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For such questions it is always good to cut the crap and make your own simple small sentences to predict the balance of comparison.

I have more chocolates than you (have).

B. wild animals have less total fat than livestock (have) : thus a noun + verb is expected to balance the comparison.
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wild animals have less total fat than wild animals livestock fed on grain

In the above sentence, do you get any logical meaning? What are you comparing with?

A comparison becomes ambiguous only if it gives two logical meaning.

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Isn't B ambiguous?
I mean, it could both mean:
wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain have
or
wild animals have less total fat than wild animals livestock fed on grain

Logically, we know that the first one is correct, but it is still ambiguous.




wild animals have less total fat than wild animals livestock fed on grain

In the above sentence, do you get any logical meaning? What are you comparing with?

A comparison becomes ambiguous only if it gives two logical meaning.

Example- Farhan has more fascination to money than his wife

Two meaning-- 1. Farhan has more fascination to money than his wife has fascination to money
2. Farhan has more fascination to money than he has fascination to his wife
In the example both the sentences give logical meaning. So, the main sentence is ambiguous.

But--- If we say -- Farhan eats more fruits than his wife
1. Farhan eats more fruits than his wife eats fruits
2. Farhan eats more fruits than he eats his wife---- Illogical.
So this sentence is not ambiguous.

For the same reason B is not incorrect.

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A. wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is
-> There is no referent of they.

B. wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be
-> Correct - the comparison is correct. We are comparing Wild animals to livestock.

C. wild animals have less total fat than that of livestock fed on grain and have more fat of a kind thought to be

The that here refers to the fat and if we put it back in the original sentence the sentence becomes
Wild animals have less total fat than fat of livestock .....
-> comparing wild animals to fat.

D. total fat of wild animals is less than livestock fed on grain and they have more fat of a kind thought to be
-> Total fat compared to livestock

E. total fat is less in wild animals than that of livestock fed on grain and more of their fat is of a kind they think is
-> no referent of they and this choice is way too wordy.
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A. wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is --- they has no proper antecedent

B. wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be ------ the correct choice with proper comparison and with no pronoun problems

C. wild animals have less total fat than that of livestock fed on grain and have more fat of a kind thought to be --- comparison between wild animals and that of meaning ‘total fat’ is wrong

D. total fat of wild animals is less than livestock fed on grain and they have more fat of a kind thought to be -- comparison between total fat and livestock is wrong.

E. total fat is less in wild animals than that of livestock fed on grain and more of their fat is of a kind they think is --They has no referent.
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Compare wild animals to livestock,

C. compares wild animals (themselves) to the fat (of livestock) and is therefore wrong.

I got B. is that correct?



I think the interpretation of B is as:

Wild animal has X and Y

X= total fat & Y = livestock fed on grains.

Hence B say : Wild animals has less total fat than livestock fed grain. in this case , B is wrong.

please throw some light on it.

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Compare wild animals to livestock,

C. compares wild animals (themselves) to the fat (of livestock) and is therefore wrong.

I got B. is that correct?



I think the interpretation of B is as:

Wild animal has X and Y

X= total fat & Y = livestock fed on grains.

Hence B say : Wild animals has less total fat than livestock fed grain. in this case , B is wrong.

please throw some light on it.


Wild animal has less fat than Domestic animals - Comparison between wild and domestic animal. Which is correct.
The fat of wild animal is less than Domestic animal - Wrong comparison. Here the fat is compared with the Domestic animal.
The fat of wild animal is less than that of Domestic animal - Correct comparison. Here the fat of Wild animal compared with fat of domestic animal.

Option 'C' can be treated as redundant.

Rosy is more tall than that of Nancy ---> Rosy is more tall than tall of nancy --(Doesn't make sense.) Here the object that we are comparing falls inside the comparison statement "MORE.. THAN". Hence its clear and there is no ambiguity in comparison. But the right comparison is "Rosy is more tall than nancy is" . If both the verbs are going to be the same we can ignore. Hence we can say " Rosy is more tall than Nancy".

Laos has a land area about the same as Great Britain --> Here if you saw the object of the sentence "THE LAND AREA" is not presented inside any comparison term. In that case we can say that the OBJECT is compared with the SUBJECT. Here the LAND AREA is compared with the GREAT BRITAIN which is wrong. Here the usage of that makes sense. [http://gmatclub.com/forum/laos-has-a-land-area-about-the-same-as-great-britain-but-107156.html]

If the same has been stated as "Laos has more land area than Great Britain" - Correct comparison.

