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It boils down to plan on practicing vs. in planning to practice.

Someone has to be more likely TO DO something and not more likely IN DOING something.
I believe the same concept works for AS LIKELY and also MORE LIKELY as well.

The funny thing I think most people would have been stumped with in this question is that the correct asnwer actually CHANGES the meaning of the ORIGINAL.

The author intends to say MORE LIKELY than which implied 5x times rather than 4x times
where as the correct answer changes that meaning to state 4x times. I think this is because the GMAT doesn't like the 4x more likely than format. It prefers a much simpler either 5x as likely as or the 4x as likely as.

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A) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice
- it should be AS likely.
(B) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing
- "who plan on praticing.." describes "other graduates".
(C) minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as are other graduates to plan on practicing
- CORRECT- uses "as likely as".
(D) it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice
- super wordy and awkward
(E) it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to practice
- really awkward sequence of wordiness

Answer is C

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New post 23 Aug 2012, 12:03
It boils down to A or C

A: X is more likely than Y.................... in planning to practise.....

C : X is more likely than Y......................to plan in practising...... ( lets replace as likely with more likely)


X is more likely than Y.............( to do what?)..... = To plan ...( then some narratives wrt PLAN ie in practising in rural/urban......bla blal bla areas)

one more thing that can be mooted over :

it compares graduates to minority graduates : So it implies normal graduates can do things much better than minority graduates

thus Minority graduates can be as less or equal to BUT definitely not MORE than normal graduates in any act.

Leading to ............... AS LIKELY AS ......... and not MORE LIKELY THAN

Leading to C = my take.

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According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by the Association of American Medical Colleges, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.
(A) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice - apart from the highlighted error this sentence incorrectly compares "Minority graduates" (Noun) with "are other graduates" (Clause)
(B) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing -
(C) minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as other graduates to plan on practicing - Correct
(D) it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice - Same error as B
(E) it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to practice - Correct form is "As likely as"

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Hi Dhairya

According to GMAC and MGMAT, both idioms "plan on Verb-ing" and "plan to Verb" are correct.

According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by the Association of American Medical College, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.

1. minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice
Wrong. four time + more than ==> wrong in GMAT (see MGMAT Sentence correction, page 260)

2. minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing
Wrong. four time + more than ==> wrong in GMAT

3. minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as other graduates to plan on practicing
Correct.
- Four time + AS .... AS ==> correct comparison usage.
- Plan on VERB-ing ==> correct idiom.

4. it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice
Wrong. four time + more rather than ==> wrong in GMAT; In addition future tense "will" is not necessary.

5. it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to pratice
Wrong. As + than ==> wrong grammar.

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According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by the Association of American Medical College, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.

1. minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice
2. minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing
3. minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as other graduates to plan on practicing
4. it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice
5. it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to pratice


Question : Is 'plan on' an idiom ? I guess 'plan to' is a more familiar usage


correct idiom usage:

more ....than (more....rather than =>wrong)... (more.....as=>wrong)
....likely....to (...likely ....in =>this is wrong)
as .....as (as.....than=>wrong)


1. minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice
WRONG.
likely ...IN ==>incorrect usage.

2. minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing
WRONG.
who plan on practicing is a modifier ,so sentence should make sense after removing this,but on removing it is not clear four times more likely what??

3. minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as other graduates to plan on practicing
CORRECT.

4. it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice
WRONG.
MORE..RATHER THAN =.incorrect.

5. it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to pratice
WRONG.
AS.....THAN =>incorrect usage.


plan -to ....and ......plan - on ==>both are correct usage.

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Hi Dhairya

According to GMAC and MGMAT, both idioms "plan on Verb-ing" and "plan to Verb" are correct.

According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by the Association of American Medical College, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.

1. minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice
Wrong. four time + more than ==> wrong in GMAT (see MGMAT Sentence correction, page 260)

2. minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing
Wrong. four time + more than ==> wrong in GMAT

3. minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as other graduates to plan on practicing
Correct.
- Four time AS likely AS ==> correct comparison.
- Plan on VERB-ing ==> correct idiom.

4. it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice
Wrong. four time + more than ==> wrong in GMAT; In addition future tense "will" is not necessary.

5. it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to pratice
Wrong. As + than ==> wrong grammar.

Hope it's clear.


hi pghai ,

sorry to say..but both construction :
4 times more ...likely ...than
4 times as ..likely as


these both construction are correct in current context.

please refer here:
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/100 ... t1332.html
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/acc ... t5501.html
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pqhai wrote:
hi pghai ,

sorry to say..but both construction :
4 times more ...likely ...than
4 times as ..likely as


these both construction are correct in current context.

please refer here:
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http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/acc ... t5501.html


Hi blueseas.

Yes, you're correct. In terms of grammar, there is no problem with both constructions. But the structure "X times more likely/greater/.... than" creates ambiguity in terms of meaning, because "4 times more likely" may be "5 times as...as" or "6 times as...as".... Thus, MGMAT suggests us to avoid this structure in real tests. MGMAT's recommendations are not absolute rules as it says. GMAT is the game of GMAC, not MGMAT, but test takers will have more chances to get a correct answer by following MGMAT's suggestions.

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pqhai wrote:
Hi blueseas.

Yes, you're correct. In terms of grammar, there is no problem with both constructions. But the structure "X times more likely/greater/.... than" creates ambiguity in terms of meaning, because "4 times more likely" may be "5 times as...as" or "6 times as...as".... Thus, MGMAT suggests us to avoid this structure in real tests. MGMAT's recommendations are not absolute rules as it says. GMAT is the game of GMAC, not MGMAT, but test takers will have more chances to get a correct answer by following MGMAT's suggestions.

