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THe lessons to learn here are
1) IDioms still matter and gmat prefers some over the other. In this example preoccupied with and curious about are two idioms that GMAT has given preference over the standard neither nor one.

2) In certain OG questions, GMAT has used not X nor Y structure. HEre it uses not X or Y. So meaning trumps structure and Idiom.

Here B is the correct answer as it correctly uses preoccupied with and curious about split.
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A study of children of divorced parents found that ten years after the parents' divorce, children who had been under six years of age at the time of the settlement were not preoccupied, nor very curious, about the reasons that led to their parents' divorce.

(A) not preoccupied, nor even very curious, about the reasons that led to their parents' divorce
(B) not preoccupied with, or even very curious about, the reasons for their parents' divorce
(C) neither preoccupied, nor even very curious, with the reasons that led to their parents divorce
(D) neither preoccupied with the reasons that led to their parents' divorces or even very curious about them
(E) neither preoccupied with the reasons that their parents divorced not even very curious about it


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https://www.nytimes.com/1984/04/10/science/major-study-assesses-the-children-of-divorce-by-sandra-blakeslee.html

Younger children, however, were not preoccupied, nor even very curious, with the reasons that led to their parents' divorce.


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Diction; Parallelism

The correct idioms are preoccupied with and curious about. In the sentence as it is written, because of the placement of the commas immediately after preoccupied and curious, the preposition about is associated not only with curious, which is idiomatically correct, but also with preoccupied, which is not correct.

Furthermore, not . . . nor is idiomatically incorrect. The correct forms are neither . . . nor and not . . . or.

A. As discussed above, this choice is flawed in its use of both preoccupied about and not . . . nor.

B. Correct. This choice is correct. Both preoccupied with and not . . . or are idiomatically correct.

C. This choice uses the incorrect construction curious with, rather than the correct curious about. On the other hand, its uses of neither . . . nor and preoccupied with are correct.

D. This choice uses the incorrect idiomatic form neither . . . or.

E. This choice incorrectly uses the singular pronoun it to refer to the plural reasons. On the other hand, its use of preoccupied with, curious about, and neither . . . nor are all correct.

The correct answer is B.
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GMATNinja: can you please help on this one? I didn't even consider B because it doesn't even contain neither...nor.. structure. What is error in option C?
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henilshaht wrote:
GMATNinja: can you please help on this one? I didn't even consider B because it doesn't even contain neither...nor.. structure. What is error in option C?


Hi

Let me try to address your query.

In such sentences, where two separate items are being negated, it is not mandatory to have a "neither...nor" structure. A "not X or Y" structure as used in option (B) works perfectly fine to convey the intended meaning. Consider the following example:

John counts neither soccer nor basketball among his favourite sports.
John does not count soccer or basketball among his favourite sports.


Both the above structures are correct.

On the other hand, in option (C), there is the incorrect usage of "curious with". The correct idiomatic usage would be "curious about". Hence option (C) is ruled out.

Hope this helps.
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I have a question with respect to E. Is there anything wrong with the usage of "reasons that their parents divorced"?
I saw someone said that it should be "reasons that their parents divorced for," and since we cannot put "for" at the end of that modifier, it should be changed to "reasons for which their parents divorced."

Is that correct?
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A study concerns the children of divorced parents. This study found that children who had been very young at the time of their parents’s divorce were not very concerned with the reasons for the divorce ten years after the divorce.

There are two errors in the sentence. First, the preposition “about” in “about the reasons” works with “curious” but not with “preoccupied”. The correct preposition with “preoccupied” is “with”. Second, “Nor” can be used with “not” only when a verb follows “nor”. Since an adjective “curious” follows “nor” here, we need to use “or” in place of “nor”. Refer this link for more information about this use.

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A. not preoccupied, nor even very curious, about the reasons that led to their parents' divorce
Incorrect. For the error mentioned above.

