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I have a very silly question,but felt to get it clear. In the above sentence "A ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church" I thought found was acting as verb and therefore felt that there were 2 verbs 'found' , 'was' for 1 subject ruined structure. Please help me in understanding why found is not verb here


I hope this example clarifies your doubt.

I found a pen near my class. - found acting as a verb.
The ruins found near gaziabad, India, are dated at 2000 year old. - found near gaziabad is modifying The ruins - giving extra information about the subject "ruins" so it is not a verb.
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Can a sentence start with "That" ?

I thought option A was better in the lot, even when it had awkward structure for "as indicated in
its eastward orientation "
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Can a sentence start with "That" ?

I thought option A was better in the lot, even when it had awkward structure for "as indicated in
its eastward orientation "


Hi,
I think it can start with " That " . When it is acting as a linking word. Just as , Because, although etc.
Do correct me if i were wrong . :)
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Now I know why this question is difficult for a few, I never thought a sentence could start with "that" till now. "That" in this sentence must be a linking word and the given sentence can be a dependent clause.

Correct me If I am wrong. Thanks :)
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A ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church as indicated in its eastward orientation and by its overall plan, as well as artifacts, such as glass-oil lamp fragments, found at the site

(A) A ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church,as indicated in its eastward orientation and by its overall plan, as well as - "in its" and "by its" are not parallel
(B) A ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, once probably being a church, was indicated by its eastward orientation, overall plan, and - "once probably being a church" need I say more
(C) Indicating that a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church were its eastward orientation and overall plan, but also the - "were" cannot be used for singular "ruined structure"
(D) A ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church, as indicates its eastward orientation and overall plan, as well as the - "indicates" is in present, whereas "found" is in past.. we need "indicated" here
(E) That a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church is indicated by its eastward orientation and overall plan, as well as by the - BEST of the lot (still awkward, certainly a post GMAT person - an MBA grad or a phd will not/must not speak in such an unclear, not-simple and awkward manner.. but cést la vie)
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The prepositional parallelism should be maintained in all the arms of a list.

(A) A ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church, as indicated in its eastward orientation and by its overall plan, as well as --- The correct parallelism is 'by its eastward orientation, by its overall plan as well as by artifacts' – wrong

(B) A ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, once probably being a probably a church, was indicated by its eastward orientation, overall plan, and --- meaning totally changed; the structure was not indicated; that the structure was a church was indicated by several factors. Wrong

(C) Indicating that a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church were its eastward orientation and overall plan, but also the--- If we intend to use ‘but also', then we must also have used ‘not only’ prior to it.

(D) A ruined structure found at Aqaba,Jordan,was, was probably a church, ‘as indicates’ its eastward orientation and overall plan, as well as the --- ‘as indicates’; we must either say ‘as indicated by ’ or simply say ‘as it indicates’ – Per se, this is a fragment

(E)That a ruined structure found at Aqaba,Jordan,was probably a church is indicated by its eastward orientation and overall plan, as well as by the --- The best of the constructions


daagh Sir,

Here goes the link of an official gmatprep question,which has used the but also construction without using a "not only".So my question is.if the construction X, but also Y is right according to GMAC,then is option C right??

https://gmatclub.com/forum/not-only-did ... 81150.html

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IMO choice E does not have an independent clause. Not able to understand the construction.

That .... as well as .....

This is a dependent clause. Am i missing something here ?
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IMO choice E does not have an independent clause. Not able to understand the construction.

That .... as well as .....

This is a dependent clause. Am i missing something here ?

Hi anilkumar1510, actually this is a case where a clause is acting as the subject of the sentence. The subject (clause) is:

That a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church

The one important thing to note vis-a-vis this structure is that in such cases, the subject is always considered singular (and hence, the main verb of this sentence is singular is).

The structure of this sentence is:

<Subject clause> is indicated by X as well as by Y.

Where:

X: its eastward orientation and overall plan

Y: the artifacts, such as glass-oil lamp fragments, found at the site

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That some fraternal twins resemble each other greatly while others look quite dissimilar highlights an interesting and often overlooked feature of fraternal-twin pairs, namely that they vary considerably on a spectrum of genetic relatedness.

