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23 Aug 2012, 07:02
It boils down to plan on practicing vs. in planning to practice.

Someone has to be more likely TO DO something and not more likely IN DOING something.
I believe the same concept works for AS LIKELY and also MORE LIKELY as well.

The funny thing I think most people would have been stumped with in this question is that the correct asnwer actually CHANGES the meaning of the ORIGINAL.

The author intends to say MORE LIKELY than which implied 5x times rather than 4x times
where as the correct answer changes that meaning to state 4x times. I think this is because the GMAT doesn't like the 4x more likely than format. It prefers a much simpler either 5x as likely as or the 4x as likely as.
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23 Aug 2012, 09:24
A) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice
- it should be AS likely.
(B) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing
- "who plan on praticing.." describes "other graduates".
(C) minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as are other graduates to plan on practicing
- CORRECT- uses "as likely as".
(D) it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice
- super wordy and awkward
(E) it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to practice
- really awkward sequence of wordiness

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23 Aug 2012, 13:03
It boils down to A or C

A: X is more likely than Y.................... in planning to practise.....

C : X is more likely than Y......................to plan in practising...... ( lets replace as likely with more likely)

X is more likely than Y.............( to do what?)..... = To plan ...( then some narratives wrt PLAN ie in practising in rural/urban......bla blal bla areas)

one more thing that can be mooted over :

thus Minority graduates can be as less or equal to BUT definitely not MORE than normal graduates in any act.

Leading to ............... AS LIKELY AS ......... and not MORE LIKELY THAN

Leading to C = my take.
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According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by the Association of American Medical Colleges, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.
(A) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice - apart from the highlighted error this sentence incorrectly compares "Minority graduates" (Noun) with "are other graduates" (Clause)
(B) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing -
(C) minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as other graduates to plan on practicing - Correct
(D) it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice - Same error as B
(E) it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to practice - Correct form is "As likely as"

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Hi Dhairya

According to GMAC and MGMAT, both idioms "plan on Verb-ing" and "plan to Verb" are correct.

According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by the Association of American Medical College, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.

1. minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice
Wrong. four time + more than ==> wrong in GMAT (see MGMAT Sentence correction, page 260)

2. minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing
Wrong. four time + more than ==> wrong in GMAT

3. minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as other graduates to plan on practicing
Correct.
- Four time + AS .... AS ==> correct comparison usage.
- Plan on VERB-ing ==> correct idiom.

4. it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice
Wrong. four time + more rather than ==> wrong in GMAT; In addition future tense "will" is not necessary.

5. it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to pratice
Wrong. As + than ==> wrong grammar.

Hope it's clear.
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Dhairya275 wrote:
According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by the Association of American Medical College, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.

1. minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice
2. minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing
3. minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as other graduates to plan on practicing
4. it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice
5. it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to pratice

Question : Is 'plan on' an idiom ? I guess 'plan to' is a more familiar usage

correct idiom usage:

more ....than (more....rather than =>wrong)... (more.....as=>wrong)
....likely....to (...likely ....in =>this is wrong)
as .....as (as.....than=>wrong)

1. minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice
WRONG.
likely ...IN ==>incorrect usage.

2. minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing
WRONG.
who plan on practicing is a modifier ,so sentence should make sense after removing this,but on removing it is not clear four times more likely what??

3. minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as other graduates to plan on practicing
CORRECT.

4. it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice
WRONG.
MORE..RATHER THAN =.incorrect.

5. it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to pratice
WRONG.
AS.....THAN =>incorrect usage.

plan -to ....and ......plan - on ==>both are correct usage.

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28 Aug 2013, 18:20
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Hi Dhairya

According to GMAC and MGMAT, both idioms "plan on Verb-ing" and "plan to Verb" are correct.

According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by the Association of American Medical College, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.

1. minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice
Wrong. four time + more than ==> wrong in GMAT (see MGMAT Sentence correction, page 260)

2. minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing
Wrong. four time + more than ==> wrong in GMAT

3. minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as other graduates to plan on practicing
Correct.
- Four time AS likely AS ==> correct comparison.
- Plan on VERB-ing ==> correct idiom.

4. it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice
Wrong. four time + more than ==> wrong in GMAT; In addition future tense "will" is not necessary.

5. it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to pratice
Wrong. As + than ==> wrong grammar.

Hope it's clear.

hi pghai ,

sorry to say..but both construction :
4 times more ...likely ...than
4 times as ..likely as

these both construction are correct in current context.

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29 Aug 2013, 11:05
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pqhai wrote:
hi pghai ,

sorry to say..but both construction :
4 times more ...likely ...than
4 times as ..likely as

these both construction are correct in current context.

http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/100 ... t1332.html
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/acc ... t5501.html

Hi blueseas.