Thanks again mate. :)


Hi pghai,

what i meant to say that on the basis of this structure we cannot eliminate an option.

please refer below to GMAT PREP question:

A decade after initiating the nation's most comprehensive and aggressive antismoking program, per capita consumption of cigarettes in California declined from over 125 packs annually per person to about 60, a drop more than twice as great as in the nation as a whole.

A) per capita consumption of cigarettes in California declined from over 125 packs annually per person to about 60, a drop more than twice as great as

B) annual per capita consumption of cigarettes in California declined from over 125 packs to about 60, more than twice as great as that

C) California's annual per capita consumption of cigarettes declined from over 125 packs per person to about 60, more than twice as great as the drop

D) California has seen per capita consumption of cigarettes decline from over 125 packs annually to about 60, a drop more than twice as great as that

E) California has seen annual per capita consumption of cigarettes decline from over 125 packs per person to about 60, more than twice as great as that

the correct option is D.
It has almost similar structure.: more than twice as great as==>so GMAT doesnt assumes it wrong.
Although i agree that all option has same structure so we dont have choice ...but we can assume on basis of this that structure is not wrong.

sorry just wanted to share what i thought.
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blueseas wrote:
pqhai wrote:
Hi blueseas.

Yes, you're correct. In terms of grammar, there is no problem with both constructions. But the structure "X times more likely/greater/.... than" creates ambiguity in terms of meaning, because "4 times more likely" may be "5 times as...as" or "6 times as...as".... Thus, MGMAT suggests us to avoid this structure in real tests. MGMAT's recommendations are not absolute rules as it says. GMAT is the game of GMAC, not MGMAT, but test takers will have more chances to get a correct answer by following MGMAT's suggestions.

Thanks again mate. :)


Hi pghai,

what i meant to say that on the basis of this structure we cannot eliminate an option.

please refer below to GMAT PREP question:

A decade after initiating the nation's most comprehensive and aggressive antismoking program, per capita consumption of cigarettes in California declined from over 125 packs annually per person to about 60, a drop more than twice as great as in the nation as a whole.

A) per capita consumption of cigarettes in California declined from over 125 packs annually per person to about 60, a drop more than twice as great as

B) annual per capita consumption of cigarettes in California declined from over 125 packs to about 60, more than twice as great as that

C) California's annual per capita consumption of cigarettes declined from over 125 packs per person to about 60, more than twice as great as the drop

D) California has seen per capita consumption of cigarettes decline from over 125 packs annually to about 60, a drop more than twice as great as that

E) California has seen annual per capita consumption of cigarettes decline from over 125 packs per person to about 60, more than twice as great as that

the correct option is D.
It has almost similar structure.: more than twice as great as==>so GMAT doesnt assumes it wrong.
Although i agree that all option has same structure so we dont have choice ...but we can assume on basis of this that structure is not wrong.

sorry just wanted to share what i thought.
and you are always elcome. :)

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Your sharing is most welcome :) Yes, you're right. We should not eliminate answers just by the wordings. Understand the core of the question and intended meaning is always key. ==> You approach has no problem at all. Official Questions are always right. MGMAT Sentence Correction is just the reference book. If you see question #72 in the Verbal Supplement, the correct answer uses a structure "5 times greater than....". But it's correct. :cry: In short, GMAT is the game of GMAC. MGMAT just suggests us to avoid this structure, MGMAT does not disregard it though.

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According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by Association of American Medical College, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.

(A) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice
(B) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing
(C) minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as are other graduates to plan on practicing
(D) it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice
(E) it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to practice




According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by Association of American Medical College, minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as are other graduates to plan on practicing in socioeconomically deprived areas.

1. minority graduates are likely to plan on practicing in socioeconomically deprived areas.
2. other graduates are likely to plan on practicing in socioeconomically deprived areas.

Using comparison signal as <adj> as and combining 1 and 2, the sentence can be written as follows.

[ minority graduates] [ are ] [ nearly four times ] [as likely as] [other graduates] to plan on practicing in socioeconomically deprived areas.
However, option C uses the helping verb "are" again after "as".
Can we not omit the 'are' after "as" to make the sentence more concise?

Can any one explain sentence structure in option C.

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"...as likely as" just feels all kinds of wrong here. Can anyone link to actual usage of this idiom, I feel like I've never seen it written this way. Even substitution other numbers, it feels even more wrong.

two times as likely as...
ten times as likely as...
100 times as likely as...

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According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by the Association of American Medical College, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.

1. minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice
2. minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing
3. minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as other graduates to plan on practicing
4. it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice
5. it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to pratice


Question : Is 'plan on' an idiom ? I guess 'plan to' is a more familiar usage


Hi Experts @E-gmat

Could you please let me know what is the issue with option A? here we are comparing minority graduates with other graduates. is this just an idiom issue (more likely --to)?

option C is not changing the meaning as 4 times more likely = 5 times as likely as.

Please clarify.


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According to a survey of graduating medical students conducted by Association of American Medical College, minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice in socioeconomically deprived areas.

(A) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than are other graduates in planning to practice

(B) minority graduates are nearly four times more likely than other graduates who plan on practicing

(C) minority graduates are nearly four times as likely as are other graduates to plan on practicing

(D) it is nearly four times more likely that minority graduates rather than other graduates will plan to practice

(E) it is nearly four times as likely for minority graduates than other graduates to plan to practice

GMATNinja & GMATNinjaTwo, Could you help to explain (A) versus (C)? Why we need the helping verb "are"?
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