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New post 28 Jan 2018, 19:55
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enrolment
ɪnˈrəʊlm(ə)nt/Submit
noun
noun: enrollment
the action of enrolling or being enrolled.
"the amount due must be paid on enrolment in October"
NORTH AMERICAN
the number of people enrolled at a school or college.

This above part is google's definition.

So, enrollment can refer to the number of people enrolled - So why A is wrong. Though I agree E is right. I thought even A is a good contender.
daagh, GMATNinja please help me out.

The issue isn't necessarily with the word "enrollment." Thing is, we're trying to compare the NUMBER of people in job training programs with the NUMBER of people enrolled in colleges and universities. And (E) captures that meaning pretty thoroughly.

So what's the problem with (A)? I'd argue that the biggest issue is the word "equivalent," which can also just be used to indicate something that's approximately similar in function or in quality. For example, if I say "Dazbog Coffee is the local equivalent to Starbucks", I'm not saying that they're exactly equal -- I'm suggesting that they're roughly similar or comparable in quality or function. (And if anybody reading this has actually been to Dazbog, feel free to weigh in on the quality of their coffee and snacks! I have totally useless and irrelevant opinions about this.)

Anyway, I don't think that's quite right in (A), which is saying that "eight million people" in job-training programs are somehow "equivalent" to the "enrollment of the nation's four-year colleges and universities." We're not trying to say that these people are "equivalent" (roughly equal in quality or function) to those other people; we're trying to say that the numbers are equal. (E) states that much more clearly.

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Well this is a comparison question. While solving such question, keep one thing in mind that it is a right comparison, apple to apple. Here "for nearly eight million people" is one side of the comparison. let find the other side.

(A) equivalent to the enrollment of --- 80 mil people compared with enrollment. not a right comparison.

(B) the equivalent of those enrolled in --- 80 mil people compared with people enrolled. absurd.

(C) equal to those who are enrolled in --- 80 mil people compared with "those" again for individual people. absurd.

(D) as many as the enrollment of --- 80 mil people compared with "enrollment". quiet silly.

(E) as many as are enrolled in --- right comparison. 80 mil people compared with "as many as are enrolled".

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According to a study by the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching, companies in the United States are providing job training and general education for nearly eight million people, about equivalent to the enrollment of the nation’s four-year colleges and universities.


(A) equivalent to the enrollment of

(B) the equivalent of those enrolled in

(C) equal to those who are enrolled in

(D) as many as the enrollment of

(E) as many as are enrolled in


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According to a recent report by the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching, ''Corporate Classrooms: The Learning Business,'' American companies are providing job training and general education for nearly eight million people, about equivalent to the enrollment in the nation's four-year colleges and universities.


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(A) Compares quantity with process of enrolling
(B) Compares quantity with people
(C) Compares quantity with people
(D) Comparesincomparable things (quantity with process)
(E) The subject "people" has been omitted. The sentence is written in an analogous way. Hence (e).
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Hey GMATNinja
I have got two questions for you!

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According to a study by the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching, companies in the United States are providing job training and general education for nearly eight million people, about equivalent to the enrollment of the nation’s four-year colleges and universities.

(A) equivalent to the enrollment of
(B) the equivalent of those enrolled in
(C) equal to those who are enrolled in
(D) as many as the enrollment of
(E) as many as are enrolled in


Your explanation makes perfect sense. (as usual!)
But, the reason I eliminated other options was because of some other kind of ambiguity!
Lets make this a simple sentence first -
Companies are providing training to 8 people, about equivalent to the enrollment of the colleges.

I feel we are comparing the "companies" to the "enrollment". Obviously illogical and absurd!
Companies are providing training to 8 people
Equivalent to the training the enrollment provides to 8 people.

All the wrong options have a similar issue. (C) is comparing companies to students in my opinion.

Is my reasoning fine? :?

My other (definitely more important) question is - how can u have a food blog and not let us all know about it? :(
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Your explanation makes perfect sense. (as usual!)
But, the reason I eliminated other options was because of some other kind of ambiguity!
Lets make this a simple sentence first -
Companies are providing training to 8 people, about equivalent to the enrollment of the colleges.

