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For Marcab:
"That" modifies "system," but what do we know about the system? It's "an especially efficient solar heating and cooling system." We don't want to treat individual parts of the sentence as if the rest isn't there.

Here's another example:

"My daughter has a fluffy toy lion that often sits at breakfast with us."

Am I saying that a lion really sits at breakfast with us? Well, yes, a toy lion. I wouldn't want to isolate the portion from "lion" on and ignore the preceding modifiers. Whether we say "that often sits . . . " modifies only "lion" or the whole noun phrase, the meaning is the same. The lion sits with us, but it is a fluffy toy.

In some cases, when we have a noun phrase, we are clearly modifying an earlier noun in the phrase. For instance, I might say "The King of Sweden, who is vacationing in Morocco, has a bad sunburn." Clearly it is the king, not Sweden, who is vacationing. This is correct usage. The "preceding noun" in this case is the noun phrase "The King of Sweden." In other cases, I might need to interpret flexibly depending on meaning:

On the table there was a basket of chips that were cold and stale. (The chips were cold and stale.)
On the table there was a basket of chips that looked like it had been sitting there for a month. (The basket of chips had been sitting there.)

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A row of upright fan-shaped plates running down the spine provided the Stegosaurus dinosaur with an especially efficient solar heating and cooling system to allow them to move comfortably through different climatic regions.

A)to allow them to move comfortably
B)to allow it a comfortable movement
C)that allowed it to move comfortably
D)that allowed their comfortable movement
E)Allowing them to move comfortably


not easy to see B and C

B means "plates" allow it something
C means "system " allow it to do something.

the subject of "allow" is quite different between B and C. we can not eliminate B , using grammar rule and logicness to consider B when B is alone. we can only eliminate B when we see both B and C. it is clear that the intended meaning is in C.

the situation "can not eliminate B, using grammar rule and logic" is popular on gmat sc. we can call this situation "realize the intended meaning"

am I correct?
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hfbamafan wrote:
A row of upright fan-shaped plates running down the spine provided the Stegosaurus dinosaur with an especially efficient solar heating and cooling system to allow them to move comfortably through different climatic regions.

A)to allow them to move comfortably
B)to allow it a comfortable movement
C)that allowed it to move comfortably
D)that allowed their comfortable movement
E)Allowing them to move comfortably


not easy to see B and C

B means "plates" allow it something
C means "system " allow it to do something.

the subject of "allow" is quite different between B and C. we can not eliminate B , using grammar rule and logicness to consider B when B is alone. we can only eliminate B when we see both B and C. it is clear that the intended meaning is in C.

the situation "can not eliminate B, using grammar rule and logic" is popular on gmat sc. we can call this situation "realize the intended meaning"

am I correct?



Hi vietmoi999,

I think you have made an error in determining the subject verb pairs in the given sentence. However I agree completely with you that sometimes grammar cannot eliminate all the options, we have to go for the intended meaning of the sentence. Let's try to understand the meaning conveyed by this sentence and options B and C.

A row of upright fan-shaped plates running down the spine provided the Stegosaurus dinosaur
o with an especially efficient solar heating and cooling system
• to allow them to move comfortably through different climatic regions.


MEANING

• So, this sentence tell us that a row of some specific plates (these plates ran down the spine) provided the Stegosaurus dinosaur with a certain system.
o This system was an efficient solar heating and cooling system.
• To allow the dinosaur to move comfortably through different climate regions.

B.) to allow it a comfortable movement

This means that the purpose of the system was to allow the dinosaur a comfortable movement.

C.) that allowed it to move comfortably

This means that the system allowed the dinosaur to move comfortably.



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B is wrong because "a comfortable movement" doesn't really make sense. The dinosaur moved, but it didn't "have a movement."


So would this option be more preferable if the statement was to allow it to move comfortably? I got the answer correct. But I am not very sure why "that" is required. It sounds better, but if someone could help me with the logic, would appreciate it! :)
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B is wrong because "a comfortable movement" doesn't really make sense. The dinosaur moved, but it didn't "have a movement."


Also "allow to" states a decision taken with a purpose. The fans didn't take that decision

I allow you to walk outside

Somebody has to explicitly take the decision when you use allow to
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For Sachin:

Using the correct pronoun ("it" instead of "they") would definitely improve E, but we'd need a comma before "allowing." Without a comma, the last part (from "an especially" to the end of the sentence) becomes one enormous noun phrase, making the sentence very hard to read. Adding the comma turns the underlined portion into an adverbial modifier that modifies the previous clause. That doesn't quite match C, in which we are modifying the noun ("system"), but it would work.

The construction you used ("Had E had 'it'"), but I associate it with formal/older British English. I would say "If E had had 'it'" or "If E had said 'it.'" (Note that the first "had" indicates past perfect, and the second is just the ordinary past tense verb "had." I can say "I had said," "I had taken," "I had run," etc., so I can also say "I had had.")


DmitryFarber Can you please elaborate on the answers split to... and that? I know by meaning that the correct answer choice should be "A row...provided X with Y THAT (not to)..." but I can't properly explain the structure issues here. Help! Many tks!
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The usage of " that" is flexible. It can modify the word preceding it or noun phrase(s) preceding it and we use it unless there is strong reason why the nearest word is not appropriate to modify. Here the complete system "an especially efficient solar heating and cooling system" has to be modified and not just cooling system which is nearest word.

To+verb infinitives always convey "intention". In this case,take it as cause and effect scenario. The system is present not to allow the dinosaur to move comfortably but the dinosaur moves comfortably due to the system.
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choice B
to allow show a future action, a purpose which is not happening
choice C
that allow shows a present action which is happing

meaning in choice C is better

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A row of upright fan-shaped plates running down the spine provided the Stegosaurus dinosaur with an especially efficient solar heating and cooling system to allow them to move comfortably through different climatic regions.

A)to allow them to move comfortably
B)to allow it a comfortable movement
C)that allowed it to move comfortably
D)that allowed their comfortable movement
E)Allowing them to move comfortably

In C and D the relative pronoun 'that' is supposed to modify both the heating and cooling systems and not just the cooling system. Mark the words 'different climatic regions' in the non-underlined portion. It is an integral, two - in - one system that heats in the cold climate and cools in the hot season. That is how the animal was able to move comfortably in different climates.


we may refer to an OG question regarding the relative pronoun modification.

Quote:
Published in Harlem, the owner and editor of the Messenger were two young journalists, Chandler Owen and A. Philip Randolph, who would later make his reputation as a labor leader.

(A) Published in Harlem, the owner and editor of the Messenger were two young journalists, Chandler Owen and A. Philip Randolph, who would later make his reputation as a labor leader.

(B) Published in Harlem, two young journalists, Chandler Owen and A. Philip Randolph, who would later make his reputation as a labor leader, were the owner and editor of the Messenger.

(C) Published in Harlem, the Messenger was owned and edited by two young journalists, A. Philip Randolph, who would later make his reputation as a labor leader, and Chandler Owen.

(D) The Messenger was owned and edited by two young journalists, Chandler Owen and A. Philip Randolph, who would later make his reputation as a labor leader, and published in Harlem.

(E) The owner and editor being two young journalists, Chandler Owen and A. Philip Randolph, who would later make his reputation as a labor leader, the Messenger was published in Harlem.

The correct answer choice is C, in which the order of the nouns is reversed from the original to suit Randolph who only became a labor leader.
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