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According to a recent study, retirees in the United States are four times more likely to give regular financial aid to their children as to receive it from them.


A. retirees in the United States are four times more likely to give regular financial aid to their children as

B. retirees in the United States are four times as likely to give regular financial aid to their children as it is for them

C. retirees in the United States are four times more likely to give regular financial aid to their children than

D. it is four times more likely for retirees in the United States to give regular financial aid to their children than they are

E. it is four times as likely that retirees in the United States will give their children regular financial aid as they are



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Concepts tested here: Parallelism + Idioms

• "more A than B" is the correct, idiomatic comparison; A and B must be comparable and parallel.
• “as A as B” is a correct idiomatic comparison; A and B must be parallel.

A: This answer choice incorrectly uses the unidiomatic construction “more A (“to give regular financial aid to their children”) as B (“to receive it from them”)”; please remember, "more A than B" is the correct, idiomatic comparison; A and B must be comparable and parallel.

B: This answer choice fails to maintain parallelism between A (“to give regular financial aid to their children”) and B (“it is for them to receive it from them”) in the idiomatic construction “as A as B”; please remember, “as A as B” is a correct idiomatic comparison; A and B must be parallel.

C: Correct. This answer choice correctly uses the idiomatic construction “more A (“to give regular financial aid to their”) than B (“to receive it from them”)”, maintaining parallelism between A and B.

D: This answer choice fails to maintain parallelism between A (“for retirees in the United States to give regular financial aid to their children”) and B (“they are to receive it from them”) in the idiomatic construction “more A than B); please remember, "more A than B" is the correct, idiomatic comparison; A and B must be comparable and parallel.

E: This answer choice fails to maintain parallelism between A (“that retirees in the United States will give their children regular financial aid”) and B (“they are to receive it from them”) in the idiomatic construction “as A as B”; please remember, “as A as B” is a correct idiomatic comparison; A and B must be parallel.

Hence, C is the best answer choice.

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Correct idiom is "more x than y" or "as likely as"

Must maintain parallelism throughout.

According to a recent study, retirees in the United States are four times more likely to give regular financial aid to their children as to receive it from them.
A. retirees in the United States are four times more likely to give regular financial aid to their children as (should be than)

B. retirees in the United States are four times as likely to give regular financial aid to their children as it is for them (Correct idiom but this isn't parallel).

C. retirees in the United States are four times more likely to give regular financial aid to their children than (to receive it from them)

D. it is four times more likely for retirees in the United States to give regular financial aid to their children than they are (should be "than it is")

E. it is four times as likely that retirees in the United States will give their children regular financial aid as they (should be "as it is") are
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In Manhattan SC book Chapter 11, the author mentioned that " times should be followed by as ... as rather than more". The example it gives is " right: The man is 5 times as old as his grandson vs wrong: The man is 5 times older than his grandson". I am confused now because the correct sentence here combines times with more. Obviously, the OG answer is definitely correct. should I ignore the statement in Manhattan SC book or is there a better way to interpret that statement (times should go with "as.. as.. "and shouldn't go with "more"?)


I have the same question with yangfrank. Besides, it's not incorrect to say "it's likely that .." The Pronounce usage of "It" is correct, I think. If not, experts, please help to explain why.

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Think about it mathematically.
Say the grandson's age is 10 years old.

5 times as old means 5x10 years as old = 50 years old

5 times older than means (to me at least) = 10 + 5*10 = 60
Work backwards to verify:
(60-10)/10
= 50/10
= 5 ...

See the difference more clearly?

So I believe both are correct, but it depends on the context.
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dear AndrewN, and GMATNinja,GMATNinjaTwo,

I haven't gotten the solid cross off reasoning. most say "it" in D and E are wrong, but however, I am afraid I disagree with them. "it" in D and E like a "it" in "it is raining". why I crossed off D and E just because of indirect expression, compared with C. but I don't think it is a solid reasoning.

would you please clarify the solid reasoning to cross off D and E?

thanks in advance.

Yeah, you've got a point. The "it" might be unnecessary, but can you make an argument that it's a dummy pronoun that works just fine? For example, if I say "it is likely that Tim will set the house aflame tonight", the "it" just indicates a general state of affairs. In the current question, it's probably fair game to argue that the "it" isn't a definitive error by itself.

But both (D) and (E) have this awful construction in the second part of the comparison: "they are likely to receive it from them." If you read each option several times, you can eventually figure out that "they" is the retirees and "them" is the children, but it's hard to imagine a more confusing way of conveying this information.

