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# A survey by the National Council of Churches showed that in

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A survey by the National Council of Churches showed that in 1986 there were 20,736 female ministers, almost 9 percent of the nation’s clergy, twice as much as 1977.

(A) twice as much as 1977
(B) twice as many as 1977
(C) double what it was in 1977
(D) double the figure for 1977
(E) a number double that of 1977's

A survey of female ministers by the National Council of Churches showed that as of 1986, there were 20,736 women, representing almost 8 percent of the nation's clergy. This was double the figure for 1977. The survey did not give a racial breakdown.
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05 May 2015, 06:12
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E is wrong because of the following:

that of 1977's

it should be either "that of 1977"
or "1977's"
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A survey by the National Council of Churches showed that in 1986 there were 20,736 female ministers, almost 9 percent of the nation's clergy, twice as much as 1977.

(A) twice as much as 1977 - the number/figure 20,736 is compared to year 1977
(B) twice as many as 1977 - same as A
(C) double what it was in 1977 - no clear antecedent for it
(D) double the figure for 1977 - figure 20,736 is correctly compared to a figure
(E) a number double that of 1977's - redundant because of possessive a number double that of 1977's number
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07 May 2011, 05:28
most certainly no; double here means two times and is a noun
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A survey by the National Council of Churches showed that in 1986 there were 20,736 female ministers, almost 9 percent of the nation’s clergy, twice as much as 1977.

(A) twice as much as 1977
(B) twice as many as 1977
(C) double what it was in 1977
(D) double the figure for 1977
(E) a number double that of 1977’s

The correct answer is D. However, I would like to know if "double" is a verb in this case?

If double was in verb form- it would be an infinitive - sentence giving order/command to the reader to double- that will not make any sense here.
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A survey by the National Council of Churches showed that in 1986 there were 20,736 female ministers, almost 9 percent of the nation’s clergy, twice as much as 1977.

(A) twice as much as 1977
(B) twice as many as 1977
(C) double what it was in 1977
(D) double the figure for 1977
(E) a number double that of 1977’s

The correct answer is D. However, I would like to know if "double" is a verb in this case?

If double was in verb form- it would be an infinitive - sentence giving order/command to the reader to double- that will not make any sense here.

Try not to focus too much on the technicalities that really don't matter. Focus on answering the question in as little time as possible--and do it effectively.

This is an apples vs oranges comparison. Note that in (A) and (B), "twice as much as 1977" or "twice as many as 1977" are comparing the actual year of 1977 to how many female ministers there were in 1986. This is a typical GMAT trap--just don't be fooled into thinking this is testing you on "as much as" versus "as many as."

Hope that adds a little insight.
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05 May 2015, 00:36
Why is option E wrong in this case?

Thanks!
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07 May 2015, 22:04
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vivesomnium wrote:
TrueLie wrote:
A survey by the National Council of Churches showed that in 1986 there were 20,736 female ministers, almost 9 percent of the nation’s clergy, twice as much as 1977.

(A) twice as much as 1977
(B) twice as many as 1977
(C) double what it was in 1977
(D) double the figure for 1977
(E) a number double that of 1977’s

The correct answer is D. However, I would like to know if "double" is a verb in this case?

If double was in verb form- it would be an infinitive - sentence giving order/command to the reader to double- that will not make any sense here.

Try not to focus too much on the technicalities that really don't matter. Focus on answering the question in as little time as possible--and do it effectively.

This is an apples vs oranges comparison. Note that in (A) and (B), "twice as much as 1977" or "twice as many as 1977" are comparing the actual year of 1977 to how many female ministers there were in 1986. This is a typical GMAT trap--just don't be fooled into thinking this is testing you on "as much as" versus "as many as."

Hope that adds a little insight.

apple an orange comparison is only one factor for this problem. this factor can be learned in gmat book . knowing this factor is not enough for non native. we need to overhaul the total grammar knowledge for this question. This situation is simple to here but fatal to your seccess on sc and verbal. why

all of non native begin preparing gmat when their grammar is weak. the result is that they can learn some grammar point in gmat book but are still lacking the basic grammar, making them fail on gmat sc. this case dose not happen to the natives, who naturally master the basic grammar already and need a few months to master the grammar points characteristic of gmat. that is the reason why the natives need only a few months for gmat.

for non natives, even after they get 100 on TOEFL, they need to overhaul the total grammar in parallel with studying gmat books.

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25 May 2015, 10:34
GMATPill wrote:
vivesomnium wrote:
TrueLie wrote:
A survey by the National Council of Churches showed that in 1986 there were 20,736 female ministers, almost 9 percent of the nation’s clergy, twice as much as 1977.

(A) twice as much as 1977
(B) twice as many as 1977
(C) double what it was in 1977
(D) double the figure for 1977
(E) a number double that of 1977’s

The correct answer is D. However, I would like to know if "double" is a verb in this case?

If double was in verb form- it would be an infinitive - sentence giving order/command to the reader to double- that will not make any sense here.

