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37. According to public health officials, in 1998 Massachusetts became the first state in which more babies were born to women over the age of thirty than under it.

A. than
B. than born
C. than they were
D. than there had been
E. than had been born

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Under it refers to under the age of thirty.
A – Parallel. Over the age Vs under it. It refers to “age of thirty”
B – Not parallel. Eliminate
C – same as B. They could refer to women or babies. Eliminate
D – Not parallel . There refers to ? . Eliminate
E – Not parallel. Eliminate

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As per me this would be more accurate, even not present in the options -"more babies were born to women over the age of thirty than to those under it.
We are comparing number of babies born to women above thirty to number of babies born to women below 30.

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37. According to public health officials, in 1998 Massachusetts became the first state in which more babies were born to women over the age of thirty than under it.

A. than
B. than born
C. than they were
D. than there had been
E. than had been born

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I could not get the OA of this question...can u plz explain it,,,

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Fill the omitted section:

According to public health officials, in 1998 Massachusetts became the first state in which more babies were born to women over the age of thirty than to women under it.

As in : In the party, more candies were given to X than to Y.

None of the options other than A fit in. We don't need to repeat babes/candies or born/given. We are comparing Women Above age 30 and Women Under Age 30.
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Under it refers to under the age of thirty.
A – Parallel. Over the age Vs under it. It refers to “age of thirty” Keep
B – Not parallel. Eliminate
C – same as B. They could refer to women or babies. Eliminate
D – Not parallel . There refers to ? . Eliminate
E – Not parallel. Eliminate

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According to public health officials, in 1998 Massachusetts became the first state in which more babies were born to women over the age of thirty than under it.

A. than
B. than born
C. than they were
D. than there had been
E. than had been born

I could eliminate some of these from the meaning alone, but this was a tough question.


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Could someone explain why Bis wrong for me


The best way to approach in retrospect to this problem is to rearrange the sentence, but while initially analyzing the problem I thought hmm we will think of anything after *more* as having to be parallel and so I chose B
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Hi,

This is a tricky one. I think what helps differentiate the answers is to think about what the comparison is: Women under the age of thirty VS. Women over the age of thirty

And the structure is: More X than Y

or with the story filled in: More Women over the age thirty than under the age of thirty


The other thing that helps is to fill in the noun/noun phrase that the pronoun "it" is replacing. Replacing pronouns is often helpful in SC. It's good to make this a habit.

Answer B is wrong because you have were born on one side of the comparison and only born on the other side. You need to have were born on both sides or nothing at all (in this case the were born is distributed to the second half of the comparison). It's a bit like a list in which you can have the bar, the plane, and the floor or the bar, plane, and floor but not the plane, bar, and the floor. Either you need to have every element or just let the first element distribute. In general, you cannot mix and match.

Another strategy here is to re-arrange the sentence: More babies were born to woman over the age of thirty than (were born to) woman under the age of thirty in the state of Mass. in 1998.

Let me know if you need more advice on this one.

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This is a tricky one. I think what helps differentiate the answers is to think about what the comparison is: Women under the age of thirty VS. Women over the age of thirty

And the structure is: More X than Y

or with the story filled in: More Women over the age thirty than under the age of thirty


The other thing that helps is to fill in the noun/noun phrase that the pronoun "it" is replacing. Replacing pronouns is often helpful in SC. It's good to make this a habit.

Answer B is wrong because you have were born on one side of the comparison and only born on the other side. You need to have were born on both sides or nothing at all (in this case the were born is distributed to the second half of the comparison). It's a bit like a list in which you can have the bar, the plane, and the floor or the bar, plane, and floor but not the plane, bar, and the floor. Either you need to have every element or just let the first element distribute. In general, you cannot mix and match.

Another strategy here is to re-arrange the sentence: [/b[b]]More babies were born to woman over the age of thirty than (were born to) woman under the age of thirty in the state of Mass. in 1998.

Let me know if you need more advice on this one.

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Hmmm how could you simply imply the 'were born to' in the second half of the sentence? Are you saying the first were born to is the first and only element to be distributed? But that phrase 'were born to' is after more (within the idiotmatic construction)
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Hi,

I hope that you are well. I'm not exactly sure what your question is but let's take a look at another example:

In 2013 more profits were earned by Coca Cola than were earned by Pepsi

Were earned by CC is parallel to Were earned by Pepsi

In 2013 more profits were earned by Coca Cola than by Pepsi
By CC is parallel to By Pepsi and the were earned applies to both

In 2013 more profits were earned by Coca Cola than earned by Pepsi
Were earned by CC is NOT parallel to earned by Pepsi

The first two are equivalent. The last is incorrect and very similar to answer choice B.

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I hope that you are well. I'm not exactly sure what your question is but let's take a look at another example:

In 2013 more profits were earned by Coca Cola than were earned by Pepsi

Were earned by CC is parallel to Were earned by Pepsi

In 2013 more profits were earned by Coca Cola than by Pepsi
By CC is parallel to By Pepsi and the were earned applies to both

In 2013 more profits were earned by Coca Cola than earned by Pepsi
Were earned by CC is NOT parallel to earned by Pepsi

The first two are equivalent. The last is incorrect and very similar to answer choice B.