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OA is B according to eGMAT.

The question is from OG 16, nº116.

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dave785 wrote:
Compare wild animals to livestock,

C. compares wild animals (themselves) to the fat (of livestock) and is therefore wrong.

I got B. is that correct?



but I think in B , the comparison seems between the total fat and live stock.

please clarify.


It is allowed to omit the repeated part from the second element of comparison,even verbs, if the meaning is clear.

Wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain (have).

However on certain occasions this dropping of repeated element is not correct:

I love sweets more than Jina.

The above sentence can have two meanings:

I love sweets. I love Jina. But I love sweets more than I love Jina.
I love sweets. Jina love sweets. But I love sweets more than Jina does.

However such ambiguity is not there in option B, and hence the verb can be dropped since the alternative " Wild animals have less total fat than (they have) livestock fed on grain" would be senseless.

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According to recent studies comparing the nutritional value of meat from wild animals and meat from domesticated animals, wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is good for cardiac health.

A. wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is

B. wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be

C. wild animals have less total fat than that of livestock fed on grain and have more fat of a kind thought to be

D. total fat of wild animals is less than livestock fed on grain and they have more fat of a kind thought to be

E. total fat is less in wild animals than that of livestock fed on grain and more of their fat is of a kind they think is

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This question tests comparison concepts.
We need to find the option that correctly compares the wild animals with the livestock or fat with fat.
On checking the options

We can remove options C and D
The options A and E contain "they" that has no clear referent.

The choice that removes all these errors is option B
Correct option: B
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According to recent studies comparing the nutritional value of meat from wild animals and meat from domesticated animals, wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is good for cardiac health.

Wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain.
Further, wild animals have a kind of fat that is considered good for cardiac health.

A. wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is

B. wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be => correct

C. wild animals have less total fat than that of livestock fed on grain and have more fat of a kind thought to be : if you rephrase it: wild animals have less total fat than fat of livestock fed on grain and have more fat of a kind thought to be

D. total fat of wild animals is less than livestock fed on grain and they have more fat of a kind thought to be

E. total fat is less in wild animals than that of livestock fed on grain and more of their fat is of a kind they think is

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According to recent studies comparing the nutritional value of meat from wild animals and meat from domesticated animals, wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is good for cardiac health.

A. wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is

B. wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be

C. wild animals have less total fat than that of livestock fed on grain and have more fat of a kind thought to be

D. total fat of wild animals is less than livestock fed on grain and they have more fat of a kind thought to be

E. total fat is less in wild animals than that of livestock fed on grain and more of their fat is of a kind they think is


Hi Expert,
can you help me by finding out my mistake in this regard?
I’m totally stuck with this sentence. The sentence is going to compare between meat from ‘wild animals’ and meat from ‘domesticated animals’.
B says that:
----------wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain.
If I say: He is less successful than his father’s.
Or, He is less successful than his father does.
I’m not sure whether my sentence is right or wrong. If my above sentence is right, then same application should be used here.
Is it something like??: ------------ wild animals have less total fat than wild animals have livestock fed on grain. If this is the case, then it makes me confused. If I apply my example here, then I’ll get it as below:
--------------- wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain have.
Or, ------------ wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed’s on grain.
Or, ------------- wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain does.

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Hi Expert,
can you help me by finding out my mistake in this regard?
I’m totally stuck with this sentence. The sentence is going to compare between meat from ‘wild animals’ and meat from ‘domesticated animals’.
B says that:
----------wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain. - Correct. Compares the fat wild animals have to the fat that livestock (fed on grain) have.
If I say: He is less successful than his father’s. - Father's is totally awkward here. Father's what? Here you must compare the success between 2 persons --> He is less successful than his father.
Or, He is less successful than his father does. - Again 'does' indicates some action performed by the father. Here you are comparing the success between 2 persons and not each others actions. So usage of 'does' is not valid.
I’m not sure whether my sentence is right or wrong. If my above sentence is right, then same application should be used here.
Is it something like??: ------------ wild animals have less total fat than wild animals have livestock fed on grain. If this is the case, then it makes me confused. If I apply my example here, then I’ll get it as below:
--------------[i]- wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain [color=#ff00ff]have.[/color] - This is the only correct version.

So, where is 'have' in the main sentence?
Thanks...


In addition to Vyshak's response, you may find the following note about omission useful:

In a parallel structure, it is alright to omit repeated parts (even verbs) IF the meaning is not obscured.

