the sentence, and past perfect (had been allowed) in the second half.

Hence, there is nothing wrong with the original sentence.

the second verb would be past perfect if the action werent true or didnt continue into the present.
However it does continue into the present , so D is the answer
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28 Feb 2007, 18:34
D....the municipalities are still doing the dumping so the agreement regulates what they ARE allowed to dump...
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28 Feb 2007, 20:05
nervousgmat wrote:
OK.

This is a classic example of Past Perfect tense. Municipalities were allowed to dump phosphates into the Great Lakes prior to the agreement that occured in the past, (1972). Therefore, we use past tense (agreement reduced) in the first half of the sentence, and past perfect (had been allowed) in the second half.

Hence, there is nothing wrong with the original sentence.

the second verb would be past perfect if the action werent true or didnt continue into the present.
However it does continue into the present , so D is the answer

Cookiemonster, you are right. The action does continue into the present, and the answer should be D. Nitinneha, where did you get the answer from? It looks like D, not A should be a correct answer.
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01 Mar 2007, 22:35
http://www.gmatclub.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 090cf05a77

The OA is A.

Even i feel that it should be D.
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02 Mar 2007, 07:34
sidbidus wrote:
http://www.gmatclub.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=112952&highlight=&sid=28cd307a8b7eb1f075aa2b090cf05a77

The OA is A.

Even i feel that it should be D.

No, the correct answer is D.

Well, there is nothing in the sentence that indicates the agreement is still valid today.

The sentence is about the agreement in 1972, which is already the past.
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