B. not preoccupied with, or even very curious about, the reasons for their parents' divorce
Correct.

C. neither preoccupied, nor even very curious, with the reasons that led to their parents divorce
Incorrect. For the following reasons:

1. The preposition “with” doesn’t work with “curious”.
2. The word “parents” needs to have an apostrophe at the end since it modifies “divorce”.

D. neither preoccupied with the reasons that led to their parents' divorces or even very curious about them
Incorrect. For the following reasons:

1. “Neither… or” is idiomatically incorrect.
2. The word “them” could refer to parents, divorces, or reasons. The reference is not clear.

E. neither preoccupied with the reasons that their parents divorced nor even very curious about it
Incorrect. For the following reasons:
1. Singular “it” has been used for the plural “reasons”.
2. “The reasons that their parents divorced” is not correct. It can be corrected in the following two ways:
    1. The reasons that their parents divorced for
    2. The reasons why their parents divorced
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I have a question with respect to E. Is there anything wrong with the usage of "reasons that their parents divorced"?
I saw someone said that it should be "reasons that their parents divorced for," and since we cannot put "for" at the end of that modifier, it should be changed to "reasons for which their parents divorced."

Is that correct?

In general, any time you find yourself wondering whether a certain construction is allowed, you don't want to use it as a decision point. It's very easy to get lost deliberating over rules that don't actually exist.

In this case, "reasons that their parents divorced," isn't the world's most elegant phrase, but I'm not sure that it's WRONG, exactly. There's no concrete grammatical error. The notion isn't illogical. So I'm not getting rid of an answer choice on this basis alone. (Notice that there's no need for a preposition here. And while there are certainly hard-core grammar teachers who will insist that you can't end a sentence with a preposition, there's no consensus on this, so if I encountered this construction, I'd avoid using it as a reason to kill an answer choice.)

So instead, let's search for a more concrete error in (E). Take another look:

    "...neither preoccupied with the reasons that their parents divorced nor even very curious about it"

What does "it" refer to here? The only logical referent is "the reasons," but "it" has to refer to a singular noun, so this is a definitive error. Now I'm perfectly happy giving (E) the boot.

The takeaway: Anytime you're unsure about a rule, accept the possibility that there might be no rule, and look for either concrete grammatical errors or problems with logic and meaning.

I hope that helps!
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GMATNinja VeritasKarishma please help in understanding why is option B correct and whats the error in Option C
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Why in Option E can "it" not refer to "divorce", as the other possible noun referent "reasons" is plural? I find no reason to eliminate this option E because of pronoun ambiguity as mentioned by other people. Can someone please explain?
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Why in Option E can "it" not refer to "divorce", as the other possible noun referent "reasons" is plural? I find no reason to eliminate this option E because of pronoun ambiguity as mentioned by other people. Can someone please explain?


Hello Pankaj0901,

We hope this finds you well.


To answer your query, the intended meaning of the sentence is that the children are not preoccupied with or curious about the reasons behind their parents' divorce, not the divorce itself;thus, "it" cannot refer to "divorce", as doing so would change the intended meaning.

We hope this helps.
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Why in Option E can "it" not refer to "divorce", as the other possible noun referent "reasons" is plural? I find no reason to eliminate this option E because of pronoun ambiguity as mentioned by other people. Can someone please explain?

Grammatically, "it" can refer to "divorce." But then we get the following:

Quote:
Children who had been under six years of age at the time of the settlement were neither preoccupied with the reasons that their parents divorced nor even very curious about [the divorce.]


It would make sense to say that the children weren't interested in the reasons for the divorce and also weren't curious about the reasons for the divorce, as we get in (B). But to say that they weren't curious about the divorce itself? The point isn't that the kids think the fact of the divorce is boring, but rather, that they aren't thinking too much about why it happened.

Put another way, it's hard to imagine that kids don't care about the divorce itself. But it's reasonable enough to imagine that the kids don't care whether financial disputes or infidelity were the reasons behind the divorce.

