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A school administrator will assign each student in a group of n students to one of m classrooms. If 3 < m < 13 < n, is it possible to assign each of the n students to one of the m classrooms so that each classroom has the same number of students assigned to it? (1) It is possible to assign each of 3n students to one of m classrooms so that each classroom has the same number of students assigned to it. (2) It is possible to assign each of 13n students to one of m classrooms so that each classroom has the same number of students assigned to it.

If each of the 13n students are assign to one of the m classes => 13n and m have HCF greater than 1. => since m <13 and it has hcf>1 with 13n, n and m also have hcf >1. Thus statement 2 is sufficient.

If you apply the same with statement 1, 3n and m have hfc >1. But it is possible that n and m does not have hcf>1 as m could be 3,6,9. Thus not sufficient.

Answer:B

Eg of statement 1: Suppose you have 30 students, you can distribute them in m classes only if 30 and m have hcf>1. 30 = 2*3*5. If m does not have any common factor how can you distribute? Say m = 7. 30 can not be distributed in 7 classes.

Eg of statement 2: say 13n = 13*10 =130 are distributed among m classes and since m<13 => for 13n students to be distributed in m classes, m must be multiple of 5.

Since n and m both have a common factor 5, n students can be distributed among m classes.
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Mathematically speaking, the question is: is n divisible by m !!

(1) 3n is divisible by m. It doesn't say if n is divisible by m because 3 < m < 13. Indeed, n can be equal to 14 and m = 6. In that case m does neither divide 3 nor n. But with m = 6 and n = 18, m divides n. INSUFFICIENT

(2) 13n is divisible by n. But 13 is a prime number that m can't divide! Besides 3 < m < 13 so it can't be a combination of 13 and n (like 13* 2) that can be divided by 13.

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amitjash wrote:

A school administrator will assign each student in a group of n students to one of m classrooms. If 3 < m < 13 < n, is it possible to assign each of the n students to one of the m classrooms so that each classroom has the same number of students assigned to it? (1) It is possible to assign each of 3n students to one of m classrooms so that each classroom has the same number of students assigned to it. (2) It is possible to assign each of 13n students to one of m classrooms so that each classroom has the same number of students assigned to it.

I can rephrase the question as :

3<m<13<n. Does m divide n ? (1) m divides 3n (2) m divides 13n

(1) : Not sufficient. Eg. m=6, n=14 m does not divide n. But m=6, n=18 m divides n. But each case m divides 3n. So clearly not sufficient

(2) : Since m<13 and 13 is prime. m cannot divide 13, hence m must divide n. So sufficient

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amitjash wrote:

A school administrator will assign each student in a group of n students to one of m classrooms. If 3 < m < 13 < n, is it possible to assign each of the n students to one of the m classrooms so that each classroom has the same number of students assigned to it? (1) It is possible to assign each of 3n students to one of m classrooms so that each classroom has the same number of students assigned to it. (2) It is possible to assign each of 13n students to one of m classrooms so that each classroom has the same number of students assigned to it.

Please help me understand what is wrong in this approach. I just used number. chice 2: Let n=14..Hence 13X14=182. Now choosing m between 3 < m < 13 < n. Say m=7. Then 182 is divisible by 7. But when m=5 it is not divisible. So (2) is not sufficient. Some one please explain what is wrong in choosing numbers to solve this and where I am missing something.
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vigneshpandi wrote:

amitjash wrote:

A school administrator will assign each student in a group of n students to one of m classrooms. If 3 < m < 13 < n, is it possible to assign each of the n students to one of the m classrooms so that each classroom has the same number of students assigned to it? (1) It is possible to assign each of 3n students to one of m classrooms so that each classroom has the same number of students assigned to it. (2) It is possible to assign each of 13n students to one of m classrooms so that each classroom has the same number of students assigned to it.

Please help me understand what is wrong in this approach. I just used number. chice 2: Let n=14..Hence 13X14=182. Now choosing m between 3 < m < 13 < n. Say m=7. Then 182 is divisible by 7. But when m=5 it is not divisible. So (2) is not sufficient. Some one please explain what is wrong in choosing numbers to solve this and where I am missing something.

