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# A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United States reduce

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A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United States reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump into the Great Lakes.

(A) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump
(B) reduced the phosphate amount that municipalities had been dumping
(C) reduces the phosphate amount municipalities have been allowed to dump
(D) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities are allowed to dump
(E) reduces the amount of phosphates allowed for dumping by municipalities

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02 Jun 2006, 17:19
so the answer in sc _1000 problem number 2 doc file is wrong?

Can some one please explain this discrepancy.. the answer in sc_1000 says A, I went with D..
and the OG from the sound of it says D..

are there any more discrepancies?
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05 Jun 2006, 03:17
Will go with D.
Okay I am no grammar expert but let me give a try. IMO Dumping is one thing that goes on in the present day also.
So when the person is saying that a agreement in 1972 reduced the amount that the municipalities are allowed.
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05 Jun 2006, 04:45
IMO it should be A.
Past Perfect Tense is correctly used here.

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05 Jun 2006, 06:54
C,E are out --> 'reduces' is the wrong tense
B --> 'phosphate amount' is awkard. Out.
A --> Out. Not trying to emphasize two past actions.

I'll go with D. 'are allowed to dump' suggests what the 1972 agreement laid out for the two countries at that specific moment when it was enacted.
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27 Aug 2006, 01:07
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D it is.
Past perfect is used to suggest that something is over and done with before the main action of the past. It would be OK to say:

The 1972 agreement replaced the amount of phosphates that had been allowed with a new amount.

But if you are talking about changing an amount, then the amount existed before and continues to exist after the 1972 agreement. The present tense is used to refer to something that exists for all time.

Copernicus revealed that the Earth and the planets all revolve around the Sun.

"Revolve" is in the present tense because it is an action that was then and continues to take place. It would be wrong to say: "...revealed that the Earth and the planets revolved..." or "had revolved."

In the sentence under dicussion, there was and continues to be an amount of phosphates that municipalities can dump. The 1972 agreement reduced the amount, but the amount continues to exist.

I'll try one more example. Suppose I started a new diet last week. I formerly ate all the red meat I wanted. Under the new diet I allow myself to eat only 100 grams a day.

The diet I started last week reduced the amount of red meat I am allowed to eat to 100 grams a day.
It would be wrong to say:

The diet I started last week reduced the amount of red meat I had been allowed to eat to 100 grams a day.

Explanation by 800BOB.(testmagic)
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27 Aug 2006, 01:21
D it is...

Agree with googi's explanation of it...
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11 Sep 2006, 01:51
A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United States reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump into the Great Lakes.
(A) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump
(D) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities are allowed to dump

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11 Sep 2006, 02:04
PP?

A seems to correctly convey the meaning here.
If we look at D, its saying something analogous to:

" The peace Act of 1800 brought to a stop the violence in 1920"....

A makes sense because it talks about an agreeement reached to solve a problem that existed before that time till then, so the use of "had been" is justified.
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11 Sep 2006, 02:16
quasars wrote:
Futuristic wrote:
I think its A

Why PP?

quasars, bear me, but I think your posted questions in this board suck.

you don't post the full question, you don't post the OA, but only ask your question!

if u continue to post this way, i won't even open your thread.
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11 Sep 2006, 09:54
D ... A clearly puts things in inverse order.

D --- A pact in the past has effect on present.

A --- A pact in the past had effect on its previous past (weird)
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26 Sep 2006, 06:48
This has been discussed once before...but not resolved..came across this in 1000CR...
Dont quite agree with D
This clearly should be A...
The amount was reduced from the one that municipalities were allowed to dump before 1972...had been makes more sense?

Does OG 11 (Q 62?) say D? Does anyone has access OE provided by OG11?
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26 Sep 2006, 07:29
Changing my answer to (D) here. The agreemnent made in 1972 still stands to this day, so past perfect isn't necessary.
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24 Dec 2006, 21:37
A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United States reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump into the Great Lakes.

(A) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump
(B) reduced the phosphate amount that municipalities had been dumping
(C) reduces the phosphate amount municipalities have been allowed to dump
(D) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities are allowed to dump
(E) reduces the amount of phosphates allowed for dumping by municipalities
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24 Dec 2006, 22:19
The correct answer needs to use the past perfect tense to convey the timeline correctly.

Dumping..followed by the agreement that reduced dumping.

A fits the bill.
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25 Dec 2006, 06:47
u2lover wrote:
A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United States reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump into the Great Lakes.

(A) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump
(B) reduced the phosphate amount that municipalities had been dumping
(C) reduces the phosphate amount municipalities have been allowed to dump
(D) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities are allowed to dump
(E) reduces the amount of phosphates allowed for dumping by municipalities

I know this question very well.

I went for A and the answer is D.

It says that the agreement holds to this day so D
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25 Dec 2006, 11:14
There is no past referred in the sentence, hence we can't use past perfect.

I agree with D, the agreement still holds good.
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25 Dec 2006, 11:29
trivikram wrote:
u2lover wrote:
A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United States reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump into the Great Lakes.

(A) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump
(B) reduced the phosphate amount that municipalities had been dumping
(C) reduces the phosphate amount municipalities have been allowed to dump
(D) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities are allowed to dump
(E) reduces the amount of phosphates allowed for dumping by municipalities

I know this question very well.

I went for A and the answer is D.

It says that the agreement holds to this day so D

1. Corporations were dumping a certain quantity x, of phosphates
2. In 1972, an agreement was signed
3. As a result corporations can and have been able to dump x-y amount of phosphates.

The agreement reduced the amount of phosphates x, that were allowed to dump prior to 1972. The agreement is still valid to this day, but the agreement is not constantly reducing the amount allowed.

I still believe that A is a better option. Is D the OA for this SC? If yes, can you post the OE.
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25 Dec 2006, 11:31
Yup, that what I spent about a minute thinking of.

Does this agreement hold now or was it jus part of the past ?
why did the statement start with A 1972 agreement not THE 1972 agreement ?
I came into the colnclusion that it still holds now.

POE:
only D and E left

E somehow changes the meaning, slightly

So I would go with D as my final answer.
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25 Dec 2006, 23:01
OA is D
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28 Feb 2007, 16:41
2. A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United States reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump into the Great Lakes.
(A) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump
(B) reduced the phosphate amount that municipalities had been dumping
(C) reduces the phosphate amount municipalities have been allowed to dump
(D) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities are allowed to dump
(E) reduces the amount of phosphates allowed for dumping by municipalities

Answer is A..can someone explain the reasoning behind it.

thanks!

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