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According to a recent poll, owing and living in a free standing house on its own land is still a goal of majority of young adults,like that of earlier generations.

A) like that of earlier generations.
B) as that of earlier generations.
C) just as earlier generations did
D) as have earlier generations
E) as it was of earlier generations

Its an OG 12 Q..I got this wrong..Not able to even get the explanations mentioned.
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Comparison.
Still is .... it was... Moreover, the word "as" is needed to correctly start the second part of the frase.
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According to a recent poll, owing and living in a free standing house on its own land is still a goal of majority of young adults,like that of earlier generations.

A) like that of earlier generations.
B) as that of earlier generations.
C) just as earlier generations did
D) as have earlier generations
E) as it was of earlier generations

Its an OG 12 Q..I got this wrong..Not able to even get the explanations mentioned.
Can anyone pls explain.

So A is wrong because "like" cannot be used to compare things. D is wrong because it compares two different things. B an C are wrong idiomatically. => E is the correct answer.
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guys a little help here please, can someone help me understand where to put "as" and where to put "like"??
andysimple can u explain a little in detail plz....coz i think that is key to answering these type of questions
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According to a recent poll, owing and living in a free standing house on its own land is still a goal of majority of young adults,like that of earlier generations.

A) like that of earlier generations.
B) as that of earlier generations.
C) just as earlier generations did
D) as have earlier generations
E) as it was of earlier generations

Its an OG 12 Q..I got this wrong..Not able to even get the explanations mentioned.
Can anyone pls explain.


Hello friends, I am facing some problem with the use of pronoun "it" and "its" here.
How "it" in E is referring to "owning and living" phrase and why not to a free house?
And "its" is referring what?
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According to a recent poll, owing and living in a free standing house on its own land is still a goal of majority of young adults,like that of earlier generations.

A) like that of earlier generations.
B) as that of earlier generations.
C) just as earlier generations did
D) as have earlier generations
E) as it was of earlier generations

Its an OG 12 Q..I got this wrong..Not able to even get the explanations mentioned.
Can anyone pls explain.


Hello friends, I am facing some problem with the use of pronoun "it" and "its" here.
How "it" in E is referring to "owning and living" phrase and why not to a free house?
And "its" is referring what?


The entire phrase is the subject:
"owning and living in a free standing house on its own land" and phrases are considered singular.
Thus,
the verb "is"(Singular)
AND
"it" refers to the entire phrase.

"house" can't be the main subject AS it is the object of the prepositional phrase "in a free standing house".

E is ||el as well:

"OWNING" is still a goal OF young
AS
"IT" was OF earlier generations

Meaning wise:
house is the goal.
Owning something is a goal.

Which one sounds more logical.
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Let me give a try :

According to a recent poll, owning and living in a free standing house on its own land is still a goal of majority of young adults,like that of earlier generations.

'owning and living in a free standing house on its own land' is a noun phrase (Subject)

'its' - possessive noun - referring to free standing house.
'it' - refers to the noun phrase.

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Let me give a try :

According to a recent poll, owning and living in a free standing house on its own land is still a goal of majority of young adults,like that of earlier generations.

'owning and living in a free standing house on its own land' is a noun phrase (Subject)

'its' - possessive noun - referring to free standing house.
'it' - refers to the noun phrase.

Experts feedback please ?


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The entire phrase is the subject:
"owning and living in a free standing house on its own land" and phrases are considered singular.
Thus,
the verb "is"(Singular)
AND
"it" refers to the entire phrase.

"house" can't be the main subject AS it is the object of the prepositional phrase "in a free standing house".

E is ||el as well:

"OWNING" is still a goal OF young
AS
"IT" was OF earlier generations

Meaning wise:
house is the goal.
Owning something is a goal.

Which one sounds more logical.


Fluke and Thabk, I appreciate your attention very much.
Please discuss some more points so that I finish this issue once for all.
1.Do Thabk mean that 'its' will always refers to an object noun(phrase) and 'it' will refer to a subject noun (phrase)?
2. Fluke said-"house" can't be the main subject AS it is the object of the prepositional phrase "in a free standing house"..
Is point#2 related with point#1?
A Manhattan GMAT teacher explained that a pronoun can refer to either a subject or an object. The only condition is that it it should be unambiguous.