Yes, you're correct. In terms of grammar, there is no problem with both constructions. But the structure "X times more likely/greater/.... than" creates ambiguity in terms of meaning, because "4 times more likely" may be "5 times as...as" or "6 times as...as".... Thus, MGMAT suggests us to avoid this structure in real tests. MGMAT's recommendations are not absolute rules as it says. GMAT is the game of GMAC, not MGMAT, but test takers will have more chances to get a correct answer by following MGMAT's suggestions.

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29 Aug 2013, 11:19
pqhai wrote:
Hi blueseas.

Yes, you're correct. In terms of grammar, there is no problem with both constructions. But the structure "X times more likely/greater/.... than" creates ambiguity in terms of meaning, because "4 times more likely" may be "5 times as...as" or "6 times as...as".... Thus, MGMAT suggests us to avoid this structure in real tests. MGMAT's recommendations are not absolute rules as it says. GMAT is the game of GMAC, not MGMAT, but test takers will have more chances to get a correct answer by following MGMAT's suggestions.

Thanks again mate.

Hi pghai,

what i meant to say that on the basis of this structure we cannot eliminate an option.

please refer below to GMAT PREP question:

A decade after initiating the nation's most comprehensive and aggressive antismoking program, per capita consumption of cigarettes in California declined from over 125 packs annually per person to about 60, a drop more than twice as great as in the nation as a whole.

A) per capita consumption of cigarettes in California declined from over 125 packs annually per person to about 60, a drop more than twice as great as

B) annual per capita consumption of cigarettes in California declined from over 125 packs to about 60, more than twice as great as that

C) California's annual per capita consumption of cigarettes declined from over 125 packs per person to about 60, more than twice as great as the drop

D) California has seen per capita consumption of cigarettes decline from over 125 packs annually to about 60, a drop more than twice as great as that

E) California has seen annual per capita consumption of cigarettes decline from over 125 packs per person to about 60, more than twice as great as that

the correct option is D.
It has almost similar structure.: more than twice as great as==>so GMAT doesnt assumes it wrong.
Although i agree that all option has same structure so we dont have choice ...but we can assume on basis of this that structure is not wrong.

sorry just wanted to share what i thought.
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29 Aug 2013, 11:37
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pqhai wrote:
Hi blueseas.

Yes, you're correct. In terms of grammar, there is no problem with both constructions. But the structure "X times more likely/greater/.... than" creates ambiguity in terms of meaning, because "4 times more likely" may be "5 times as...as" or "6 times as...as".... Thus, MGMAT suggests us to avoid this structure in real tests. MGMAT's recommendations are not absolute rules as it says. GMAT is the game of GMAC, not MGMAT, but test takers will have more chances to get a correct answer by following MGMAT's suggestions.

Thanks again mate.

Hi pghai,

what i meant to say that on the basis of this structure we cannot eliminate an option.

please refer below to GMAT PREP question:

A decade after initiating the nation's most comprehensive and aggressive antismoking program, per capita consumption of cigarettes in California declined from over 125 packs annually per person to about 60, a drop more than twice as great as in the nation as a whole.

A) per capita consumption of cigarettes in California declined from over 125 packs annually per person to about 60, a drop more than twice as great as

B) annual per capita consumption of cigarettes in California declined from over 125 packs to about 60, more than twice as great as that

C) California's annual per capita consumption of cigarettes declined from over 125 packs per person to about 60, more than twice as great as the drop

D) California has seen per capita consumption of cigarettes decline from over 125 packs annually to about 60, a drop more than twice as great as that

E) California has seen annual per capita consumption of cigarettes decline from over 125 packs per person to about 60, more than twice as great as that

the correct option is D.
It has almost similar structure.: more than twice as great as==>so GMAT doesnt assumes it wrong.
Although i agree that all option has same structure so we dont have choice ...but we can assume on basis of this that structure is not wrong.

sorry just wanted to share what i thought.
and you are always elcome.

regards

Your sharing is most welcome Yes, you're right. We should not eliminate answers just by the wordings. Understand the core of the question and intended meaning is always key. ==> You approach has no problem at all. Official Questions are always right. MGMAT Sentence Correction is just the reference book. If you see question #72 in the Verbal Supplement, the correct answer uses a structure "5 times greater than....". But it's correct. In short, GMAT is the game of GMAC. MGMAT just suggests us to avoid this structure, MGMAT does not disregard it though.

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According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by Association of American Medical College, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.

(A) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice
(B) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing
(C) minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as are other graduates to plan on practicing
(D) it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice
(E) it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to practice

According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by Association of American Medical College, minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as are other graduates to plan on practicing in socioeconomically deprived areas.

1. minority graduates are likely to plan on practicing in socioeconomically deprived areas.
2. other graduates are likely to plan on practicing in socioeconomically deprived areas.

Using comparison signal as <adj> as and combining 1 and 2, the sentence can be written as follows.

