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New post 27 Jun 2010, 05:07
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so, is the answer (d) ?
i dont think d is correct as in (D), they can either refer to power stations or to the jounalists.

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Journalists are not something that can be made safe. Pronoun ambiguity arises when there is more than one logical referent for a pronoun, causing the sentence to have two different possible, logical meanings.

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Very well explained Sarai. I certainly learn something whenever I read your explanation. Please keep posting your valuable tips.
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New post 27 Jun 2010, 17:07
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Journalists are not something that can be made safe. Pronoun ambiguity arises when there is more than one logical referent for a pronoun, causing the sentence to have two different possible, logical meanings.
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I would normally agree with that, but sometimes I feel unsure if that rule above can be generalized....

consider the following SC from OG12 (spoiler alert here...):

A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses ...; the question is whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses after THEIR horns are trimed.

obviously journalists are not something that can be made safe, but isn't it quite obvious that humans don't have horns!??! so under your rule above, the THEIR should correctly and unambigously refer to rhinos? But OG12 says that THEIR could refer to the tourists as well.

the question is where I draw the line of possibile logical referent?

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Journalists are not something that can be made safe. Pronoun ambiguity arises when there is more than one logical referent for a pronoun, causing the sentence to have two different possible, logical meanings.
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I would normally agree with that, but sometimes I feel unsure if that rule above can be generalized....

consider the following SC from OG12 (spoiler alert here...):

A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses ...; the question is whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses after THEIR horns are trimed.

obviously journalists are not something that can be made safe, but isn't it quite obvious that humans don't have horns!??! so under your rule above, the THEIR should correctly and unambigously refer to rhinos? But OG12 says that THEIR could refer to the tourists as well.

the question is where I draw the line of possibile logical referent?

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A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses to discourage poachers; the question is whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are trimmed.
(A) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are
(B) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one once their horns are
(C) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses once the animals’ horns have been
(D) if tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses once the animals’ horns are
(E) if tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one after the animals’ horns have been

Hi Adalfu,

I don't have the OG12 in front of me at the moment, so I don't know what they wrote in the explanation, but while the problem is here, let's break it down.

You are absolutely right that there is no way to confuse people as the referent for "their". However, when an SC problem bothers to replace a pronoun with the actual noun, the result is a clearer sentence and there'll be preference for such an answer choice. Even when a pronoun is not ambiguous, the reader does have to do the work of finding the referent, and so a sentence is always a bit clearer when the noun is used instead of the pronoun.


There are three other major issues here though:

1) Tenses: We want to indicate that the trimming precedes the visiting; this is why 'has been' is needed-- the past has to be involved in the verb.

2) If vs. Whether: IF THE SENTENCE IS NOT A CONDITIONAL, DO NOT USE 'IF'.

3) Ellipses: In B, the word 'one' means 'one rhinoceros'. But the word 'rhinoceros' does not appear in the sentence. Only the plural, 'rhinoceroses', appears, and you cannot imply a word that never shows up!

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More on conditionals in SC Lesson 8 and practice with ellipses in SC Lesson 9 at gmaxonline!
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New post 28 Jun 2010, 09:13
Thank you Sarai,

I got the right answer because of the tense issue (are and not have been) in (B) -- just as you clearly described above. So the take-away is that GMAC will NOT trick you with an answer choice like the following:

(F) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses once their horns have been

But even if (F) was present, I would still pick (C) since the latter is the more unambiguous of the two choices. I guess that's why they ask you to pick the "best" answer of the choices given, and not necessarily the "absolute correct" choice.
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New post 28 Jun 2010, 23:27
studying modal auxiliary verbs will definitely help here.

can, could
may, might
shall, should
will, would
must, must

where could, might, should, and would are either used as past tense form or conditional form.

must is all 3: present tense (since the word mote is archaic), past tense, and conditional.
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(C)

A. whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are
B. whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one once their horns are
C. whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses once the animals horns have been --> RIGHT
D. if tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses once the animals horns are
E. if tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one after the animals horns have been
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How is would not correct? The survey happened in the past and it is reasonable to assume that the views were also expressed then. Prediction for the future in the past is correctly expressed by "would".

Also "power station" makes the reference clear. Although, it could be argued that Power stations can't think so the "they" in D refers to the journalists.
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'Will be' denotes future, 'could be' denotes a possibility. Hence D.
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New post 28 Dec 2011, 08:06
can some one explain in detail whats wrong with B?
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New post 28 Dec 2011, 12:50
offbeat question. D is just better.

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A, B, and C are clearly wrong because they involve a missing verb after 'but'

Between D and E, D is better because it uses the correct tense 'will' instead of 'would'. Second, there is a missing 'be' after 'would'.

D it is.
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I agree. D is the correct answer . This is the only sentence that makes complete sense.
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Doesn't "They" in the option D give an impression that it is referring to "journalists" instead of "Power Stations"

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A majority of the international journalists surveyed view nuclear power stations as unsafe at present but that they will, or could, be made sufficiently safe in the future.
(A) that they will, or could,
(B) that they would, or could,
(C) they will be or could
(D) think that they will be or could
(E) think the power stations would or could



i am with E.
a. Pronoun they is referring to Journalists or powerstations : not clear
b.Pronoun they is referring to Journalists or powerstations : not clear
c.Pronoun they is referring to Journalists or powerstations : not clear
d.Pronoun they is referring to Journalists or powerstations : not clear
e. correct and would or could are parallel.

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The official answer is "D"..:)

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A majority of the international journalists surveyed view nuclear power stations as unsafe at present but that they will, or could, be made sufficiently safe in the future.

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Error Analysis:

Conjunction “but” joins two independent clauses. But we have a dependent clause after “but” that does not connect too well with the preceding independent clause. The meaning of the sentence is not very clear from the way this sentence has been written.

POE:

Choice A: that they will, or could,: Incorrect for the reasons stated above.

Choice B: that they would, or could,: Incorrect. Same errors as in choice A.

Choice C: they will be or could: Incorrect. Pronoun “they” appears as the subject of the second independent clause and “a majority of the international journalists surveyed” is the subject of the first independent clause. The placement of “they” is such that it refers to the subject of the first independent clause that makes the sentence illogical.

Choice D: think that they will be or could: Correct.

Choice E: think the power stations would or could: Incorrect. Use of “would” is incorrect in this sentence. When the reported speech is in the present tense then the future tense verb in the statement should be “will”. “would” is used when the reported speech is in the past tense. In this choice the reported speech “think” is in present tense. Hence the verb “will” should be used here and not “would”.

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according to above point, usage of "could" should also be incorrect as it is a past tense construction

another point, i eliminated D) because "will" cannot be parallel to "could", "will" is parallel to "can" and "would" is parallel to "could"

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its bxn C or D...... As only these 2 maintain the correct Parallelism.... WILL BE OR COULD BE

D: Journalists view X (stations are unsafe) ............BUT ........... They think Y -------- Parallel

what can they refer back to ............. Unanimously Journalists and not stations ( because stations cannot THINK - NOTE the following verb )

now scanning the latter half ie Y

THey will be........OR.......could be made safe

Now the intent of the sent scores over : Can journalists be made safe ------ Guess no ; Thus here they only can refer back to Stations.

Leading to D - my take.

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