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A few people who are bad writers simply cannot improve their writing, whether or not they receive instruction. still, most bad writers can at least be taught to improve their writing enough so that they are no longer bad writers. However, no one can become a great writer simply by being taught how to be a better writer, since great writers must have not just skill, but also talent.
Which one of the following can be properly infered from the passage above?
A). All bad writers can become better writers.
B). All great writers had to be taught to become better writers.
C). Some bad writer can never become great writers.
D). Some bad writers can become great writers.
E). Some great writers can be taught to be even better writers.

Can someone please shed some light on this question as to how you approach this question. Do you use Logic Diagrams in such questions?

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23 Jul 2012, 08:20
I picked C. Here is my reason:

Bad Writer - > taught/skill !-> great writer

taught + talent -> great writer (last line)

from the diag. above: only C is correct that some bad writers can't become great writers.

PS: !-> stands for does not implies.

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A few people who are bad writers simply cannot improve their writing, whether or not they receive instruction. still, most bad writers can at least be taught to improve their writing enough so that they are no longer bad writers. However, no one can become a great writer simply by being taught how to be a better writer, since great writers must have not just skill, but also talent.
Which one of the following can be properly infered from the passage above?
A). All bad writers can become better writers.
B). All great writers had to be taught to become better writers.
C). Some bad writer can never become great writers.
D). Some bad writers can become great writers.
E). Some great writers can be taught to be even better writers.

Can someone please shed some light on this question as to how you approach this question. Do you use Logic Diagrams in such questions?

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You don't need any venn diagrams for this question. Just pick the required info:

1. Some bad writer CANNOT get better.
2. Most bad writers can be taught enough to be not bad anymore.
3. No one can become great by simply being taught how to be better since you need talent to be great.

Option (C) is straight forward - some bad writers can never become great (in fact some cannot even get better, forget about great).

Look at the other options:

A). All bad writers can become better writers - Incorrect according to the argument
B). All great writers had to be taught to become better writers - Incorrect according to the argument
D). Some bad writers can become great writers - Perhaps not! May be, if they have hidden talent but we certainly cannot infer this statement from the argument. The argument only tells us what cannot make one a great writer. It doesn't tell us what will make someone great.
E). Some great writers can be taught to be even better writers. - The argument doesn't talk about making great even better.
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28 Jul 2012, 22:45
If in option C some is replaced by ALL, will it be still correct?
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VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:
imhimanshu wrote:
A few people who are bad writers simply cannot improve their writing, whether or not they receive instruction. still, most bad writers can at least be taught to improve their writing enough so that they are no longer bad writers. However, no one can become a great writer simply by being taught how to be a better writer, since great writers must have not just skill, but also talent.
Which one of the following can be properly infered from the passage above?
A). All bad writers can become better writers.
B). All great writers had to be taught to become better writers.
C). Some bad writer can never become great writers.
D). Some bad writers can become great writers.
E). Some great writers can be taught to be even better writers.

Can someone please shed some light on this question as to how you approach this question. Do you use Logic Diagrams in such questions?

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You don't need any venn diagrams for this question. Just pick the required info:

1. Some bad writer CANNOT get better.
2. Most bad writers can be taught enough to be not bad anymore.
3. No one can become great by simply being taught how to be better since you need talent to be great.

Option (C) is straight forward - some bad writers can never become great (in fact some cannot even get better, forget about great).

Look at the other options:

A). All bad writers can become better writers - Incorrect according to the argument
B). All great writers had to be taught to become better writers - Incorrect according to the argument
D). Some bad writers can become great writers - Perhaps not! May be, if they have hidden talent but we certainly cannot infer this statement from the argument. The argument only tells us what cannot make one a great writer. It doesn't tell us what will make someone great.
E). Some great writers can be taught to be even better writers. - The argument doesn't talk about making great even better.

Hi Karishma,
"It doesn't tell us what will make someone great."
I disagree, it does tell us what it takes to be a great writer, that is talent:
"...since great writers must have not just skill, but also talent".
Any thoughts?

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VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:
imhimanshu wrote:
A few people who are bad writers simply cannot improve their writing, whether or not they receive instruction. still, most bad writers can at least be taught to improve their writing enough so that they are no longer bad writers. However, no one can become a great writer simply by being taught how to be a better writer, since great writers must have not just skill, but also talent.
Which one of the following can be properly infered from the passage above?
A). All bad writers can become better writers.
B). All great writers had to be taught to become better writers.
C). Some bad writer can never become great writers.
D). Some bad writers can become great writers.
E). Some great writers can be taught to be even better writers.

Can someone please shed some light on this question as to how you approach this question. Do you use Logic Diagrams in such questions?

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You don't need any venn diagrams for this question. Just pick the required info:

1. Some bad writer CANNOT get better.
2. Most bad writers can be taught enough to be not bad anymore.
3. No one can become great by simply being taught how to be better since you need talent to be great.

Option (C) is straight forward - some bad writers can never become great (in fact some cannot even get better, forget about great).

Look at the other options:

A). All bad writers can become better writers - Incorrect according to the argument
B). All great writers had to be taught to become better writers - Incorrect according to the argument
D). Some bad writers can become great writers - Perhaps not! May be, if they have hidden talent but we certainly cannot infer this statement from the argument. The argument only tells us what cannot make one a great writer. It doesn't tell us what will make someone great.
E). Some great writers can be taught to be even better writers. - The argument doesn't talk about making great even better.