Though many times, I can select answer with the help of meaning, but I want to be more technical. Otherwise, many correct answer choices are counter intuitive.

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According to a recent poll, owing and living in a free standing house on its own land is still a goal of majority of young adults,like that of earlier generations.

A) like that of earlier generations.
B) as that of earlier generations.
C) just as earlier generations did
D) as have earlier generations
E) as it was of earlier generations

Its an OG 12 Q..I got this wrong..Not able to even get the explanations mentioned.
Can anyone pls explain.


We should compare "owing and living in a free standing house on its own land"
So we should use "as" because the compare item is a phrase and not a noun. So we can eliminate A
(B) compare goals and not the phase - Incorrect
(C) we don't know whether older generation did
(D) we don't know whether older generation had
(E) - Correct
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Question sounds incorrect to me. What's the source?

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IMO: A
B: usage of "for" is incorrect.
C: Comparisons is not structurally parallel.
D: Not parallel.
E: I'm not sure. Maybe too wordy. Moreover, Present tense is more appropriate than Past tense.
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According to a recent poll, owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land is still a goal of a majority of young adults, like that of earlier generations.
(A) like that of earlier generations
(B) as that for earlier generations
(C) just as earlier generations did
(D) as have earlier generations
(E) as it was of earlier generations


(A) like that of earlier generations -- "like that"- wrong comparison + not parallel
(B) as that for earlier generations - not parallel + "that" has a wrong usage here.
(C) just as earlier generations did - action by the earlier generations
(D) as have earlier generations - wrong usage as have
(E) as it was of earlier generations - this is perfectly parallel

"still a goal of a majority of young adults, as it was of earlier generations"

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In A and B, like that and as that imply two separate goals, one similar to the other. But in the SC above there is only one goal: owning and living in a freestanding house. The intended meaning of the sentence is that this one goal is common to all the generations. Eliminate A and B.

In C, it is unclear what verb is being replaced by did. Eliminate C.

In D, it is unclear what earlier generations have done. Eliminate D.

The correct answer is E.

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According to a recent poll, owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land is still a goal of a majority of young adults, like that of earlier generations.
(A) like that of earlier generations
(B) as that for earlier generations
(C) just as earlier generations did
(D) as have earlier generations
(E) as it was of earlier generations


Shraddha,

I have seen the correct answer of this question so many times but I still end up choosing the wrong answer.

See my analysis specifically between choice A and E
Meaning
Owning a house is a goal for majority of adults
Earlier generations had the same goal too.

Per my understanding the goal is compared.
POE
Choice A - Like is followed by that, which is a noun and stands for dream. Hence correct. No error
Choice E - As is followed by clause, goal is compared to clause not correct.

Please help.

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Hi,

Let's see if we can break this one down. This is a comparison so both sides of the comparison need to be parallel in structure. The first half of the comparison has the structure doing X is still a goal of Y so the second half needs to have that same structure such as: as doing X was a goal of group Y in the past.

According to a recent poll, owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land is still a goal of a majority of young adults, like that of earlier generations.
(A) like that of earlier generations
This translates to: Doing X is still a goal of group Y, like that of group Y in the past. This is missing the verb in the second of half. Owning and living in a freestanding house is incorrectly replaced by THAT instead of IT.

Let's pretend that we could use THAT the sentence would read: Owning and living in a freestanding house is still a goal of of a majority of young adults like owning and living in a freestanding house a goal of earlier generations. The verb is missing from the second half.

(B) as that for earlier generations
(C) just as earlier generations did
(D) as have earlier generations
(E) as it was of earlier generations
This translates to: Doing X is still a goal of group Y, as doing X was a goal of group Y in the past or Owning and living in a freestanding house is still a goal of of a majority of young adults as owning and living in a freestanding house was a goal of earlier generations. This is parallel throughout.

It often helps to replace the pronouns with the nouns that they are replacing so that you get a more complete idea of how the sentence should be structured.

I hope that this helps. Let me know if you need more advice on this question.

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Let's see if we can break this one down. This is a comparison so both sides of the comparison need to be parallel in structure. The first half of the comparison has the structure doing X is still a goal of Y so the second half needs to have that same structure such as: as doing X was a goal of group Y in the past.