Also, the comparisons in (D) and (E) are odd. In each case, we're comparing the infinitive action, "to give" with the clunky full clause "they are likely to receive." Why not just go for the simpler, more logical comparison of actions?

This is exactly what we get in (C) in which it's clearly the retirees who are more likely "to give... than to receive."

Between the unnecessary "it," the confusing "they... them" clause, and the illogical comparison, there's no reason to agonize about whether the goofiness in (D) and (E) qualify as definitive grammatical errors. (C) is obviously better and more logical. That's good enough.

I hope that helps!
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In Manhattan SC book Chapter 11, the author mentioned that " times should be followed by as ... as rather than more". The example it gives is " right: The man is 5 times as old as his grandson vs wrong: The man is 5 times older than his grandson". I am confused now because the correct sentence here combines times with more. Obviously, the OG answer is definitely correct. should I ignore the statement in Manhattan SC book or is there a better way to interpret that statement (times should go with "as.. as.. "and shouldn't go with "more"?)


I have the same question with yangfrank. Besides, it's not incorrect to say "it's likely that .." The Pronounce usage of "It" is correct, I think. If not, experts, please help to explain why.

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Hello Everyone!

Let’s take a look at this question, one issue at a time, and figure out which option is correct.

According to a recent study, retirees in the United States are four times more likely to give regular financial aid to their children as to receive it from them.

A. retirees in the United States are four times more likely to give regular financial aid to their children as
B. retirees in the United States are four times as likely to give regular financial aid to their children as it is for them
C. retirees in the United States are four times more likely to give regular financial aid to their children than
D. it is four times more likely for retirees in the United States to give regular financial aid to their children than they are
E. it is four times as likely that retirees in the United States will give their children regular financial aid as they are

After doing a quick scan over the options, there are a couple glaring differences between each option than we can focus on:

1. How they begin: “…retirees in the United States…” vs. “…it is four times more likely…”
2. How they end: “as” / “as it is” / “than” / “than they are” / “as they are”


Since #1 on our list will knock out 2-3 options immediately, let’s start by figuring out how the phrase should start. Right away, we notice that options D and E use vague pronouns:

D. it is four times more likely for retirees in the United States to give regular financial aid to their children than they are
E. it is four times as likely that retirees in the United States will give their children regular financial aid as they are

What is "it" referring to here? We don't know - and that is a MAJOR problem. All pronouns need clear antecedents! Options D and E can be tossed out as INCORRECT because they include pronouns without antecedents.

That leaves us with options A, B, and C. Let’s take a closer look at how each option ends. Each one needs to use parallel structure and follow idiomatic rules, so let’s focus on how well each accomplishes these tasks:

A. retirees in the United States are four times more likely to give regular financial aid to their children as

This is INCORRECT because it doesn’t follow the proper idiomatic structure “more likely to X than Y.” It says "more likely to X as Y," which is wrong.

B. retirees in the United States are four times as likely to give regular financial aid to their children as it is for them

This is INCORRECT because of pronoun agreement issues. The singular pronoun “it” is referring back to the plural “retirees,” which doesn’t match up in number.

C. retirees in the United States are four times more likely to give regular financial aid to their children than

This is CORRECT because it uses the correct idiomatic structure “X is more likely to…than Y.” Also, all pronouns are in agreement!


There you go - option C is the right answer!


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Hello EMPOWERgmatVerbal GMATNinja,
Thanks for the explanation.
Can we eliminate options D and E solely based on pronoun ambiguity? Because THEY can refer to both retirees and children.
Please suggest.


Thanks for your question NischalSR.

Yes, you can eliminate options D and E solely for pronoun ambiguity. The pronoun "it" doesn't refer to anything specific - in fact, "it" doesn't really refer to anything. If you're looking for other problems with D and E, there are other issues that are less obvious than the glaring pronoun problem:

D. it is four times more likely for retirees in the United States to give regular financial aid to their children than they are to receive it from them.

We could also eliminate option D because the idiom "more likely to X than Y" doesn't sound parallel here. It would sound nicer to rewrite it to look more like this:

...it is four times more likely for retirees in the United States to give regular financial aid to their children than for retirees to receive it from their children.

Also, stacking up two pronouns at the end (they...them) can be confusing for readers if they're not paying close attention to the meaning. In the hypothetical rewrite above, we also got rid of the vague pronouns for the sake of clarity.

E. it is four times as likely that retirees in the United States will give their children regular financial aid as they are

This is also incorrect because the phrase "four times as likely as" doesn't make logical sense. You cannot say that X is four times Y, and then say those two things are the same. One is clearly "more" than the other. This is an idiom problem, so we could rule option E out for this reason too.

