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a, b and c are integers such that a < b < c. Do they have a common difference (or Is a, b, c an Arithmetic progression?)

(1) Mean of (a, b, c, 4) is greater than mean of (a, b, c)
(2) Median of (a, b, c, 4) is less than median of (a, b, c)

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Using (1)
$$(a+b+c+4)/4 > (a +b+c)/3$$
or $$a+b+c<12$$
No clue about a, b, c. Insufficient

Using (2)
four possibilities:
(a, b, c, 4), median (b+c)/2 < b or c < b, not possible
(4, a, b, c), median (b+a)/2 < b or b > a, already known
(a, 4, b, c), median (b+4)/2 < b or b > 4
(a, b, 4, c), median (b+c)/2 < b or b > 4
Considering all the above cases: $$b > 4$$
But still no clue about a & c. Insufficient.

Using (1) & (2),
$$b_m_i_n = 5$$, (a, b, c are integers)
assuming all are in A.P.
which means,
a = b - k
c = b + k
from (1), $$a+b+c < 12$$
or $$(b-k)+b+(b+k) < 12$$
or$$3b < 12$$ or $$b < 4$$
but $$b > 4$$ (from (2)), thus the assumption is wrong.
and a, b, c cannot be in AP

Answer (C).
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18 Jun 2015, 05:08
Hi, I see that no one responded to this one. I cannot figure it out muself, but will share my thoughts.

[1] a+b+c+4 / 4 > a+b+c/3
I tested the means for these numbers: 2-4-6-4 (if a,b,c did have a common difference). It turns out that the means are the same.
I tested the means for these numbers: 2-5-6-4 (if a,b,c did not have a common difference). It turns out that the first means is greater than the second.

However, I have no idea what this means, or if, in the condition when they d have a common difference, they should also have a common difference with 4 (the extra number).

[2] Let's say that these are the numbers in increasing order:
a-b-c-4 or 4-a-b-c (and I am not sure here is 4 is supposed to be greatersmaller than the rest or could even be in between).

Then bc (or ab) > b.
If the numbers are: 1,2,3,4, then the median is 2.5. For 1,2,3 the median is 3. So, the second median is greater, which should not happen.
If the numbers are: 1,3,4,4, then the median is 3.5. For 1,3,4 the median is 3. The first median is greater, which is what should happen.

But again, I have no idea what this means...
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22 Jun 2015, 14:06
pacifist85 wrote:
Hi, I see that no one responded to this one. I cannot figure it out muself, but will share my thoughts.

[1] a+b+c+4 / 4 > a+b+c/3
I tested the means for these numbers: 2-4-6-4 (if a,b,c did have a common difference). It turns out that the means are the same.
I tested the means for these numbers: 2-5-6-4 (if a,b,c did not have a common difference). It turns out that the first means is greater than the second.

However, I have no idea what this means, or if, in the condition when they d have a common difference, they should also have a common difference with 4 (the extra number).

[2] Let's say that these are the numbers in increasing order:
a-b-c-4 or 4-a-b-c (and I am not sure here is 4 is supposed to be greatersmaller than the rest or could even be in between).

Then bc (or ab) > b.
If the numbers are: 1,2,3,4, then the median is 2.5. For 1,2,3 the median is 3. So, the second median is greater, which should not happen.
If the numbers are: 1,3,4,4, then the median is 3.5. For 1,3,4 the median is 3. The first median is greater, which is what should happen.

But again, I have no idea what this means...

We need to find out whether is a,b,c - progression

1.s (a+b+c+4)/4>(a+b+c)/3 , thus a+b+c<12 or in other words a+b+c<=11 as a,b,c - integers. Let's test it 2,3,4=9 ok 2,3,5=10 also satisfy. Thus s1 is unsuf.
2. median of a,b,c is b as a<b<c. Median in a,b,c,4 could be 4 versions (4,a,b,c) , (a,4,b,c), (a,b,4,c), (a,b,c,4)
(4,a,b,c) means b>(a+b)/2 if a>4 . b>a>4
(a,4,b,c) means b>(4+b)2 if a<4<b . b>4 -
(a,b,4,c) means b>(b+4)/2 if b<4<c. b>4 - doesn't work as 4>b condition
(a,b,c,4) means b>(b+c)/2 if b<c<4. b>c - doesn't work as c>b condition
Conclusion:
b>a>4 for sure
Clearly statement 2 is not suf, as a,b,c could be progression or could be not. Simply input numbers

Let's combine 1 and 2 statements.
We know that a+b+c<12, and b>a>4. Let's input numbers a=5, b=6,c=7 total>12. the answer is no, thus sufficient.
Answer C.
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