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A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses to discourage poachers; the question is whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are trimmed.

A. whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are
B. whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one once their horns are
C. whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses once the animals' horns have been
D. if tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses once the animals' horns are
E. if tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one after the animals' horns have been

Can someone move this to the verbal section ? I posted here by mistake
[Reveal] Spoiler: OA

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10 Jul 2005, 14:30
ashkg wrote:
21. A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses to discourage poachers; the question is whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are trimmed.
(A) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are
(B) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one once their horns are
(C) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses once the animalsâ€™ horns have been
(D) if tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses once the animalsâ€™ horns are
(E) if tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one after the animalsâ€™ horns have been

Can someone move this to the verbal section ? I posted here by mistake

C.

D and E out we need 'whether' here since there is a possibility of an alternative
A is out since we need to say 'to visit to see' and not 'to visit and to see'
see logic here? actions are connected
B is out one <> their, also one is ambiguous

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10 Jul 2005, 15:50
sparky wrote:
ashkg wrote:
21. A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses to discourage poachers; the question is whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are trimmed.
(A) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are
(B) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one once their horns are
(C) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses once the animalsâ€™ horns have been
(D) if tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses once the animalsâ€™ horns are
(E) if tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one after the animalsâ€™ horns have been

Can someone move this to the verbal section ? I posted here by mistake

C.

D and E out we need 'whether' here since there is a possibility of an alternative
A is out since we need to say 'to visit to see' and not 'to visit and to see'
see logic here? actions are connected
B is out one <> their, also one is ambiguous

thanks sparky,

all,
here's my next question.

Assume option A was as below, then would it have been correct ?

(A) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses after their horns are

what's wrong with the above ?
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10 Jul 2005, 16:20
ashkg wrote:
sparky wrote:
ashkg wrote:
21. A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses to discourage poachers; the question is whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are trimmed.
(A) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are
(B) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one once their horns are
(C) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses once the animalsâ€™ horns have been
(D) if tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses once the animalsâ€™ horns are
(E) if tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one after the animalsâ€™ horns have been

Can someone move this to the verbal section ? I posted here by mistake

C.

D and E out we need 'whether' here since there is a possibility of an alternative
A is out since we need to say 'to visit to see' and not 'to visit and to see'
see logic here? actions are connected
B is out one <> their, also one is ambiguous

thanks sparky,

all,
here's my next question.

Assume option A was as below, then would it have been correct ?

(A) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses after their horns are

what's wrong with the above ?

a possibility of tourists with freshly trimmed horns going to the park to see rhinos ...

funny, i accidently posted this answer in your post, ash. Since i was added to mod list i got this edit button next to the quote button, sorry, fixed now

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10 Jul 2005, 16:26
Quote:
a possibility of tourists with freshly trimmed horns going to the park to see rhinos ...

funny, i accidently posted this answer in your post, ash. Since i was added to mod list i got this edit button next to the quote button, sorry, fixed now

I felt that tourists can't have horns, so "their" is an unambiguous reference to rhinos.

Do you agree ?
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10 Jul 2005, 16:33
ashkg wrote:
Quote:
a possibility of tourists with freshly trimmed horns going to the park to see rhinos ...

funny, i accidently posted this answer in your post, ash. Since i was added to mod list i got this edit button next to the quote button, sorry, fixed now

I felt that tourists can't have horns, so "their" is an unambiguous reference to rhinos.

Do you agree ?

technically yes, but the trick is that on the first occasional read the sentence must sound unambigous. when i read your A choice i had an impression that those may be tourists who have horns. Of course after you think about the sentence it's clear what is what but think about OG and how many questions it has in which you do understand the logic in the original sentence but still need to correct lots of stuff to make it sound right.

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10 Jul 2005, 16:59
A majority of the international journalists surveyed view nuclear power stations as unsafe at present but that they will, or could, be made sufficiently safe in the future.
(A) that they will, or could,
(B) that they would, or could,
(C) they will be or could
(D) think that they will be or could
(E) think the power stations would or could

I'm pasting one of the older much discussed SC's. In the above , Answer is D and many agree that "they" is an unambiguous reference to nuclear plants just because "journalists" can't be made safe in the future.