We hope this helps! Keep tagging us at EMPOWERgmatVerbal if you have any more questions!
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Hello Everyone!

Let’s take a look at this question, one issue at a time, and figure out which option is correct.

According to a recent study, retirees in the United States are four times more likely to give regular financial aid to their children as to receive it from them.

A. retirees in the United States are four times more likely to give regular financial aid to their children as
B. retirees in the United States are four times as likely to give regular financial aid to their children as it is for them
C. retirees in the United States are four times more likely to give regular financial aid to their children than
D. it is four times more likely for retirees in the United States to give regular financial aid to their children than they are
E. it is four times as likely that retirees in the United States will give their children regular financial aid as they are

After doing a quick scan over the options, there are a couple glaring differences between each option than we can focus on:

1. How they begin: “…retirees in the United States…” vs. “…it is four times more likely…”
2. How they end: “as” / “as it is” / “than” / “than they are” / “as they are”

Since #1 on our list will knock out 2-3 options immediately, let’s start by figuring out how the phrase should start. Right away, we notice that options D and E use vague pronouns:

D. it is four times more likely for retirees in the United States to give regular financial aid to their children than they are
E. it is four times as likely that retirees in the United States will give their children regular financial aid as they are

What is "it" referring to here? We don't know - and that is a MAJOR problem. All pronouns need clear antecedents! Options D and E can be tossed out as INCORRECT because they include pronouns without antecedents.

That leaves us with options A, B, and C. Let’s take a closer look at how each option ends. Each one needs to use parallel structure and follow idiomatic rules, so let’s focus on how well each accomplishes these tasks:

A. retirees in the United States are four times more likely to give regular financial aid to their children as

This is INCORRECT because it doesn’t follow the proper idiomatic structure “more likely to X than Y.” It says "more likely to X as Y," which is wrong.

B. retirees in the United States are four times as likely to give regular financial aid to their children as it is for them

This is INCORRECT because of pronoun agreement issues. The singular pronoun “it” is referring back to the plural “retirees,” which doesn’t match up in number.

C. retirees in the United States are four times more likely to give regular financial aid to their children than

This is CORRECT because it uses the correct idiomatic structure “X is more likely to…than Y.” Also, all pronouns are in agreement!


There you go - option C is the right answer!


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Thank you EMPOWERgmatVerbal , my question is : do we have an idiom "four times as likely" (not "four times MORE likely") , as in the answer B? Can we just leave B because of this wrong idiom?
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In Manhattan SC book Chapter 11, the author mentioned that " times should be followed by as ... as rather than more". The example it gives is " right: The man is 5 times as old as his grandson vs wrong: The man is 5 times older than his grandson". I am confused now because the correct sentence here combines times with more. Obviously, the OG answer is definitely correct. should I ignore the statement in Manhattan SC book or is there a better way to interpret that statement (times should go with "as.. as.. "and shouldn't go with "more"?)
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Hi experts, MartyTargetTestPrep AjiteshArun GMATNinja

As it is in option D and E, can we never have an expletive "it" after an opening modifier? D and E are clearly incorrect for other reasons, but I'm not crystal clear on this part.

Another example where I wasn't entirely sure:
"On first encountering leaf-cutting ants in South America, it seemed to some Europeans that the insects were...."

As soon as we say, "never," GMAC will punk us with an example that goes against our made-up rule :).

    "According to Al, it is raining outside." - Is this wrong? I don't think so. Would we ever see something like this in a correct answer choice? Probably not.

As explained in this post, such non-referential pronouns are rare on the GMAT. But you always want to look for more concrete errors before relying on something like this as a decision point.

I hope that helps a bit!
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avigutman GMATNinja what is the difference between four times as likely as x vs 4 times more likely than X?
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avigutman GMATNinja what is the difference between four times as likely as x vs 4 times more likely than X?

Unfortunately, Elite097, the answer is not as simple as it ought to be. Here's a good analysis of this inconsistency/ambiguity in the English language:
https://mindyourdecisions.com/blog/2016 ... k-problem/
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egmat , Here how is there a parallelism issue in option E ? aren't both X and Y clauses in the structure as likely X as Y in option E?


Hey Taulark1

Happy to help.

Choice E is more a test of meaning analysis than of parallelism. Let's take a closer look at E.

E: According to a recent study, it is four times as likely that retirees in the United States will give their children regular financial aid as they are to receive it from them.