So don't get rid of (E) because of pronoun ambiguity. Get rid of it because there's no referent for the pronoun that gives us a meaning as logical as the one we get from (B).

I hope that clears things up!
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Here is a detailed explanation to this question-
hams7uc wrote:
A study of children of divorced parents found that ten years after the parents' divorce, children who had been under six years of age at the time of the settlement were not preoccupied, nor even very curious, about the reasons that led to their parents' divorce.

(A) not preoccupied, nor even very curious, about the reasons that led to their parents' divorce
(B) not preoccupied with, or even very curious about, the reasons for their parents' divorce
(C) neither preoccupied, nor even very curious, with the reasons that led to their parents divorce
(D) neither preoccupied with the reasons that led to their parents' divorces or even very curious about them
(E) neither preoccupied with the reasons that their parents divorced nor even very curious about it



Concepts tested here: Pronouns + Idioms + Awkwardness/Redundancy

• The idiomatic construction is "preoccupied with".
• The idiomatic construction is "curious about".
• “neither” cannot be used without “nor”, though "nor" can be used without neither.

A:
1/ This answer choice incorrectly uses the unidiomatic construction "preoccupied about"; remember, the idiomatic construction is "preoccupied with".
2/ Option A uses the needlessly wordy phrase "the reasons that led to their parents' divorce", leading to awkwardness and redundancy.

B: Correct.
1/ This answer avoids the pronoun error in Option E, as it uses no pronoun to refer to the noun "reasons".
2/ Option B correctly uses the idiomatic constructions "curious about" and "preoccupied with".
3/ Option B avoids the idiomatic error seen in Option D, as it utilizes "nor" in place of "neither".
4/ Option B is free of any awkwardness or redundancy.

C:
1/ This answer choice incorrectly uses the unidiomatic construction "curious with"; remember, the idiomatic construction is "curious about".
2/ Option C uses the needlessly wordy phrase " the reasons that led to their parents' divorce", leading to awkwardness and redundancy.

D:
1/ This answer choice incorrectly uses the unidiomatic construction "neither...nor"; remember, “neither” cannot be used without “nor”, though "nor" can be used without neither.
2/ Option D uses the needlessly wordy phrase " the reasons that led to their parents' divorce", leading to awkwardness and redundancy.

E:
1/ This answer choice incorrectly refers to the plural noun "reasons" with the singular pronoun "it".
2/ Option E uses the needlessly wordy phrase "the reasons that their parents divorced", leading to awkwardness and redundancy.

Hence, B is the best answer choice.

All the best!
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Dear Experts @GMATNinja @AndrewN @MartyTTP Nor can be used in two ways ... 1. As a FANBOYS (Indpedent Clause Construction) with Not (With Comma) 2. As a neither + nor co-relative clause construction ... Both are used to emphasize TWO negative things. Do you have any idea which one is more appropriate in what scenarios or both are interchangeable ? Need your guidance on this issue.
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tayyab2022 wrote:
Dear Experts @GMATNinja @AndrewN @MartyTTP Nor can be used in two ways ... 1. As a FANBOYS (Indpedent Clause Construction) with Not (With Comma) 2. As a neither + nor co-relative clause construction ... Both are used to emphasize TWO negative things. Do you have any idea which one is more appropriate in what scenarios or both are interchangeable ? Need your guidance on this issue.

Hello, tayyab2022. You will not have to worry about choosing between the two constructs unless there is some other issue that would separate the two iterations of the sentence. The reason is simple: both are perfectly legitimate ways of expressing a similar idea. In fact, you could toss in a third using or. All of the following express essentially the same idea.

1) Neither X nor Y is a factor.

2) X is not a factor, nor is Y.

3) [Either] X or Y is not a factor.

In the third sentence, either could be omitted as an understood element, depending on the context. I know it may be frustrating when you are seeking a definitive answer, but there is no hierarchy to be found here. It just depends on how the author wishes to express the idea, nothing more.

Good luck with your studies.

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