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A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United States reduce

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New post 18 Feb 2006, 18:43
joemama142000 wrote:
the oa is A.

I don't no how to explain B. If someone can that would be great


I think B changes the meaning

reduced the phosphate amount that municipali-
ties
had been dumping
It sounds like municipalities had been dumping amount not the phosphate.

Can someone refute me.
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New post Updated on: 18 Feb 2006, 21:52
I'm finding it a bit difficult to convince myself on "D". I'll work out.
Anyway, very good discussion :) Thank you all...


Edited: Got it.

Originally posted by vivek123 on 18 Feb 2006, 19:56.
Last edited by vivek123 on 18 Feb 2006, 21:52, edited 1 time in total.
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New post 18 Feb 2006, 20:57
terrible question, The real OA is D, which i just check from OG. Thanks guys.
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New post 20 Feb 2006, 10:30
A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United
States reduced the amount of phosphates that
municipalities had been allowed to dump into the
Great Lakes.

(A) reduced the amount of phosphates that munici-
palities had been allowed to dump
right
(B) reduced the phosphate amount that municipali-
ties had been dumping
had been dumping? ....I don't think so
(C) reduces the phosphate amount municipalities
have been allowed to dump

(D) reduced the amount of phosphates that munici-
palities are allowed to dump
(E) reduces the amount of phosphates allowed for
dumping by municipalities
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New post 20 Feb 2006, 13:11
I remember from OG the answer is D ! but only after prof's n old dream's explanation i understood. thnks guys
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New post 22 Mar 2006, 20:59
but the OA from OG 11th is D (Q 62nd).
"are allowed" is used to describe the present situation....
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New post 23 Mar 2006, 08:46
miquel wrote:
but the OA from OG 11th is D (Q 62nd).
"are allowed" is used to describe the present situation....



Any comments about this? Is there anything making us consider about present?

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New post 23 Mar 2006, 09:28
I chose D as well, OG 11 OA is D. The phosphate dumping is a present situation, so the amount munis are allowed to dump was reduced.
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A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United States reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump into the Great Lakes.


(A) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities had been allowed to dump
(B) reduced the phosphate amount that municipalities had been dumping
(C) reduces the phosphate amount municipalities have been allowed to dump
(D) reduced the amount of phosphates that municipalities are allowed to dump
(E) reduces the amount of phosphates allowed for dumping by municipalities
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New post 02 Apr 2006, 02:18
(D) the agreement holds to this day.
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(D) the agreement holds to this day.


How do we know that the agreement holds till now?

Would you explain, plz?
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New post 02 Apr 2006, 02:33
Because the sentence reads:

A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United States......

<rather than>

In 1972, an agreement between Canada and the United States......

Hope that clears things up :-D
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antiant wrote:
GMATT73 wrote:
Because the sentence reads:

A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United States......

<rather than>

In 1972, an agreement between Canada and the United States......

Hope that clears things up :-D


it's clear now. Thanks.


Antiant, can you please clarify the math sequence problem for me in the other forum?
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New post 02 Apr 2006, 06:50
GMATT73 wrote:
antiant wrote:
GMATT73 wrote:
Because the sentence reads:

A 1972 agreement between Canada and the United States......

<rather than>

In 1972, an agreement between Canada and the United States......

Hope that clears things up :-D


it's clear now. Thanks.


Antiant, can you please clarify the math sequence problem for me in the other forum?


sorry I don't know which problem you are talking about. would you send me an URL of it?
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New post 02 Jun 2006, 17:19
so the answer in sc _1000 doc file is wrong?

Can some one please explain this discrepancy.. the answer in sc_1000 says A, I went with D..
and the OG from the sound of it says D..

are there any more discrepancies?
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New post 02 Jun 2006, 17:19
so the answer in sc _1000 problem number 2 doc file is wrong?

Can some one please explain this discrepancy.. the answer in sc_1000 says A, I went with D..
and the OG from the sound of it says D..

are there any more discrepancies?
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New post 05 Jun 2006, 03:17
Will go with D.
Okay I am no grammar expert but let me give a try. IMO Dumping is one thing that goes on in the present day also.
So when the person is saying that a agreement in 1972 reduced the amount that the municipalities are allowed.
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New post 05 Jun 2006, 04:45
IMO it should be A.
Past Perfect Tense is correctly used here.

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New post 05 Jun 2006, 06:54
C,E are out --> 'reduces' is the wrong tense
B --> 'phosphate amount' is awkard. Out.
A --> Out. Not trying to emphasize two past actions.

I'll go with D. 'are allowed to dump' suggests what the 1972 agreement laid out for the two countries at that specific moment when it was enacted.
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New post 27 Aug 2006, 01:07
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D it is.
Past perfect is used to suggest that something is over and done with before the main action of the past. It would be OK to say:

The 1972 agreement replaced the amount of phosphates that had been allowed with a new amount.

But if you are talking about changing an amount, then the amount existed before and continues to exist after the 1972 agreement. The present tense is used to refer to something that exists for all time.

Copernicus revealed that the Earth and the planets all revolve around the Sun.

"Revolve" is in the present tense because it is an action that was then and continues to take place. It would be wrong to say: "...revealed that the Earth and the planets revolved..." or "had revolved."

In the sentence under dicussion, there was and continues to be an amount of phosphates that municipalities can dump. The 1972 agreement reduced the amount, but the amount continues to exist.

I'll try one more example. Suppose I started a new diet last week. I formerly ate all the red meat I wanted. Under the new diet I allow myself to eat only 100 grams a day.

The diet I started last week reduced the amount of red meat I am allowed to eat to 100 grams a day.
It would be wrong to say:

The diet I started last week reduced the amount of red meat I had been allowed to eat to 100 grams a day.


Explanation by 800BOB.(testmagic)
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