I like sweets more than Jane.
The above sentence is ambiguous because it may have two meanings:
1. I like sweets more than (I like) Jane.
2. I like sweets more than Jane (likes sweets).
In such cases omission is not acceptable.

However , in option B, such ambiguity does not arise:
Wild animals have less total fat than livestock.
Compare with the previous example:
1. Wild animals have less total fat than (they have) livestock.
2. Wild animals have less total fat than livestock (have fat).
The first sentence does not make sense and hence omission of "have fat" is acceptable.

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This is just for learning purpose:

Apart from the "they" in A the comparison in A looks correct to me.

wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed.... This looks parallel.

Can the the experts confirm this.

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Vyshak wrote:
bitanrc wrote:
This is just for learning purpose:

Apart from the "they" in A the comparison in A looks correct to me.

wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed.... This looks parallel.

Can the the experts confirm this.

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No, It is not correct.

Rearrange: Wild animals have less total fat than livestock do. --> You can't substitute 'have' with 'do' as each has a different meaning.

Without do: Wild animals have fat. Livestock have fat. --> You can compare here by saying fat of wild animals > fat of livestock.
With do: Wild animals have fat. Livestock do have fat. --> Here rather than comparing the fat of wild animals with that of livestock, you are stressing more on the fact that Livestock have fat.


Vyshak, in my opinion, in a parallel structure it is alright to replace the second instance of a verb with "do". Here "have" is verb and it can be replaced with "do". However the "do" can be omitted because there would not be any ambiguity (as explained in my post above).

I eat more than you eat... correct.
I eat more than you do.... correct. ("eat" replaced with "do")
I eat more than you... correct. ("do" omitted).

I like chocolate more than you like chocolate.... correct
I like chocolate more than you like... correct ( chocolate omitted)
I like chocolate more than you do.... correct ("like" replaced" with "do")
I like chocolate more than you.. INcorrect ( ambiguous - can have 2 meanings)

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Hi, what is wrong with option C. As per me it reads as A has less fat than the fat of B.


C is a very clear case of broken parallelism:
A has less fat than B has... correct (clause compared to clause)
Fat of A is less than fat of B... correct (noun compared to noun)
A has less fat than the fat of B... incorrect. (clause compared to noun)

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Isnt the opening sentence modifying the total fat... I thought "The nutritional value" in the opening sentence would modify the total fat and hence shortlisted D and E and picked E.

Can anybody correct where I went wrong with this approach?


The opening modifier is a present participle modifier ("according to..."), which modifies the entire succeeding clause, not just a noun. Hence no particular noun (e.g. "total fat") is required to touch the modifier.

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According to recent studies comparing the nutritional value of meat from wild animals and meat from domesticated animals, wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is good for cardiac health.

A. wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is

B. wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be

C. wild animals have less total fat than that of livestock fed on grain and have more fat of a kind thought to be

D. total fat of wild animals is less than livestock fed on grain and they have more fat of a kind thought to be

E. total fat is less in wild animals than that of livestock fed on grain and more of their fat is of a kind they think is

The correct answer is B, but i'm confused here. X has less total fat than Y is a correct expression? I think the right one should be:

wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be

Could anyone explain a little? Thanks in advance for the help!

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I think problem in A is only 'they'.

Out of B and C, I believe B is 100% incorrect ad here we are comparing fat with livestock while the comparison should be between wild animals and livestock.

in option C, Does 'that of' refers to fat? Please confirm.
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I think problem in A is only 'they'.

Out of B and C, I believe B is 100% incorrect ad here we are comparing fat with livestock while the comparison should be between wild animals and livestock.

in option C, Does 'that of' refers to fat? Please confirm.


B is alright - the verb has been omitted (correctly) from the second element of the parallel structure:

..wild animals have less total fat than livestock (have).

Omission (including verbs) is acceptable when the meaning is not obscured. Take the following examples:

I like chocolates more than Madhu.

The above sentence may imply:
I like chocolates more than Madhu (likes chocolates).
OR
I like chocolates more than (I like) Madhu.

In such cases omission is not acceptable. However in the above example the following does not make sense:
Wild animals have less total fat than (they have) livestock.

The only possible meaning is:
Wild animals have less total fat than livestock (have total fat).

Hence omission is acceptable is this case. B is alright.
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Yes, in option C "that" refers to "fat", making the comparison faulty.

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