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C. The systematic clearing of forests in the United States, creating farmland (especially in the Northeast) and giving consumers relatively inexpensive houses and furniture, but
The choice C as above is a downright fragment and is wrong. Can you Pl give me a correct choice, where 'but also' is used without 'not only'
On the contrary, take the next choice D. It also doesn't use 'not only'; it is still the OA. However, the structure of 'but also' is changed to 'but it also'.
Coming to the text:
Indicating that a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church were its eastward orientation and overall plan, but also the
If you flip the sentence as per SVO format, the following emerges.
Its eastward orientation and overall plan were indicating that a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan was probably a church, but also the artifacts, such as glass oil lamp fragments, found at the site
The second part here is a fragment without a verb of its own and is not a modifier either since it is connected by fanboys to the other clause.
Perhaps one can now appreciate the validity of the correlative conjunctions appearing in pairs.
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anilkumar1510 wrote:
IMO choice E does not have an independent clause. Not able to understand the construction.

That .... as well as .....

This is a dependent clause. Am i missing something here ?

Hi anilkumar1510, actually this is a case where a clause is acting as the subject of the sentence. The subject (clause) is:

That a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church

The one important thing to note vis-a-vis this structure is that in such cases, the subject is always considered singular (and hence, the main verb of this sentence is singular is).

The structure of this sentence is:

<Subject clause> is indicated by X as well as by Y.

Where:

X: its eastward orientation and overall plan

Y: the artifacts, such as glass-oil lamp fragments, found at the site

Another similar official example:

That some fraternal twins resemble each other greatly while others look quite dissimilar highlights an interesting and often overlooked feature of fraternal-twin pairs, namely that they vary considerably on a spectrum of genetic relatedness.

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But what noun does it refer to?
The only noun in the sentence is "That a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church".
This cant be the antecedent in the sentence.

Could you kindly explain this to me.
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anilkumar1510 wrote:
IMO choice E does not have an independent clause. Not able to understand the construction.

That .... as well as .....

This is a dependent clause. Am i missing something here ?

Hi anilkumar1510, actually this is a case where a clause is acting as the subject of the sentence. The subject (clause) is:

That a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church

The one important thing to note vis-a-vis this structure is that in such cases, the subject is always considered singular (and hence, the main verb of this sentence is singular is).

The structure of this sentence is:

<Subject clause> is indicated by X as well as by Y.

Where:

X: its eastward orientation and overall plan

Y: the artifacts, such as glass-oil lamp fragments, found at the site

Another similar official example:

That some fraternal twins resemble each other greatly while others look quite dissimilar highlights an interesting and often overlooked feature of fraternal-twin pairs, namely that they vary considerably on a spectrum of genetic relatedness.

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But what noun does it refer to?
The only noun in the sentence is "That a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church".
This cant be the antecedent in the sentence.

Could you kindly explain this to me.
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I am not sure whether you have doubt about the pronoun "it" or the pronoun "that"? "It" has no issues, since it clearly refers to "a ruined structure". ("That a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church" is not a noun, but a subordinate clause.)

If your query is about the pronoun "that", then following is the explanation:

"That" does not necessarily refer to a noun - it may as well be used to introduce a clause. Compare with the following:

I know that I cannot solve difficult problems.

Here "that" introduces the clause "I cannot solve difficult problems". (The "that"-clause is the object of the verb "know")

Similarly in option E, "that" introduces the clause "a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church". This "that"-clause is the subject of the verb "is indicated".
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That a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church" is indicated by its eastward orientation and overall plan," is a substantive phrase acting as the noun for the entire clause with ' is indicated' as the verb. More about such structures in the following links.
1. https://www.merriam- webster.com/dictionary/substantive
2. http://www.english-for-students.com/sub ... auses.html
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That a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church" is indicated by its eastward orientation and overall plan," is a substantive phrase acting as the noun for the entire clause with ' is indicated' as the verb. More about such structures in the following links.
1. https://www.merriam- webster.com/dictionary/substantive
2. http://www.english-for-students.com/sub ... auses.html


Dear daagh Sir, you meant "substantial clause", not "substantial phrase", isn't it? "That a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church" is a clause.
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Yes, it is, in fact, a subordinate clause because you see that there is a verb 'was' in that clause a. All the same, a clause also can be a part of the substantive that acts as an individual noun in such structure.
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Dear experts sayantanc2k and/or GMATNinja

(1) Most choices contain "its", could you point out what are their antecedents or potential antecedents for each?