Try not to focus too much on the technicalities that really don't matter. Focus on answering the question in as little time as possible--and do it effectively.

This is an apples vs oranges comparison. Note that in (A) and (B), "twice as much as 1977" or "twice as many as 1977" are comparing the actual year of 1977 to how many female ministers there were in 1986. This is a typical GMAT trap--just don't be fooled into thinking this is testing you on "as much as" versus "as many as."

Hope that adds a little insight.

it will be great if you could elaborate a little more . Also please explain the use of double the figure for 1977
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12 Jun 2015, 13:26
Why is D correct? It's still not clear to me why it is the best answer out of all of the options.
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25 Jun 2016, 03:22
guys, can someboby please explain why option C is wrong? I could not decide between C and D and chose C
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guys, can someboby please explain why option C is wrong? I could not decide between C and D and chose C

In option C, the pronoun "it" does not have an antecedent. In order to use the pronoun "it", there must be the noun "figure" (or some similar noun) somewhere in the sentence. Therefore C is wrong.
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guys, can someboby please explain why option C is wrong? I could not decide between C and D and chose C

In option C, the pronoun "it" does not have an antecedent. In order to use the pronoun "it", there must be the noun "figure" (or some similar noun) somewhere in the sentence. Therefore C is wrong.

Thank you so much for your help, I get it now. Kudos for you.
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in B
(B) twice as many as in 1977

would that make option correct?

Yes it would be correct. the structure would then be:

.... twice as many as (there were) in 1977.
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A survey by the National Council of Churches showed that in 1986 there were 20,736 female ministers, almost 9 percent of the nation’s clergy, twice as much as 1977.

(A) twice as much as 1977
1. We need "many" to compare a countable noun "females" ..
2. the comparison here is between females in 1986 and females in 1977. However this option says females in 1986 is two times of 1977 (which means 1977 x 2) totally wrong

(B) twice as many as 1977
Same error (2) as explained in option A

(C) double what it was in 1977
"it" does not have a clear referent

(D) double the figure for 1977
Correct

(E) a number double that of 1977’s
we already have "that of" and don't need "1977's" (apostrophe) - redundancy error
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30 Jul 2017, 14:36
I still don't understand why C is wrong. Isn't 'it' same as 'the figure' in D? I think 'it' cannot represent 'female ministers' but it can represent '9 percent of the nation's clergy'. Please explain.

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guys, can someboby please explain why option C is wrong? I could not decide between C and D and chose C

In option C, the pronoun "it" does not have an antecedent. In order to use the pronoun "it", there must be the noun "figure" (or some similar noun) somewhere in the sentence. Therefore C is wrong.
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I still don't understand why C is wrong. Isn't 'it' same as 'the figure' in D? I think 'it' cannot represent 'female ministers' but it can represent '9 percent of the nation's clergy'. Please explain.

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guys, can someboby please explain why option C is wrong? I could not decide between C and D and chose C

In option C, the pronoun "it" does not have an antecedent. In order to use the pronoun "it", there must be the noun "figure" (or some similar noun) somewhere in the sentence. Therefore C is wrong.

According to C,
A survey by the National Council of Churches showed that in 1986 there were 20,736 female ministers, almost 9 percent of the nation’s clergy, double what it was(9% was) in 1977. Also, it could refer to clergy too. This creates a lot of confusion.
While the actual intent of the question is comparing the 2 numbers.
The number for 1986 and the number for 1977.
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31 Jul 2017, 13:40
Thank you so much for the reply!

So C is not TECHNICALLY wrong but D does the better job.

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guys, can someboby please explain why option C is wrong? I could not decide between C and D and chose C

In option C, the pronoun "it" does not have an antecedent. In order to use the pronoun "it", there must be the noun "figure" (or some similar noun) somewhere in the sentence. Therefore C is wrong.
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According to C,
A survey by the National Council of Churches showed that in 1986 there were 20,736 female ministers, almost 9 percent of the nation’s clergy, double what it was(9% was) in 1977. Also, it could refer to clergy too. This creates a lot of confusion.
While the actual intent of the question is comparing the 2 numbers.
The number for 1986 and the number for 1977.
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A survey by the National Council of Churches showed that in 1986 there were 20,736 female ministers, almost 9 percent of the nation’s clergy, twice as much as 1977.

(A) twice as many as in 197
(B) double the figure for 1977
(C) a number double that of 1977
(D)a number double of 1977’s

I have written 4 answers. As I understand they are all correct.
So which one of them have I to choose if GMAT gives them in such manner?
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18 Aug 2017, 00:22
sayantanc2k wrote:
paidlukkha wrote:
in B
(B) twice as many as in 1977

would that make option correct?

Yes it would be correct. the structure would then be:

.... twice as many as (there were) in 1977.

How Do I understand that the double this is 20,000 and not 9%? is the statment within , ..9%....... , a modifier of ministers?
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