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13 Jun 2010, 04:12
Why do we need past perfect here in the first clause--> someone predicting X in 1880 would guess (why do we need a have in between?)

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13 Jun 2010, 04:14
Why do we need present perfect tense in the first clause ==>

Someone predicting X in 1890 would guess.....'
Why do we need have in between...really confused?

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07 Jul 2010, 03:22
can someone please explain,Why not C??

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A historian attempting to predict in the 1870's which nation would take over world leadership from the British probably would have guessed Bismarck's Prussia and been quite wrong.

(A) have guessed Bismarck's Prussia and (would)been ->no need to specify would again.
(B) have guessed that it would have been Bismarck's Prussia and he would be ->tense order should be reversed
(C) have guessed Bismarck's Prussia and would be
->needs would have been->this action is some where after the past(i.e. in the future of the past) but before the present.
(D) guess Bismarck's Prussia and be
(E) guess that it would be Bismarck's Prussia and would have been

IMO 'A'
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27 Feb 2011, 11:05
is this explanation accurate ? why not E) guess that it would be Bismarck's Prussia and would have been ,

is this wrong because of redundancy ?
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A historian attempting to predict in the 1870's which nation would take over world leadership from the British probably would have guessed Bismarck's Prussia and been quite wrong.

(A) have guessed Bismarck's Prussia and been
Is correct as written as the 'would' applies to both - would have guessed and would have been wrong.
Why we require present perfect here?he made a prediction and was wrong about it; he still is wrong..recall from mgmat SC that when the effect continues, the present perfect is called for.
(B) have guessed that it would have been Bismarck's Prussia and he would be
unnecessarily wordy; what does 'it' refer to here; 'been wrong' is required here for the sake of parallelism and tense
(C) have guessed Bismarck's Prussia and would be
'and would be' is wrong as 'would have been' is required for parallelism and tense reasons
(D) guess Bismarck's Prussia and be
we are talking about 1870s. had it been about now, we could have used something similar to 'I will guess x and be wrong'
(E) guess that it would be Bismarck's Prussia and would have been
similar reasoning as D. Also its wordy.

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24 Jul 2011, 01:04
I will go with C, what is the source of this question?

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24 Jul 2011, 01:05
I am really not convinced with the explanation provided.

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A historian attempting to predict in the 1870's which nation would take over world leadership from the British probably would have guessed Bismarck's Prussia and been quite wrong.

(A) have guessed Bismarck's Prussia and (would)been ->no need to specify would again.
(B) have guessed that it would have been Bismarck's Prussia and he would be ->tense order should be reversed
(C) have guessed Bismarck's Prussia and would be
->needs would have been->this action is some where after the past(i.e. in the future of the past) but before the present.
(D) guess Bismarck's Prussia and be
(E) guess that it would be Bismarck's Prussia and would have been

IMO 'A'

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31 Oct 2012, 06:57
The action must take in past hence D and E are out immediately.
Now we have to keep the sequence of events in mind. Both action are hypothetical and must take in past. Moreover, prediction has to be earlier action.
So the sequence is 1) guessing--->2)result whether the prediction is correct or not
since the prediction would have take placed in between present and hypothetical past, the same goes for the result.
Hence would have guessed and would have been quite wrong is correct.
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33. A historian attempting to predict in the 1870's which nation would take over world leadership from the British probably would have guessed Bismarck's Prussia and been quite wrong.

(A) have guessed Bismarck's Prussia and been
(B) have guessed that it would have been Bismarck's Prussia and he would be
(C) have guessed Bismarck's Prussia and would be
(D) guess Bismarck's Prussia and be
(E) guess that it would be Bismarck's Prussia and would have been

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33. A historian attempting to predict in the 1870's which nation would take over world leadership from the British probably would have guessed Bismarck's Prussia and been quite wrong.

(A) have guessed Bismarck's Prussia and been
(B) have guessed that it would have been Bismarck's Prussia and he would be
(C) have guessed Bismarck's Prussia and would be
(D) guess Bismarck's Prussia and be
(E) guess that it would be Bismarck's Prussia and would have been

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Between A and C? I guess we need been cause we are talking about something that happened long ago is that correct?

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A historian attempting to predict in the 1870's which nation would take over world leadership from the British probably would have guessed Bismarck's Prussia and been quite wrong.

(A) have guessed Bismarck's Prussia and been
parrallel in the usage of verb tense: ... would have guessed ... and would have been ...

(B) have guessed that it would have been Bismarck's Prussia and he would be
wordy and awkward

(C) have guessed Bismarck's Prussia and would be
not parrallel in the usage of verb tense

(D) guess Bismarck's Prussia and be
change the intended meaning of the sentence, the author want to express a possibility and an uncertainty about his/her hypothesis

(E) guess that it would be Bismarck's Prussia and would have been
wrong verb tense and not parrallel

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Hi,
This question tests for the hypothetical construction.
The two things mentioned about historians, "guessing and being wrong", have not actually happened. Both are hypothetical case that might have happened in past but did not. So, for both of the cases "would have guessed" and "would have been" is correctly used.
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not real event in the past

would have guessed and would have been wrong

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