(2) Also, I read in another forum that choice (A) has a verbless clause, and the implied subject of the verbless "as"-clause seems to be "a church" (the nearest preceding noun), with the result that church must also serve as the referent for "its". Is this also true for choice (D)?

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Thank you for the video I had seen it before, but the instructor didn't go through the pronoun antecedents (except for B).
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A ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church, as indicated in its eastward orientation and by its overall plan, as well as artifacts, such as glass oil-lamp fragments, found at the site.

(A) A ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church, as indicated in its eastward orientation and by its overall plan, as well as

(B) A ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, once probably being a church, was indicated by its eastward orientation, overall plan, and

(C) Indicating that a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church were its eastward orientation and overall plan, but also the

(D) A ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church, as indicates its eastward orientation and overall plan, as well as the

(E) That a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church is indicated by its eastward orientation and overall plan, as well as by the


why a is wrong
indicated modify subject of main clause
A is
structure was a church as structure is indicated. no logic


Hi,

lets see why A is wrong and E is the correct choice..

A ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church, as indicated in its eastward orientation and by its overall plan, as well as artifacts, such as glass oil-lamp fragments, found at the site....

1) indicated in" is not the correct usage indicated by.. is correct..
indicated in would be better used in a sentence like..
the route was indicated on the paper..
the war was imminent as per the news indicated in various newspaper..

2) 'by the ' is missing before the artifacts, so there is a parallelism issue...
if I remove other parallel issues, it would read..
]A ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church, as indicatedin its eastward orientation and by its overall plan, as well asartifacts, such as glass oil-lamp fragments, found at the site...
as indicated artifacts, such as,... does not make sense..


Hi Chetan2u,
The only issue I have with option e is the use of article the, with such as.
Example- I love books,such as Harry Potter and the Great Gatsby.
But the below construction is wrong- I love the books such as Harry Potter and the Great Gatsby.
So, in OA-E, That a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church is indicated by its eastward orientation and overall plan, as well as by the artifacts, such as glass-oil lamp fragments, found at the site.

How can the and such as go together? Kindly help.

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anilkumar1510 wrote:
IMO choice E does not have an independent clause. Not able to understand the construction.

That .... as well as .....

This is a dependent clause. Am i missing something here ?

Hi anilkumar1510, actually this is a case where a clause is acting as the subject of the sentence. The subject (clause) is:

That a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church

The one important thing to note vis-a-vis this structure is that in such cases, the subject is always considered singular (and hence, the main verb of this sentence is singular is).

The structure of this sentence is:

<Subject clause> is indicated by X as well as by Y.

Where:

X: its eastward orientation and overall plan

Y: the artifacts, such as glass-oil lamp fragments, found at the site

Another similar official example:

That some fraternal twins resemble each other greatly while others look quite dissimilar highlights an interesting and often overlooked feature of fraternal-twin pairs, namely that they vary considerably on a spectrum of genetic relatedness.

p.s. Our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana discusses Noun Clause, its application and examples. If someone is interested, PM me your email-id; I can mail the corresponding section


Hi EducationAisle,
In OA E, how can the article- 'the' and such as go together.
Example- I love places, such as Denmark and Nepal.
I love the places, such as Denmark and Nepal.--> This is wrong. We cant use the with such as

In OA E- That a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church is indicated by its eastward orientation and overall plan, as well as by the artifacts, such as glass-oil lamp fragments.My questions i how come the artifacts go in line with such as?
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Hi EducationAisle,
In OA E, how can the article- 'the' and such as go together.
Example- I love places, such as Denmark and Nepal.
I love the places, such as Denmark and Nepal.--> This is wrong. We cant use the with such as

In OA E- That a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church is indicated by its eastward orientation and overall plan, as well as by the artifacts, such as glass-oil lamp fragments.My questions i how come the artifacts go in line with such as?

Hi sunny91, the sentence under consideration isn't the same as:

I love the places, such as Denmark and Nepal.

It is similar to:

I love the mountainous places, such as Denmark and Nepal, that offer a serene environment.

Basically the difference here is the presence of a comma before such as and a subsequent modifier, making the entire such as... phrase non-essential. So, the core of the sentence would be:

I love the mountainous places that offer a serene environment.

Am sure you would be fine with the above sentence using a the.

Having said that, GMAT doesn't really test you on articles, so an article would not be something I would focus on, to eliminate/choose an option.
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