In (2) it is given that m divides 13n. In your example, 7 does divide 13n, ie, 182. But 5 does not, so it is not a valid choice for m
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So n has to be multiple of m.. lets say n = km where k > 1

1) states that 3n = lm (where each room has l number of people). as 3 being a prime number, lm must be divisible by 3. so is l/3 = k (an integer). we don't know as in all scenario its possibel

- l,m are divisible by 3 >> here l/3 is an integer - only m is divisible by 3 - only l is divisible by 3 >> here l/3 is an integer so not sufficient

2)13n = lm..so lm must be divisible by 13, 13 being a prime number and as m < 13 , l/13 must be an integer. That means n = km where k = l/13 Hence sufficient. Answer should be B

I need some help with an official question. #128 in the DS section of the 12th ed. official guide:

A school administrator will assign each student in a group of n students to one of m classrooms. If 3 < m < 13 < n, is it possible to assign each of the n students to one of the m classrooms so that each classroom has the same number of students assigned to it?

(1) It is possible to assign each of 3n students to one of m classrooms so that each classroom has the same number of students assigned to it.

(2) It is possible to assign each of 13n students to one of m classrooms so that each classroom has the same number of students assigned to it.

Correct answer is B.

I understand why (1) is not sufficient however I can not grasp why (2) is sufficient. Can someone please explain?

I need some help with an official question. #128 in the DS section of the 12th ed. official guide:

A school administrator will assign each student in a group of n students to one of m classrooms. If 3 < m < 13 < n, is it possible to assign each of the n students to one of the m classrooms so that each classroom has the same number of students assigned to it?

(1) It is possible to assign each of 3n students to one of m classrooms so that each classroom has the same number of students assigned to it.

(2) It is possible to assign each of 13n students to one of m classrooms so that each classroom has the same number of students assigned to it.

Correct answer is B.

I understand why (1) is not sufficient however I can not grasp why (2) is sufficient. Can someone please explain?

Basically the question asks whether \(n\) (# of students) is a multiple of \(m\) (# of classrooms), or whether \(\frac{n}{m}=integer\), because if it is then we would be able to assign students to classrooms so that each classroom has the same number of students assigned to it.

Given: \(3<m<13<n\).

(1) It is possible to assign each of 3n students to one of m classrooms so that each classroom has the same number of students assigned to it --> \(\frac{3n}{m}=integer\), from this we can not say whether \(\frac{n}{m}=integer\). For example \(n\) indeed might be a multiple of \(m\) (\(n=14\) and \(m=7\)) but also it as well might not be (\(n=14\) and \(m=6\)). Not sufficient.

(2) It is possible to assign each of 13n students to one of m classrooms so that each classroom has the same number of students assigned to it --> \(\frac{13n}{m}=integer\), now as given that \(3<m<13\) then 13 (prime number) is not a multiple of \(m\), so \(\frac{13n}{m}\) to be an integer the \(n\) must be multiple of \(m\). Sufficient.

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A school administrator will assign each student in a group of n students to one of m classrooms. If 3 < m < 13 < n, is it possible to assign each of the n students to one of the m classrooms so that each classroom has the same number of students assigned to it?

(1) It is possible to assign each of 3n students to one of m classrooms so that each classroom has the same number of students assigned to it. (2) It is possible to assign each of 13n students to one of m classrooms so that each classroom has the same number of students assigned to it.

Took a long time in this ques. any efficient way to solve this.
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The Question is If N/M is an integer ?

(1) 3N/M is an integer Case 1 - N=15 M=3 it is clearly an integer when we substitute in above equ. Case 2 - N=14 M=6 Satisfy the statement 2 but doesn't work for above equ. Therefore Insuff.

(2) 13N/M= integer 13 is a prime number and since m is less than 13 therefore for this statement to hold true, N/M has to be integer. Hence Sufficient.

I hope that helps.
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128. A school administrator will assign each student in a group of n students to one of m classrooms. If 3 < m < 13 < n, is it possible to assign each of the n students to one of the m classrooms so that each classroom has the same number of students assigned to it?

(1) It is possible to assign each of 3n students to one of m classrooms so that each classroom has the same number of students assigned to it. (2) It is possible to assign each of 13n students to one of m classrooms so that each classroom has the same number of students assigned to it.
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128) A school administer will assign each student in a group of n students to one of m classrooms.If 3<m<13<n, is it possible to assign each of the n students to one of the m classrooms so that each classroom has the same number of students assigned to it?

1) It is possible to assign each of 3n students to one of m classrooms so that each classroom has the same number of students assigned to it.

2) Its is possible to assign each of 13n students to one of m classrooms so that each classroom has the same number of students assigned to it.
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