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How about the answer choice E? I think this implies that the two events (over under 30) occured at two different points whereas we are focused on the change. Hence these two events should be in the same tense? Gramatically (excluding tense) it seems fine though, no?
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According to public health officials, in 1998 Massachusetts became the first state in which more babies were born to women over the age of thirty than under it.

It is important to understand the intended meaning of the sentence.
• This sentence presents comparison. We need to find out what are the entities that are compared here.
• In 1998, Massachusetts became the first state in which more babies were born to woman who were over the age of 30 than to those woman who were under the age of 30.
• The entities compared here the woman over 30 and woman under 30.

Now let’s see what the Errors are in this sentence:
Now there is just one word underlined in this sentence. The idiom used in this sentence is “…more babies are born to X than Y”. Here X and Y should be parallel.
X = woman over the age of thirty (noun phrase)
Y = (woman) under it (it = the age of thirty)
Since bot the entities are parallel here, there is no error in this sentence.

PoE:

A. than: Correct for the reason stated above.

B. than born: Incorrect. This choice leads to illogical comparison. Per this choice, entity Y = (babies) born under it (it = the age of thirty). This means the babies were under the age of 30. This is absolutely non-sensical.

C. than they were: Incorrect. Firstly, pronoun “they” is ambiguous here. If “they” refers to “babies”, then also it leads to illogical meaning and if “they” refers to “women”, then also lead to illogical meaning.

D. than there had been: Incorrect. This choice uses the incorrect verb tense as well as presents illogical comparison.

E. than had been born: Inocrrect. This choice repeats the verb tense error of choice D and illogical comparison error of choice B.

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Well, the events did not happen one before the other but at the same time so the past perfect is incorrect. You should always question the use of the perfect tense and make sure that the order of the events is important to the meaning of the sentence. You can have a bunch of different events happening in the past and all of them can be in the past simple.

Even excusing the tense the meaning is obscured because it would seem that babies were born under 30 and not that the babies were born to women under thirty.

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Thanks so much you two

Basically we need to use this paradigm
In 2013 more profits were earned by Coca Cola than by Pepsi
By CC is parallel to By Pepsi and the were earned applies to both

Choice B repeats the last paradigm (incorrect parallelism)

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It will go for A

Here we are comparing ages --- over 30 and below 30 --- Also IT refers to 30

A. than ---- correct comparision --- more babies were born to women (over 30 than under 30) --- meaning is clear
B. than born ---- to maintain parallesism --- than were born to women under 30----- would be correct.
C. than they were --- not parallel --- than they were under it (is wrong)
D. than there had been --- not parallel ---- wrong use of past perfect
E. than had been born -- incorrect comparison --- had been is wrong --- we are not refering to one event in past that has ocured before another past event ----- both events in the past

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two threads were merged together here that shouldn't have been.

Some people are answering based off of the subject "women delivered" while others off of "babies were born to"

that small difference completely changes the answer, please delink these two threads because it's very confusing.

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It will go for A

Here we are comparing ages --- over 30 and below 30 --- Also IT refers to 30

A. than ---- correct comparision --- more babies were born to women (over 30 than under 30) --- meaning is clear
B. than born ---- to maintain parallesism --- than were born to women under 30----- would be correct.
C. than they were --- not parallel --- than they were under it (is wrong)
D. than there had been --- not parallel ---- wrong use of past perfect
E. than had been born -- incorrect comparison --- had been is wrong --- we are not refering to one event in past that has ocured before another past event ----- both events in the past


The OA for the question you're answering is (I believe) E.

More modifies babies, not women, but under 30 modifies women, so you need more info.

The other question in this thread has "women" I the subject, in which case A is the OA.

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1. than
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3. than they were
4. than they had been
5. than had been born

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Note:
- see the word "it" at the end of the sentence. "it" refers to what? Clearly, "it" refers to "thirty" ==> The comparison should be "women over thirty" vs "women under thirty".
- When see a comparison, be aware of "middle man" - a noun/noun phrase between two people/things being compared.


According to public health officials, in 1998 Massachusetts became the first state in which more babies were born to women over the age of thirty than [to women] under it.

1. than
Correct. Comparison "women over thirty" vs "women under thirty" (under "it"); "over" vs "under.

2. than born
Wrong. ambiguous. Because of the "middle man" - women ==> the meaning may be changed to "more babies were born to women over thirty than (women) born under it

3. than they were
Wrong. "they" refers to who? babies or women?

4. than they had been
Wrong. Same problem as in (3). "they" is not clear.

5. than had been born
Wrong. Same as in (2). Because of the middle man - women, the intended meaning may be distorted.

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According to public health officials, in 1998 Massachusetts became the first state in which more babies were born to women over the age of thirty than under it.

1. than
2. than born
3. than they were
4. than they had been
5. than had been born

Explanation please !!


Yes, this is an apples vs oranges question.

"more babies were born to X than Y"

x = women over 30
y = women under 30

No need to mention the verb "born" in the answer choices - so the simplest one works.

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