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# According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of

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28 Feb 2014, 08:49
Help!

Are we 100% sure that the correct answer is

E: "as those charging"?

I selected E while taking GMATPrep3 from Exam Pack 1, and my software is saying that I was incorrect. It says that the correct answer is D, "as charge." Is this a glitch???

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29 Mar 2014, 04:48
According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of College an University Business Officers, more than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under $8,000 a year than those that charge over$16,000.
A) than those that charge
B) than are charging
C) than to charge
D) as charge
E) as those charging

this is wrong question. pls, look at gmatprep question "women over age of 30..."

According to public health officials, in 1998 Massachusetts became the first state in which more babies were born to women over the age of thirty //than// under it.

1. than
2. than born
3. than they were

the rule of ellipsis is simple.
- the cut off part must be present somewhere
- the remaining part must be parallel to a phrase so that the meaning is clear or the remaining part is not parallel with some thing but the meaning is already clear. in case, both choice is clear in meaning, the choice which is parallel to some phrase is prefered and chosen.

I find out above rule.
appy the above rule. both D and E is wrong. (see the above gmatprep question )

there is no "charge over" so we can not use "charge under" or "charging under". so the remaining part is not parallel with any phrase and the remaining part itself is not clear in meaning. wong.

I am a student just willing to beat gmat. I wish experts, member comment on my above idea so that we can master ellipsis. this point is tough and need carefull consideration. pls, speak up. a student like me never want to say a question is wrong.

am I correct?
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09 Apr 2014, 08:14
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Vinay911, not sure if you are still looking for a response on this question. But here it is anyway (I am royally late in responding to this one )
As many posters have commented, we have to establish the correct equation here. Simplistically here is the equation we are looking for:

Since your doubt pertains to choices D and E, I will only focus on those. The difference between these two choices is in terms of what is there in the blank below. Choice D has nothing in this blank and choice E has "those that". Now you may question that choice E actually states "those charging". Remember that "those charging" is equivalent of "those that charge".

For example : cow that grazes all day long = cow grazing all day long

Ok now lets look at both constructions in terms of the equation:

Per choice D - More than 3x as many colleges charge certain fees as ____ charge over $16000 Per choice E - More than 3x as many colleges charge certain fees as those that charge over$16000

2. More than 3X institutions (currently) charge under $8K. (Set C of institutions) Choice E converts St. 1 about institutions that currently charge over$16K (a dynamic set) into a statement about institutions that have charged over $16K over the course of history ("institutions charging over$16K"). These institutions (Set A) may or may not be charging over $16K today. Additionally, other institutions that traditionally did not charge over$16K (Set B) may have hiked their fees and could be charging over $16K today. The survey compares Set C to "Set A + Set B" but the wording of Choice E makes it compare Set C (a dynamic set) to only Set A (a static set). By including the verb, "charge" (versus the adjective, "charging"), Choice D makes it clear that the survey correctly compares institutions that currently charge under$8K to those that currently charge over $16K. _________________ --Prasad EnterMBA Retired Moderator Status: worked for Kaplan's associates, but now on my own, free and flying Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Posts: 3835 Location: India WE: Education (Education) Followers: 820 Kudos [?]: 6323 [0], given: 324 Re: According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of College and [#permalink] ### Show Tags 01 Aug 2015, 09:09 Here the institutions that charge under$8000 are in comparison with those institutions that charge over $1000. The phrase more than three times is a diversion from the core of the topic. The idiom should be ‘as much as’ .Let us dump A B and C, for missing the 'as much as' structure. Between D and E: The elements that are being compared should be clearly stated rather than leaving to imagination. 'As charge' may be mistaken to modify the noun phrase 'tuition and fees of under$8000 a year'. In order to avoid these pit falls, the word 'those' should be necessarily mentioned to make it clear that it is these two types of institutions that are under comparison. That is the reason that D is a doubtful contender.

So E is better; here ‘charging’ is a present participle modifier that describes those institutions.
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01 Aug 2015, 23:14
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Here the institutions that charge under $8000 are in comparison with those institutions that charge over$1000. The phrase more than three times is a diversion from the core of the topic. The idiom should be ‘as much as’ .Let us dump A B and C, for missing the 'as much as' structure.
$16,000 A. than those that charge B. than are charging C. than to charge D. as charge E. as those charging This sentence has a LOT of fluff that gets in the way of locating the correct answer. GIVEN: According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of College and University Business Officers, more than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under$8,000 a year than those that charge over $16,000 IGNORE THE FLUFF: According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of College and University Business Officers, more than three times as many THINGS DO one thing ______________something else For parallelism, the blank needs something like "as DO" We get: Three times as many THINGS DO one thing as DO something else Answer: [Reveal] Spoiler: D RELATED VIDEOS _________________ Brent Hanneson – Founder of gmatprepnow.com Verbal Expert Joined: 14 Dec 2013 Posts: 3041 Location: Germany Schools: HHL Leipzig GMAT 1: 780 Q50 V47 WE: Corporate Finance (Pharmaceuticals and Biotech) Followers: 515 Kudos [?]: 2271 [0], given: 22 Re: According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of [#permalink] ### Show Tags 20 Aug 2016, 11:20 manhasnoname wrote: sayantanc2k wrote: A simpler construction might help understand the complex question better: Three times as many students like football as like basketball. The correct comparison marker is as.... as. The combination as... than is wrong (than must go with a comparative adjective, not with as) Therefore A,B and C can be eliminated. The compared elements are: 3X institutions charge low fees (<$8000) and X institutions charge high fees (>\$16,000). Two verbs charge and charge are being compared.

In option E,the parallelism is lost because charge and charging are compared.

Therefore D is correct.

Sure, verb parallelism is achieved in (E). But, isn't it comparing institutions with charge as opposed to institutions with institutions?

I am not clear about your query. How verb parallelism is achieved in E? In E, a present participle modifier is made parallel to a verb. Could you clarify your query?

If you meant "D" rather "E" then my post above could help explain, why the parallelism is correct in D. Please note that the repeated "institutions" has been omitted from the second element of parallel structure.
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01 Oct 2016, 01:18
1. First of all – we have 2 comparison markers, and should make sure they are both present fully:

[*] “More” (“More…+than”):
-- Should be accompanied by “than” – We have them both.
-- Notice that “More…than…” is used to show dissimilarity

[*] As X as Y
-- We need to make sure we have the 2nd “As” – that leaves us with choices D & E
-- Notice that this idiom is used to show similarity

So we have 2 comparisons used here – and this is a key to solving this question.

2. Now try to analyze:

[*] Case 1: the number of the companies is different + their action is the same
-- This makes sense since all companies at hand do the action of charging (they might charge a different sum, but do the same action).

[*]Case 2: the number of the companies is the same + their action is different.
--This does not makes sense. The companies do the same action, and the intended meaning is that you have different number of companies.

Comment: Notice no other case is possible.

Hence option D is the correct 1, since it focuses on comparing (with equality) of the action.
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