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The answer has to be "E"..

As many... as those charging... :-D

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According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of College and University Business Officers, more than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under $8,000 a year than those that charge over $16,000.

A) than those that charge
B) than are charging
C) than to charge
D) as charge
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According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of College and University Business Officers, more than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under $8,000 a year than those that charge over $16,000.

A) than those that charge
B) than are charging
C) than to charge
D) as charge
E) as those charging



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...According to survey..., as many charge under 8000 as charge over 16000

as many...as -> idiom
option E -> as those charging -- those is redundant

D is best answer
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1. First of all – we have 2 comparison markers, and should make sure they are both present fully:

[*] “More” (“More…+than”):
-- Should be accompanied by “than” – We have them both.
-- Notice that “More…than…” is used to show dissimilarity

[*] As X as Y
-- We need to make sure we have the 2nd “As” – that leaves us with choices D & E
-- Notice that this idiom is used to show similarity

So we have 2 comparisons used here – and this is a key to solving this question.

2. Now try to analyze:

[*] Case 1: the number of the companies is different + their action is the same
-- This makes sense since all companies at hand do the action of charging (they might charge a different sum, but do the same action).

[*]Case 2: the number of the companies is the same + their action is different.
--This does not makes sense. The companies do the same action, and the intended meaning is that you have different number of companies.

Comment: Notice no other case is possible.

Hence option D is the correct 1, since it focuses on comparing (with equality) of the action.

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pqhai wrote:
Basically, we have two different comparison structures here.
(1) Twice as X as Y ==> X and Y must be parallel
(2) X as [....] as Y ==> X and Y must be parallel.


Let see your examples:

Twice as many Americans buy pizza as Indians who buy salad. <-- is this correct?
Correct. We're comparing the number of Americans vs. that of Indians. It doesn't matter what they do, we just compare the number of people.

Twice as many Americans buy chocolate as those who buy pizza. <--- is this correct?
Correct. "those" refers to a "new copy" of Americans. Thus, the sentence compares the number of American to by chocolate with that of Americans who buy pizza.


Twice as many Americans buy chocolate as those that buy pizza <--- is this correct?
Wrong. Absolutely wrong at first sight. "that" never modifies people ==> only "who" can do.

Americans are twice as likely to buy pizza as Indians. (or) (Here "do" is in ellipsis) <--- is this correct?
Correct. The structure is: Americans ...as [........] as Indians... ==> The parallel structure is maintained.

Americans are twice as likely to buy chocolate as pizza. <--- is this correct?
Wrong. The structure is: Americans..as [...] as pizza. The correct structure is: Americans are twice as likely to do buy chocolate as (Americans who are likely) to buy pizza

Hope it helps.


Dear pqhai,

I am really confused when to use "AS" and when to use "THAN" during comparison.
Could you please help me with some examples.

Thanks.

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D says: More than 3x as many institutions charge A as charge B.
E says: More than 3x as many institutions charge A as those [charging B] [verb is missing after this].

D correctly compares the two actions/verbs, so it is correct.

In E, "charging B" is a modifier that provides extra information about the second subject "those". For all practical purposes, you can remove this modifier while analyzing the sentence.

E thus reads: More than 3x as many institutions charge A as "institutions".
E incorrectly compares two nouns, without making it clear which action of the second noun is compared to the "charge" action of the first noun.
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The OA is correct and explanations provided in the thread appear sufficient:
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Yes, I got the idiomatic bit of it. However, what about charge || charging? I think option e is breaking parallelism


It is acceptable to omit repeated parts of the second element of two elements in parallel. Before the omission the sentence (simplified for easy understanding) is as follows:

More than three times as many institutions charge low fees as institutions charge high fees.

The blue font and green font portions are parallel elements.


It is allowed to omit the repeated part (institutions) from the second element ( green font). After omission the sentence becomes:
More than three times as many institutions charge low fees as instituionscharge high fees.


Would it still be correct if "charge" is omitted?
More than three times as many institutions charge low fees as instituions charge high fees.



Yes, even a verb can be omitted, if it has already been used in the first element of the parallel structure and the meaning is not obscured or ambiguous. For example, following is an ambiguous sentence:

I like chocolates more than Deepika.

The above may have two meanings:
I like chocolates more than Deepika (likes chocolates).
I like chocolates more than (I like) Deepika.

In such cases omission is not acceptable.

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In this question the OA is D, as also pointed out by Ron in this post https://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/foru ... 25007.html on MGMAT board.

