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According to his own account, Frederic-Auguste Bartholdi,

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VeritasPrepBrian wrote:
Hey Rath's - you're absolutely correct that the possessive "mother's" refers to the face, so A would be correct were it not for the meaning of "modeled like" vs. "modeled after". "Modeled like" means that he did the modeling in a way that the mother's face would have, and that's not a logical meaning. "Modeled after" means that he made the face look like that of the mother's.

I hate saying that it's an idiomatic thing because it's really more of a meaning issue, but I do think that it's one of those questions that may have been fair 10-15 years ago when it was an American test but that may not be all that fair in the >50%-of-tests-taken-outside-the-US days. I just don't know how common it is for international students to note that particular distinction. But you should know that meaning issues are very testable, so the ideology behind that question is definitely fair game.

Hi Brian
I have a question.
I understand the subtlely between Modeled Like and Modeled After.
But in this question we are just comparing the nouns(Statue face like mother's face) and not the action of modeling.
Please correct my understanding.


Infact please let us know which one of them is the correct meaning.
1) modeled the face of the statue like his mother’s
In this I am taking away the meaning that he modeled something that looked like his mother's face.
2)modeled the face of the statue like his mother’s
In this I am taking away the meaning that he modeled the face like he modeled his mother's face.

Thanks


Hi,
i dont think the meaning would be either...
the meaning that would come out of this isHe modelled the face of the statue as his mother's face would have modelled the face of the statue
in GMAT, like always gives comparison between two nouns...
example i, like my mother, enjoy to spend quiet evenings...
now lets look at the two meanings you have assumed..

1) modeled the face of the statue like his mother’s
In this I am taking away the meaning that he modeled something that looked like his mother's face.
the correct sentence construction to mean what you say would be
modeled the face of the statue similar to his mother’s or modeled the face of the statue that was similar to his mother’s

2)modeled the face of the statue like his mother’s
In this I am taking away the meaning that he modeled the face like he modeled his mother's face.
keeping the logic at the meaning away, the sentence would be
...like will get replaced with as.. as he modelled his mothers..
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VeritasPrepBrian wrote:
Hey Rath's - you're absolutely correct that the possessive "mother's" refers to the face, so A would be correct were it not for the meaning of "modeled like" vs. "modeled after". "Modeled like" means that he did the modeling in a way that the mother's face would have, and that's not a logical meaning. "Modeled after" means that he made the face look like that of the mother's.

I hate saying that it's an idiomatic thing because it's really more of a meaning issue, but I do think that it's one of those questions that may have been fair 10-15 years ago when it was an American test but that may not be all that fair in the >50%-of-tests-taken-outside-the-US days. I just don't know how common it is for international students to note that particular distinction. But you should know that meaning issues are very testable, so the ideology behind that question is definitely fair game.

Hi Brian
I have a question.
I understand the subtlely between Modeled Like and Modeled After.
But in this question we are just comparing the nouns(Statue face like mother's face) and not the action of modeling.
Please correct my understanding.


Infact please let us know which one of them is the correct meaning.
1) modeled the face of the statue like his mother’s
In this I am taking away the meaning that he modeled something that looked like his mother's face.
2)modeled the face of the statue like his mother’s
In this I am taking away the meaning that he modeled the face like he modeled his mother's face.

Thanks


Hi,
i dont think the meaning would be either...
the meaning that would come out of this isHe modelled the face of the statue as his mother's face would have modelled the face of the statue
in GMAT, like always gives comparison between two nouns...
example i, like my mother, enjoy to spend quiet evenings...
now lets look at the two meanings you have assumed..

1) modeled the face of the statue like his mother’s
In this I am taking away the meaning that he modeled something that looked like his mother's face.
the correct sentence construction to mean what you say would be
modeled the face of the statue similar to his mother’s or modeled the face of the statue that was similar to his mother’s

2)modeled the face of the statue like his mother’s
In this I am taking away the meaning that he modeled the face like he modeled his mother's face.
keeping the logic at the meaning away, the sentence would be
...like will get replaced with as.. as he modelled his mothers..

Thanks Chetan
So I agree with your statement that we use noun or noun phrases to go with Like.
and this construction is perfectly clear "He modelled the face of the statue as his mother's face would have modelled the face of the statue".
you are using "AS" to compare one clause with another.

But as per my interpretation , I was using like to compare the object of 1st clause i.e "face of the statue" with "mother's face.