According to a recent poll, owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land is still a goal of a majority of young adults, like that of earlier generations.
(A) like that of earlier generations
This translates to: Doing X is still a goal of group Y, like that of group Y in the past. This is missing the verb in the second of half. Owning and living in a freestanding house is incorrectly replaced by THAT instead of IT.

Let's pretend that we could use THAT the sentence would read: Owning and living in a freestanding house is still a goal of of a majority of young adults like owning and living in a freestanding house a goal of earlier generations. The verb is missing from the second half.

(B) as that for earlier generations
(C) just as earlier generations did
(D) as have earlier generations
(E) as it was of earlier generations
This translates to: Doing X is still a goal of group Y, as doing X was a goal of group Y in the past or Owning and living in a freestanding house is still a goal of of a majority of young adults as owning and living in a freestanding house was a goal of earlier generations. This is parallel throughout.

It often helps to replace the pronouns with the nouns that they are replacing so that you get a more complete idea of how the sentence should be structured.

I hope that this helps. Let me know if you need more advice on this question.

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do you mean that in the structure:

main clause + comma+like

"like" refers to the subject of the main clause. for example

I speake English, like you

in this sentence "Like you" modifies " I" . is that correct?

and so , in A we have

"like that of earlier generations" refer to " owning and living"

and we have

"like the goal of earlier generation" refers to "owning and living". this is absurd.

is my thinking correct?
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Hi,

OK, let 's take a deeper look here:

You have two ideas in this sentence.

1. Living in a freestanding house on its own land is still a goal of a majority of young adults.

2. Living in a freestanding house on its own land was a goal of earlier generations.


In order to create a comparison we have to maintain all of the elements in both ideas. So we end up with this:

Living in a freestanding house on its own land is still a goal of a majority of young adults as living in a freestanding house on its own land was a goal of earlier generations.


Repeat nouns can be replaced by it/that. In general IT can replace an entire phrase while THAT replaces only a piece. In the example above THAT could replace A GOAL but cannot replace LIVING IN A FREESTANDING HOUSE ON ITS OWN LAND.

An example of correct usage of THAT: The goal of the Giants is the same as THAT of the Jets: to win the Superbowl (That replaces the goal)

An example of correct usage of IT: Winning the super bowl is the goal of the Giants as IT is of the Jets. (IT replaces winning the superbowl)


The second example is very similar to the GMAT question.

So let's replace our noun phrase LIVING IN A FREESTANDING HOUSE ON ITS OWN LAND with IT.

Living in a freestanding house on its own land is still a goal of a majority of young adults as it was a goal of earlier generations.

Last but not least "a goal" is implied so we can omit it.

Living in a freestanding house on its own land is still a goal of a majority of young adults as it was of earlier generations.

I hope that this resolves our concerns.

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According to a recent poll, owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land is still a goal of a majority of young adults, like that of earlier generations.

a) like that of earlier generations - we need "as" to compare clauses
b) as that for earlier generations
c) just as earlier generations did
d) as have earlier generations
e) as it [goal] was of earlier generations - parallel.

According to a recent poll, owning and living.............is a goal of a majority of young adults, as goal was of earlier generations.


in A .. "that of earlier generations" is "goals of earlier generation". In my mind its a noun ... Please correct me ..


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A: According to a recent poll, owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land is still a goal of a majority of young adults, like that of earlier generations.

Very careful with "like". Technically, "like" should be close to the noun it is comparing. If there is a middle noun ==> The comparison may be vague.

The structure of A is: X is a goal of Y, like that of Z. You want to compare "that" with "goal", however, there's Y in the middle. The comparison is quite ambiguous because it's like you're comparing "that" with "Y" ("that" vs "young adult"). In order to make the sentence clear, the structure should be: X is a goal of Y, as Z was a goal of T.

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can anyone suggest why "owning and living..land" is considered as singular; here we are using "and" to combine 2 goals so verb should be plural (are)

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can anyone suggest why "owning and living..land" is considered as singular; here we are using "and" to combine 2 goals so verb should be plural (are)


There are few exception in such usage....but IMO GMAT will not test on such usage..as you can clearly see in this question ..this is in non underlined portion.

one example which i can remember is;
fish and chips is my favourite breakfast.

MOREOVER CONSIDER== AS -->THIS IS WRONG IN GMAT.
CORRECT USAGE IS CONSIDER X,Y

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