Hi Karishma,
"It doesn't tell us what will make someone great."
I disagree, it does tell us what it takes to be a great writer, that is talent:
"...since great writers must have not just skill, but also talent".
Any thoughts?

This is the necessary/sufficient condition distinction.
"...since great writers must have not just skill, but also talent". tells you that you NEED skill and talent to be great. The point is will everyone who posses both be great? We don't know. We don't know what is sufficient to make a great writer. What we know is what is necessary "not just skill but also talent"
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Isn't it "all bad writers can never be great writers"?

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A few people who are bad writers simply cannot improve their writing, whether or not they receive instruction. still, most bad writers can at least be taught to improve their writing enough so that they are no longer bad writers. However, no one can become a great writer simply by being taught how to be a better writer, since great writers must have not just skill, but also talent.
Which one of the following can be properly infered from the passage above?
A). All bad writers can become better writers....NOR REALLY .. SEE OPENING STATEMENT...
B). All great writers had to be taught to become better writers.STRETCHING IT TOO MUCH..
C). Some bad writer can never become great writers....CORRECT ... SEE OPENING NARRATIVE.....
D). Some bad writers can become great writers.....STRETCHING IT TOO MUCH....
E). Some great writers can be taught to be even better writers...STRETCHING IT TOO MUCH.....

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Isn't it "all bad writers can never be great writers"?

Thanks for discussion!

No. You need to be very particular about EXACTLY what is given. All we have is this:

1. Some bad writers CANNOT get better.
2. Most bad writers can be taught enough to be not bad anymore.
3. No one can become great by simply being taught how to be better since you need talent to be great.

We know that one cannot become great by being taught if he doesn't have talent. But do we know that all bad writers have no talent? It's not given to us. One could be a bad writer because one was not instructed well. But actually one may have "hidden talent". Anyway, these are just assumptions but the point is that we are not given that all bad writers do not have talent. We are given though that 'some bad writers cannot get better' so we know that they will never become great writers. So we can say that 'some bad writers will never be great.'
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imhimanshu wrote:
A few people who are bad writers simply cannot improve their writing, whether or not they receive instruction. still, most bad writers can at least be taught to improve their writing enough so that they are no longer bad writers. However, no one can become a great writer simply by being taught how to be a better writer, since great writers must have not just skill, but also talent.
Which one of the following can be properly infered from the passage above?
A). All bad writers can become better writers.
B). All great writers had to be taught to become better writers.
C). Some bad writer can never become great writers.
D). Some bad writers can become great writers.
E). Some great writers can be taught to be even better writers.

Can someone please shed some light on this question as to how you approach this question. Do you use Logic Diagrams in such questions?

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The opening line of the passage gives a good amount of information to make the decision.

2nd line says --> most bad writers can be taught so that they are no longer bad.
next line says --> still being better writer doesn't make one great writer until one has talent.

Now if you again go through 1st line, you will get a clear picture.
'Some bad writers will be bad even after giving instructions. So they can't become great writers (when they couldn't become better/NOT bad writers).

So correct answer choice is C.
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as well known from the definition of inference it is a near fetched conclusion(often called hidden conclusion),only option C meets the brief.

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imhimanshu wrote:
A few people who are bad writers simply cannot improve their writing, whether or not they receive instruction. still, most bad writers can at least be taught to improve their writing enough so that they are no longer bad writers. However, no one can become a great writer simply by being taught how to be a better writer, since great writers must have not just skill, but also talent.

Which one of the following can be properly infered from the passage above?

A). All bad writers can become better writers.
B). All great writers had to be taught to become better writers.
C). Some bad writer can never become great writers.
D). Some bad writers can become great writers.
E). Some great writers can be taught to be even better writers.

General Description: This question asks you to find the response that can be inferred from the given passage. A statement that may well be true, but that is irrelevant to the passage, cannot be the best answer. Even a response that presents information consistent with the passage need not be the best answer. Rather, the passage must provide grounds or support for inferring the response in order for that response to be the best answer.

A. Incorrect. This statement is contradicted by the first sentence in the passage, which states that there are some bad writers who cannot become better writers.

B. Incorrect. This statement is consistent with the passage. The passage allows the possibility that all great writers had to be taught to become better writers, though it says (in the last sentence) that teaching is not sufficient for becoming a great writer. But the passage also allows the possibility that some great writers did not have to be taught to become better writers. Since both the statement and its opposite are consistent with the passage, the statement in response (B) cannot be inferred from the passage.

C. Correct. This follows from the first sentence: Since some people are bad writers who cannot improve their writing, and since bad writers would have to improve their writing as a precondition for becoming great writers, it follows that there are some people who are bad writers and who can never become great writers.

D. Incorrect. Given the passage, there may well be some bad writers who can become great writers, but it might be instead that no bad writers can become great writers. Since both the statement and its opposite are consistent with the passage, the statement in response (D) cannot be inferred from the passage.

E. Incorrect. The passage makes no claims about how a great writer could become an even better writer, so this response cannot be inferred from the passage.

Difficulty Level: Medium difficulty

Tips and Pitfalls: If a question asks what can be properly inferred from the passage, do not choose a response simply because it is consistent with the passage. The correct response will be one that follows logically from the statements in the passage; that is, the one that is consistent with the passage, but whose opposite is not consistent with the passage.
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I am one of them. I want to resolve this problem.

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