I know I am wrong, but how do I distinguish this in actual GMAT ?
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Thanks Chetan
So I agree with your statement that we use noun or noun phrases to go with Like.
and this construction is perfectly clear "He modelled the face of the statue as his mother's face would have modelled the face of the statue".
you are using "AS" to compare one clause with another.

But as per my interpretation , I was using like to compare the object of 1st clause i.e "face of the statue" with "mother's face.

I know I am wrong, but how do I distinguish this in actual GMAT ?


Hi,
firstly the placement of like would have been better if it was close to he.. he like her mother...

next on the Q why we cannot compare to face of the statue ..
i think like, in the present usage, should compare two subjects and not objects..
It just not sound correct when comparing two objects..
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282552 wrote:
Thanks Chetan
So I agree with your statement that we use noun or noun phrases to go with Like.
and this construction is perfectly clear "He modelled the face of the statue as his mother's face would have modelled the face of the statue".
you are using "AS" to compare one clause with another.

But as per my interpretation , I was using like to compare the object of 1st clause i.e "face of the statue" with "mother's face.

I know I am wrong, but how do I distinguish this in actual GMAT ?


Hi,
firstly the placement of like would have been better if it was close to he.. he like her mother...

next on the Q why we cannot compare to face of the statue ..
i think like, in the present usage, should compare two subjects and not objects..
It just not sound correct when comparing two objects..

So how do we decide whether to consider Object or Subject in real GMAT questions. or is it a general rule that we should never consider Objects
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This doesn't look like a GMAT question. The OA looks wrong. Check out the meaning of the statement. Are we saying he modeled the face of the sculpture after modeling the mother's face and then modeled the body after modeling his wife's body?

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i too eliminated "B" for same reason
"A" conveys meaning properly but lacks parallelism.
If i am not wrong even "C" distorts meaning
"modeled the face like his mother" <== conveys he modeled the face the way he did his mother's

expect..please help guys



I would like to explain you.
C D E can be easily eliminated on the basis of wrong comparison.The face cant be compared to mother or body cant be compared to wife.
Left with A and B.
In A the comparison is ambiguous because it is not complete. As it says face compared to his mother's---??
Mother's what...??? More over as pointed in above posts you cant compare the face with statue.
In B it says directly and the sentence has parallel structure too. Please note it doesnt say that face was made after he made his mother's face but it means the mother's face was some kind of inspiration for his statue's face or he made statue's face some what similar to that of his mother.
Hope it is clear!

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"Model X after Y" is idiomatically correct.

"Model X like Y" sounds strange. So, (B) is correct.
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IMO B

Modeled the face when used with 'like' should be compared to other modeled face not the face itself.
otherwise it should be modeled after the face
Hence, A and C is wrong


D) made after is incorrect in the sentence
E) it should be look like his mother's face and so on. Modeled face can't look like his mother but like his mother's face.

So B stands.


But in A But in A modeled face is compared to other modeled face only as per my understanding because of the use of apostrophe.
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IMO B

Modeled the face when used with 'like' should be compared to other modeled face not the face itself.
otherwise it should be modeled after the face
Hence, A and C is wrong


D) made after is incorrect in the sentence
E) it should be look like his mother's face and so on. Modeled face can't look like his mother but like his mother's face.

So B stands.


But in A But in A modeled face is compared to other modeled face only as per my understanding because of the use of apostrophe.


Option A is wrong not because of comparison issue, but because of wrong idiomatic usage " modeled like". The correct usage is "modeled after".
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According to his own account, Frederic-Auguste Bartholdi, the sculptor of the Statue of Liberty, modeled the face of the statue like his mother's and the body like his wife's.

(A) modeled the face of the statue like his mother's and the body like his wife's
(B) modeled the face of the statue after that of his mother and the body after that of his wife
(C) modeled the face of the statue like his mother and the body like his wife
(D) made the face of the statue after his mother and the body after his wife
(E) made the face of the statue look like his mother and the body look like his wife

Could you include explanation too. Thanks.


"modeled the face of the statue after his mother's and the body of the statue after his wife's"- Is this a correct sentence?

After All, mother's = mother's face and hence the face of the statue is being correctly compared to mother's face and the same goes with wife's where wife's= wife's body and it being correctly compared to statue's body.
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Choice B.

Modelled after is the correct idiom.
after that (face) of his mother - correct structure.
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According to his own account, Frederic-¬Auguste Bartholdi, the sculptor of the Statue of Liberty, modeled the face of the statue after that of his mother and the body after that of his wife.

Option B is correct since "like" is wrongly used and "that" acts as a pronoun.
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