Now, I'm sure you're familiar with the placeholder pronoun 'it'. The Placeholder or Dummy Pronoun "it" either does not refer to any tangible noun:

    For example: It is raining.

...or it refers to noun placed later in the sentence in the form of a Dependent Clause, a to-verb phrase, etc.

    For example: It is known to all of us that Tony failed his test.

Now, let's apply this second example above to our official question choice E.

The pronoun "it" is a placeholder that refers to the idea conveyed by the that-clause. In other words, "that retirees in the United States will give their children regular financial aid" is four times as likely as something else.


Now, ask yourself, what is the intended meaning? The author wishes to discuss the likelihood of what exactly?

    Is the fact that "retirees in the United States will give their children regular financial aid" likely or probably true?

    Or, are retirees more likely to give their children regular financial aid?

Clearly, it is the latter. This why choice E is illogical and a distortion of the intended meaning.


I hope this improves your understanding.

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Hello Everyone!

Let’s take a look at this question, one issue at a time, and figure out which option is correct.

According to a recent study, retirees in the United States are four times more likely to give regular financial aid to their children as to receive it from them.

A. retirees in the United States are four times more likely to give regular financial aid to their children as
B. retirees in the United States are four times as likely to give regular financial aid to their children as it is for them
C. retirees in the United States are four times more likely to give regular financial aid to their children than
D. it is four times more likely for retirees in the United States to give regular financial aid to their children than they are
E. it is four times as likely that retirees in the United States will give their children regular financial aid as they are

After doing a quick scan over the options, there are a couple glaring differences between each option than we can focus on:

1. How they begin: “…retirees in the United States…” vs. “…it is four times more likely…”
2. How they end: “as” / “as it is” / “than” / “than they are” / “as they are”

Since #1 on our list will knock out 2-3 options immediately, let’s start by figuring out how the phrase should start. Right away, we notice that options D and E use vague pronouns:

D. it is four times more likely for retirees in the United States to give regular financial aid to their children than they are
E. it is four times as likely that retirees in the United States will give their children regular financial aid as they are

What is "it" referring to here? We don't know - and that is a MAJOR problem. All pronouns need clear antecedents! Options D and E can be tossed out as INCORRECT because they include pronouns without antecedents.

That leaves us with options A, B, and C. Let’s take a closer look at how each option ends. Each one needs to use parallel structure and follow idiomatic rules, so let’s focus on how well each accomplishes these tasks:

A. retirees in the United States are four times more likely to give regular financial aid to their children as

This is INCORRECT because it doesn’t follow the proper idiomatic structure “more likely to X than Y.” It says "more likely to X as Y," which is wrong.

B. retirees in the United States are four times as likely to give regular financial aid to their children as it is for them

This is INCORRECT because of pronoun agreement issues. The singular pronoun “it” is referring back to the plural “retirees,” which doesn’t match up in number.

C. retirees in the United States are four times more likely to give regular financial aid to their children than

This is CORRECT because it uses the correct idiomatic structure “X is more likely to…than Y.” Also, all pronouns are in agreement!


There you go - option C is the right answer!


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Thank you EMPOWERgmatVerbal , my question is : do we have an idiom "four times as likely" (not "four times MORE likely") , as in the answer B? Can we just leave B because of this wrong idiom?


Hello septwibowo!

You could absolutely rule out option B because the phrase "4 times as likely" doesn't make sense here. Good catch! Often with the incorrect options, there are multiple problems you can easily spot, depending on which grammar rules you're most familiar with. I saw the pronoun-antecedent agreement problem first, but you saw the idiom problem - and that's okay! As long as you come to the correct choice, HOW you do it isn't an issue. :) :thumbup:

I hope that helps!
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vertitas sentence correction says that 'than' should always be followed with a noun for it to stand correct in the comparisons. It isn't the case here in the correct answer. Need your help how to tackle this!
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One basic doubt!

vertitas sentence correction says that 'than' should always be followed with a noun for it to stand correct in the comparisons. It isn't the case here in the correct answer. Need your help how to tackle this!

Hi Himanshu, that noun (after than) might be implied.

For example:

Peter is more likely to go to drive than to walk.

This is equivalent to:

Peter is more likely to go to drive than (Peter is likely) to walk.
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Hi experts, MartyTargetTestPrep AjiteshArun GMATNinja

As it is in option D and E, can we never have an expletive "it" after an opening modifier? D and E are clearly incorrect for other reasons, but I'm not crystal clear on this part.

Another example where I wasn't entirely sure:
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