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# A poor farmer was fond of telling his children: In this

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23. A poor farmer was fond of telling his children: â€œIn this world, you are either rich or poor, and you are either honest or dishonest. All poor farmers are honest. Therefore, all rich farmers are dishonest.â€
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01 Jun 2005, 20:28
A

if you are a poor farmer then you are honest

to conclude "if you are rich farmer then you are dishonest" , we need

if you are honest then you are a poor => A
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01 Jun 2005, 21:27
Vithal wrote:
A

if you are a poor farmer then you are honest

to conclude "if you are rich farmer then you are dishonest" , we need

if you are honest then you are a poor => A

How do you dispute C??
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01 Jun 2005, 21:33
gmat2me2 wrote:
Vithal wrote:
A

if you are a poor farmer then you are honest

to conclude "if you are rich farmer then you are dishonest" , we need

if you are honest then you are a poor => A

How do you dispute C??

if everyone who is dishonest is rich, it would not mean that everyone who is rich is dishonest. Hence C can be eliminated
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01 Jun 2005, 22:41
This world --> rich or poor, honest or dishonest
All poor farmer --> honest

Conclusion:
All rich farmer --> dishonest
Not dishonest --> Not rich farmer = Honest --> Poor Famer

(A) has the relationship above. Honest Farmer --> Poor
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Re: CR: Poor, rich, honest, dishonest [#permalink]

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02 Jun 2005, 07:55
[quote="WinWinMBA"]23. A poor farmer was fond of telling his children: â€œIn this world, you are either rich or poor, and you are either honest or dishonest. All poor farmers are honest. Therefore, all rich farmers are dishonest.â€
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02 Jun 2005, 16:21
[quote="Supercat"][quote="WinWinMBA"]23. A poor farmer was fond of telling his children: â€œIn this world, you are either rich or poor, and you are either honest or dishonest. All poor farmers are honest. Therefore, all rich farmers are dishonest.â€
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02 Jun 2005, 19:24
gmat2me2 wrote:
Vithal wrote:
A

if you are a poor farmer then you are honest

to conclude "if you are rich farmer then you are dishonest" , we need

if you are honest then you are a poor => A

How do you dispute C??

C) everyone who is dishonest is a rich farmer

C does not not excludes the possibility that honest is not rich

While "A" says every honest is poor so disnonest might be poor but one thing is sure that no honest is rich so it leads to no rich is honest ..

So answer is "A"
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02 Jun 2005, 20:03
[quote="WinWinMBA"]23. A poor farmer was fond of telling his children: â€œIn this world, you are either rich or poor, and you are either honest or dishonest. All poor farmers are honest. Therefore, all rich farmers are dishonest.â€
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03 Jun 2005, 00:55
my solution...
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03 Jun 2005, 01:53
how to refute C) ?
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03 Jun 2005, 06:49
A definite A

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03 Jun 2005, 16:15
Awesome discussions ! The OA is indeed A.
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03 Jun 2005, 17:16
christoph wrote:
how to refute C) ?

Well you did refute C

Thanks for your effort and time
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03 Jun 2005, 20:48
christoph wrote:
how to refute C) ?

There's a little problem in the diagram. Everything outside the Honest Circle is Dishonest ie the whole square minus the Hones circle.

So the extra circle for dishonest within rich farmers should not have been there.

Also the area outside the poor is all rich. So there should be no circle for rich farmer also.

The correct diagram should have been like this one below

Then to answer the question where all Rich farmers are dishonest a new diagram must be drawn.

This new diagram leads to ans A
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03 Jun 2005, 21:19
A indicates that every honest farmer is poor
in refution of c, 'everyone' can be implied as any field of career
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03 Jun 2005, 22:38
It's not that zin_yau. C says "everyone who is dishonest is a rich farmer", but it is possible that "everyone who is dishonest AND some people who are honest can be a rich farmer". In other words, C will not lead to the conclusion "all rich farmers are dishonest".
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