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Its strange even the e-gmat experts pointed out the wrong answer and provided detailed explanation in supporting their answer.

The explanation given by sayantanc2k is perfect and justifiable.
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sir, please explain why there are some many complications b/w D and E , what EGMAt explained above seems logical to me , but the OA is E ,
please help me out to go through the best option .

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OA is D, not E. Following is an explanation why D is better than E.

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The answer is definitely (D) here.

The biggest issue in this question is the (very cleverly disguised) idiom "as many... as". We use the phrase "as many... as" pretty frequently in normal language:

  • Chuck eats three times as many burritos as Mike. --> no problem, right?
  • Chuck eats more than three times as many burritos as Mike. --> still no problem, right?

Both of these are acceptable, it's just that they're saying slightly different things. But you wouldn't say either of these:

  • Chuck eats three times as many burritos than Mike.
  • Chuck eats more than three times as many burritos than Mike.

You could say "as many... as" or "more than" -- but "as many... than" is simply wrong. The error in (A), (B), and (C) is exactly the same as in these last two examples. It's just that the construction is more complicated, so it's harder to spot the error. For example, here's answer choice (C):

Quote:
more than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under $8,000 a year than charge over $16,000


There are a ton of words separating "as many" from "than" -- and that makes it really, really hard to see the mistake. And yes, this is a nasty little trick that you're likely to see in other GMAT SC questions.

Anyway, that leaves us with (D) and (E). As several people have mentioned, there's a parallelism issue in (E), but to be fair, it's really subtle. Here are (D) and (E) again, with a few words stripped out to make it easier to see what's happening:

    (D) "... three times as many institutions charge tuition and fees of under $8,000 a year as charge over $16,000."
    (E) "... three times as many institutions charge tuition and fees of under $8,000 a year as those charging over $16,000."

The parallelism is much, much clearer in (D): "three times as many institutions do X as do Y." In (E), we're basically saying "three times as many institutions do X as institutions doing Y."

But to be fair: man, this question is tough, and I can introduce you to a whole bunch of people who missed this on their practice tests... and still scored in the mid-700s on the real thing just a few weeks later. :)
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please can anyone explain this disparity as why is answer D when as explained above in the thread the answer should be E


It appears that you have missed the explanation why D is better than E - this explanation has been referred to multiple times on this thread:

https://gmatclub.com/forum/according-to ... l#p1687440

In addition, please refer to the above post by the other verbal expert.

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Here is my approach!

According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of College and University Business officers, more than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under $8000 a year than those that charge over $16000.

A. than those that charge

--> the correct idiom is as ... as ... , not as .... than ....

B. than are charging

--> the correct idiom is as ... as ... , not as .... than ....

C. than to charge

--> the correct idiom is as ... as ... , not as .... than ....

D. as charge

--> In idiom as X as Y, X and Y should be parallel. X is many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under $8000 a year --> so X is a complete sentence with Subject + Verb --> Y should be a complete sentence with Subject +Verb too. But the subject of X and Y is the same and by ellipsis, we can omit Subject and left with Verb.

I suggest that we should have verb after as in comparison.

E. as those charging

--> First of all, we must notice the quantitative maker many.

I think this option E makes an illogical comparison between many independent institutions ... (which donotes a number) and those (independent institutions) charging (which is a noun) --> illogical.
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can anyone please explain what the correct answer is? Still confused between D and E.

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can anyone please explain what the correct answer is? Still confused between D and E.


Hi Noyonika ,

Correct answer is option D.

According to a 1996 survey by the National Association of College and University Business Officers, more than three times as many independent institutions of higher education charge tuition and fees of under $8,000 a year as charge over $16,000.

Notice that we are comparing one set of institutions that charge under $8000 and another set that charges over $16000.

So, we should say as many institutions charge over $8000 as institutions charge over $16000.

Did you notice the comparison of institutions based on the fees they charge?

Do you think "one set of institutions that charge under $8000 and another set charging over $16000." is || ?

The answer is NO. Hence, E is not correct because it is saying those charging on one side and those charge on another side.

A per the ||ism rule, if we are saying as X as Y ==> X and Y must be ||. Hence, E is incorrect.

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This question comes from both 1000 series and GMATPrep EP1. In 1000 series, the answer is E. In GMATPrep EP1, the answer is D. This is why so many people asked for the correct answer as two sources made them confused.

The correct answer is D as many experts explained in previous posts. Kindly read those posts before making any question/report.
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hi, the explaination to this question points towards option E, which I chose. However the OA is D. please explain why is D correct and E incorrect. thanks

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