I feel we are comparing the "companies" to the "enrollment". Obviously illogical and absurd!
Companies are providing training to 8 people
Equivalent to the training the enrollment provides to 8 people.

All the wrong options have a similar issue. (C) is comparing companies to students in my opinion.

Is my reasoning fine? :?

You're right that the comparison in your example is illogical, but I think the sentence is suggesting that the 8 people are equivalent to the enrollment. This also doesn't make any sense. The size of one population can be similar to the size of another population, but humans don't share characteristics with enrollments.

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My other (definitely more important) question is - how can u have a food blog and not let us all know about it?

Lol! It's mentioned in my forum signature, but so are a ton of other things. Those other things are general much more useful, so I can't blame anybody for missing the food blog link. :)
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This one is a classic, and it might make the top-ten list of questions that cause the most frustration in GMAT-land. It’s a comparison question, but with some ugly tweaks – and if you’re not really, really strict and literal with the meaning, you’ll get twisted up in this one. (And if you want more on comparisons, check out this YouTube video and this sequel.)

Before we get rolling: the sentence is clearly trying to compare the number of people who receive job training with the number of people who are enrolled in four-year colleges and universities. And plenty of the answer choices sound decent, but only one really conveys that meaning with precision.

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(A) equivalent to the enrollment of

So what’s being compared when we look strictly and literally at (A)? Basically, the sentence is saying that “eight million people” who receive job training from companies are “equivalent to the enrollment of the nation’s four-year colleges and universities.

Hm. That’s not quite right. The word “equivalent” generally suggests that two things are similar in quality or function, and “enrollment” generally refers to an entire group of students as a collective. So (A) is literally saying that the eight million people in job training are “similar in quality or function” to the collective group of students in universities.

And that doesn’t make any sense. We’re not saying that the groups of people are similar in quality; we’re trying to say that the groups have the same number of people.

So (A) is out.

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(B) the equivalent of those enrolled in

The word “those” always catches my eye, especially on comparison questions. “Those” is a plural pronoun, and in this case, “those” presumably refers to “people.”

So that gives us: “…eight million people (in job training), the equivalent of the people enrolled in the nation’s four-year colleges and universities.” Superficially, it’s nice that this compares “eight million people” in job training to “the people enrolled in… colleges and universities”, but we’re still saying that the two types of people are “equivalent” – again, roughly similar in quality or function. And that doesn’t make sense, for the same reasons as (A).

So (B) can be eliminated, too.

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(C) equal to those who are enrolled in

This one sounds better! Only trouble is, we don’t care about sound on SC.

Since “those” once again refers to “people”, we now have “eight million people (in job training), equal to the people who are enrolled in… colleges and universities.” This is really subtle, but this is telling us that the actual people in job training are “equal to” the actual people in colleges and universities.

Literally, that seems to making a social statement about equality among people in different situations in life. Personally, I like that sentiment, but it really has nothing to do with what the sentence is trying to say. The point isn’t that people in job training are “equal to” the people in universities; the sentence is trying to say that the number of people in each group is the same.

And since (C) doesn’t actually say that, we can get rid of it.

Since (D) and (E) are so similar, let’s line those two up side-by-side:

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(D) as many as the enrollment of
(E) as many as are enrolled in

Meaning-wise, the phrase “as many as” is a huge improvement over our options in (A), (B), and (C). It’s finally clear that we’re comparing the number of people in each group, so that’s great.

But (E) makes a little bit more sense than (D). Why? Well, the word “enrollment” generally refers to the collective group of students enrolled in colleges and universities, so (D) is saying that “eight million people” receiving training from companies are “as many as” the collective enrollment of colleges and universities. And that’s not quite right: it’s clearer to say that the “eight million people” is the same number of people as are enrolled in colleges and universities.

So (E) conveys the correct meaning just a little bit more clearly, and it's the best answer.

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