So I'm considering it safe to use a similar logic in SC's to eliminiate ambiguity wrt pronoun reference

Let me know if you have any more suggestions/concepts clearing my confusion.
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10 Jul 2005, 17:08
ashkg wrote:
A majority of the international journalists surveyed view nuclear power stations as unsafe at present but that they will, or could, be made sufficiently safe in the future.
(A) that they will, or could,
(B) that they would, or could,
(C) they will be or could
(D) think that they will be or could
(E) think the power stations would or could

I'm pasting one of the older much discussed SC's. In the above ,Answer is D and many agree that "they" is an unambiguous reference to nuclear plants just because "journalists" can't be made safe in the future.

So I'm considering it safe to use a similar logic in SC's to eliminiate ambiguity wrt pronoun reference

Let me know if you have any more suggestions/concepts clearing my confusion.

A,B, and E are out because they grammatically incorrect, be is missing after would or could

C and D aren't perfect at all

but i'd go with D because power plants can't 'think'

ash, i kind of agree SC can be contradicting at times but people who write those questions aren't perfect either.

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10 Jul 2005, 17:35
ashkg wrote:
A majority of the international journalists surveyed view nuclear power stations as unsafe at present but that they will, or could, be made sufficiently safe in the future.
(A) that they will, or could,
(B) that they would, or could,
(C) they will be or could
(D) think that they will be or could
(E) think the power stations would or could

a nice discussion was here: http://www.gmatclub.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... ernational

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10 Jul 2005, 17:37
agree with C, a most unambigious one.

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A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses to discourage poachers; the question is whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are trimmed.
(A) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are
(B) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one once their horns are
(C) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses once the animalsâ€™ horns have been
(D) if tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses once the animalsâ€™ horns are
(E) if tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one after the animalsâ€™ horns have been

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10 Jul 2005, 19:43
akash, Are you starting a new thread?

Anyway, my choice would be C

D and E are out because of If
A lost ground by using 2 clauses and seperated the main heart of the question.
B, plain weird, one, their, after.... This choice can not make up its mind.

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11 Jul 2005, 09:39
Hello ashkg,

You have asked two different questions.

The answer for the first question is C, because, it is the only choice, which does not have an illogical modifier.

With respect to your second question, there is no ambiguity as the word "they" clearly refers to the subject discussed here - "the nuclear power stations".

The Princeton Verbal Review, strongly suggests not to choose an answer choice with "they", but other choices are grammatically wrong.

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01 Jan 2011, 09:23
(C)

A. whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are
B. whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one once their horns are
C. whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses once the animals horns have been --> RIGHT
D. if tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses once the animals horns are
E. if tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one after the animals horns have been
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27 Feb 2013, 09:04
Hi,

I have question to one of the official guide explanations given in the OG. In answer choice D it is stated that "are" should be "have
been". Also in the general explanation it is said that "The verb following after should be the present-perfect have been trimmed to reflect
that the trimming must occur before the tourists arrive."

1) Why can't it be "are", since the sequence is already shown by the word after?
2) Would be the usage of "were" as simple past ok?
3) Why does this need to be present perfect?

If somebody could please explain this a bit further?

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06 Dec 2015, 01:28
Can any one explain in option C - whether usage of 'Have been' is right?

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08 Dec 2015, 07:54
Can someone please explain, how come "their" is ambiguous in option B ?

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13 Dec 2015, 08:35
The pronoun "their" is immediately preceded by two nouns tourists and rhinoceroses respectively. Hence "their" can refer to either of the two, creating ambiguity.
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16 Jul 2016, 14:10
The answer is C, corrected pronoun refrence error of ''their" used in original sentence and also have been correctly indicate the use of present perfect continuous to talk about a finished activity in the recent past.
ashkg wrote:
A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses to discourage poachers; the question is whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are trimmed.

A. whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are
B. whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one once their horns are
C. whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses once the animals' horns have been
D. if tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses once the animals' horns are
E. if tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one after the animals' horns have been

Can someone move this to the verbal section ? I posted here by mistake

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