[ minority graduates] [ are ] [ nearly four times ] [as likely as] [other graduates] to plan on practicing in socioeconomically deprived areas.
However, option C uses the helping verb "are" again after "as".
Can we not omit the 'are' after "as" to make the sentence more concise?

Can any one explain sentence structure in option C.
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31 Aug 2015, 23:03
"...as likely as" just feels all kinds of wrong here. Can anyone link to actual usage of this idiom, I feel like I've never seen it written this way. Even substitution other numbers, it feels even more wrong.

two times as likely as...
ten times as likely as...
100 times as likely as...
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According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by the Association of American Medical College, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.

1. minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice
2. minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing
3. minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as other graduates to plan on practicing
4. it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice
5. it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to pratice

Question : Is 'plan on' an idiom ? I guess 'plan to' is a more familiar usage

Hi Experts @E-gmat

Could you please let me know what is the issue with option A? here we are comparing minority graduates with other graduates. is this just an idiom issue (more likely --to)?

option C is not changing the meaning as 4 times more likely = 5 times as likely as.

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According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by Association of American Medical College, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.

(A) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice

(B) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing

(C) minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as are other graduates to plan on practicing

(D) it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice

(E) it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to practice

GMATNinja & GMATNinjaTwo, Could you help to explain (A) versus (C)? Why we need the helping verb "are"?
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According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by Association of American Medical College, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.

(A) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice

(B) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing

(C) minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as are other graduates to plan on practicing

(D) it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice

(E) it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to practice

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Dear experts, mikemcgarry, MagooshExpert Carolyn,sayantanc2k, GMATNinjaTwo, GMATNinja
Anyone can help point out the error of answer choice D?
Honestly, I picked up D
But I have no idea what's wrong with it?

Here is an example,
It is more likely that he will get the job.
I think this example is correct.

D works similary, but D is more complex, the subject of that clause is a comparison -- minority graduates rather than other gradutes.

I didnot pick up D because plan on,

Have a nice day

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Dear experts, mikemcgarry, MagooshExpert Carolyn,sayantanc2k, GMATNinjaTwo, GMATNinja
Anyone can help point out the error of answer choice D?
Honestly, I picked up D
But I have no idea what's wrong with it?

Here is an example,
It is more likely that he will get the job.
I think this example is correct.

D works similary, but D is more complex, the subject of that clause is a comparison -- minority graduates rather than other gradutes.

I didnot pick up D because plan on,

Have a nice day

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Hi zoezhuyan!

The most obvious error in D) is "four times more likely that". When we are saying that something is a certain number of times as likely as something else, we need to use "as", not "more". If we use "more", then "four times more likely" actually means 5 times the probability (this has been explained by others above). Here, the intended meaning is four times the probability, which means we need to say "four times as likely". We can definitely say something like:

It is more likely that he will get the job.

But we CANNOT say:

It is ten times more likely that he will get the job.

When we're talking about numbers in regards to probabilities like this, we need to be more careful about our wording.

I hope that helps!
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zoezhuyan wrote:
Dear experts, mikemcgarry, MagooshExpert Carolyn,sayantanc2k, GMATNinjaTwo, GMATNinja
Anyone can help point out the error of answer choice D?
Honestly, I picked up D
But I have no idea what's wrong with it?

Here is an example,
It is more likely that he will get the job.
I think this example is correct.

D works similary, but D is more complex, the subject of that clause is a comparison -- minority graduates rather than other gradutes.

I didnot pick up D because plan on,

Have a nice day

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Hi zoezhuyan!

The most obvious error in D) is "four times more likely that". When we are saying that something is a certain number of times as likely as something else, we need to use "as", not "more". If we use "more", then "four times more likely" actually means 5 times the probability (this has been explained by others above). Here, the intended meaning is four times the probability, which means we need to say "four times as likely". We can definitely say something like:

It is more likely that he will get the job.

But we CANNOT say:

It is ten times more likely that he will get the job.

When we're talking about numbers in regards to probabilities like this, we need to be more careful about our wording.

I hope that helps! :-)
-Carolyn

Hi MagooshExpert Carolyn
Thanks so much for your explanation.

I thought the original sentence intends to mean 5 times , so I though it is ok that " it is nearly four times more likely that..."

But how should I catch that the original meaning is "4 times likely", rather than "5 times" or "4 times... more..." ?

Have a nice day
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zoezhuyan wrote:

Hi MagooshExpert Carolyn
Thanks so much for your explanation.

I thought the original sentence intends to mean 5 times , so I though it is ok that " it is nearly four times more likely that..."

But how should I catch that the original meaning is "4 times likely", rather than "5 times" or "4 times... more..." ?

Have a nice day
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Hi zoezhuyan,

Saying "4 times more likely than" is a very awkward way to say "5 times as likely", and so you can pretty safely assume that unless it's explicitly stated, the intention is "4 times as likely". You will probably never see "X times more likely" as a correct construction.

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