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# A poor farmer was fond of telling his children: In this

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A poor farmer was fond of telling his children: â€œIn this world, you are either rich or poor, and you are either honest or dishonest. All poor farmers are honest. Therefore, all rich farmers are dishonest.â€
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18 Feb 2005, 17:38
The conclusion is : rich farmers are dishonest

A) every honest farmer is poor:
This says that if you are honest farmer you must also be poor - can't be rich. So, no honest farmer is rich.
I think only A lets you conclude clearly that rich farmers are dishonest.

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18 Feb 2005, 18:34
saurya_s wrote:
A poor farmer was fond of telling his children: “In this world, you are either rich or poor, and you are either honest or dishonest. All poor farmers are honest. Therefore, all rich farmers are dishonest.”
The farmer’s conclusion is properly drawn if the argument assumes that
(A) every honest farmer is poor
I was left with this.
(B) every honest person is a farmer
means that rich farmers are also honest (eliminate)
(C) everyone who is dishonest is a rich farmer
there may be some rich farmers who are not dishonest (eliminate)
(D) everyone who is poor is honest
you may still see a rich man who is honest. No connection here with a rich farmer. (eliminate)
(E) every poor person is a farmer
Nope - way out of it. (eliminate)

Hos does one approach this type of Q

I POEd my way through and arrived at A after about 6 mins.

(A) every honest farmer is poor
I was left with this.
(B) every honest person is a farmer
means that rich farmers are also honest (eliminate)
(C) everyone who is dishonest is a rich farmer
there may be some rich farmers who are not dishonest (eliminate)
(D) everyone who is poor is honest
you may still see a rich man who is honest. No connection here with a rich farmer. (eliminate)
(E) every poor person is a farmer
So, no rich farmers exist to access (eliminate)

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18 Feb 2005, 18:41
My answer is A...I think you can eliminate choices that do not have farmers and talk of people in general, that way you can get rid of B, C, D and E because really all the farmer says is all honest farmers are poor and therefore all rich farmers are dishonest....he isn't really talking about people so you cannot assume anything about people other than farmers.
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18 Feb 2005, 20:14
greenandwise wrote:
My answer is A...I think you can eliminate choices that do not have farmers and talk of people in general, that way you can get rid of B, C, D and E because really all the farmer says is all honest farmers are poor and therefore all rich farmers are dishonest....he isn't really talking about people so you cannot assume anything about people other than farmers.

U r right all choices other than "A" are out of scope. Hence "A".

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21 Feb 2005, 11:20
A for me.

In the qtn stem the author says that all poor farmers are honest and then goes ahead and says therefore all dishonest farmers are rich. This would be true only if all honest farmers were poor. And becoz it is already mentioned that all poor farmers are honest.

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22 Feb 2005, 09:11
This one should not cost you 6 minutes. The type of reasoning is this:

A->B doesn't mean B->A.
But A->B does mean non B-> non A. eg. If all birds are white, this one is not white, that means this one must not be a bird.
Same with our question. If all rich farmers are liers, it must mean all the non liers (honest people) cannot be a rich farmer.

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23 Feb 2005, 06:41
HongHu wrote:
This one should not cost you 6 minutes. The type of reasoning is this:

A->B doesn't mean B->A.
But A->B does mean non B-> non A. eg. If all birds are white, this one is not white, that means this one must not be a bird.
Same with our question. If all rich farmers are liers, it must mean all the non liers (honest people) cannot be a rich farmer.

unparalleled example...
Thanks HongHu..

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23 Feb 2005, 09:52
jpv wrote:
HongHu wrote:
This one should not cost you 6 minutes. The type of reasoning is this:

A->B doesn't mean B->A.
But A->B does mean non B-> non A. eg. If all birds are white, this one is not white, that means this one must not be a bird.
Same with our question. If all rich farmers are liers, it must mean all the non liers (honest people) cannot be a rich farmer.

unparalleled example...
Thanks HongHu..

For more help on this kind of question and how to answer it HonHu style, please see http://www.novapress.net/gmat/strategies.html

Real good CR stuff there.

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23 Feb 2005, 16:00
Arsene_Wenger wrote:
jpv wrote:
HongHu wrote:
This one should not cost you 6 minutes. The type of reasoning is this:

A->B doesn't mean B->A.
But A->B does mean non B-> non A. eg. If all birds are white, this one is not white, that means this one must not be a bird.
Same with our question. If all rich farmers are liers, it must mean all the non liers (honest people) cannot be a rich farmer.

unparalleled example...
Thanks HongHu..

For more help on this kind of question and how to answer it HonHu style, please see http://www.novapress.net/gmat/strategies.html

Real good CR stuff there.

that was nice stuff.. cheers buddy...

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23 Feb 2005, 18:32
Poor famer:
P In this world you are either rich or poor
P You are either honest or dishonest
P All poor farmers are honest
C Therefore all rich famers are dishonest

We need something to make the conclusion work. I'll take out (C), (D) because it uses 'everyone'. The passage is limited to only farmer, not everyone.
(E) says every poor person, not every poor farmer. So I'll take out (E) as well.
Same thing with (B). It says every honest person.

So (A) is the most logical. It reverses the cause and effect statement in the arguement and say that the conclusion works both ways.

I'll pick (A). Didn't take me 6 minutes though.

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23 Feb 2005, 18:32
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