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Achievers’ Administrative Officer: At Achievers’ School, students from economically underprivileged backgrounds, who study free of charge under the company’s social responsibility clause, tend to spend less-time in school than the financially well-to-do, fee paying students. This is despite the fact that on average, economically underprivileged children have more pressing academic needs than the fee paying-students. Critics of the school have concluded that the economically underprivileged students are not receiving proper academic attention. However, this conclusion is almost certainly baseless. Careful investigation has recently shown two things: students from financially well to do households hang around in school premises to discuss their after-school parties, and tend to stay back in the school after classes to attend such optional sports activities that have nothing to do with a student’s academic development.

In the administrative officer’s argument, the two boldface portions play which of the following roles?

A. The first states the conclusion of the administrative officer’s argument; the second provides support for that conclusion.
B. The first is used to support the conclusion of the administrative officer’s argument; the second states that conclusion.
C. The first was used to support the conclusion drawn by school critics; the second states the position that the administrative officer’s argument opposes.
D. The first was used to support the conclusion drawn by school critics; the second provides support for the conclusion of the administrative officer’s argument.
E. The first states the position that the administrative officer’s argument opposes; the second states the conclusion of the administrative officer’s argument.
[Reveal] Spoiler: OA

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15 Oct 2013, 19:33
I have put a lot of thought into the argument and have come up with D. What is the OA?

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15 Oct 2013, 20:13
A. The first states the conclusion of the administrative officer’s argument; the second provides support for that conclusion.--- Incorrect, because the first statement is not the conclusion of the administrative officer but the conclusion of the critics. Also the second statement does not support the conclusion.
B. The first is used to support the conclusion of the administrative officer’s argument; the second states that conclusion.---- The first statement is not supporting the conclusion but is the conclusion. The second statement is not a conclusion.
C. The first was used to support the conclusion drawn by school critics; the second states the position that the administrative officer’s argument opposes.---- The second statement is not a position that the administrative officer opposes. This is opposite to what we need.
D. The first was used to support the conclusion drawn by school critics; the second provides support for the conclusion of the administrative officer’s argument.--- CORRECT.
D. The first states the position that the administrative officer’s argument opposes; the second states the conclusion of the administrative officer’s argument.--- The second statement is not the conclusion of the officer but he is just claiming that the critics conclusion is baseless.

IMO the First D out of the two D's.

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16 Oct 2013, 10:39
E,

Though i am not a fan of boldface question, here goes the explanation:

As per my understanding in boldface questions, you should focus more on the bold part only.

words such as certainly, definitely etc imply conclusion.

So E does fit well. the first part is a position that the officer opposes and the second part is the conclusion of the officer, what follows the conclusion is the reasoning.
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16 Oct 2013, 10:43
Premise:
* Economical underprivileged students(EUPS) perform worse(even though they need good performance) than Economical privileged students(EPS). Because EUPS do not stay back after school hours
* Critics conclusion : EUPS dont get academic attention
* Admin Officer : EPS stay back for activities which have nothing to do with course
Conclusion : Critics conclusion baseless

My Take E.
E. The first states the position that the administrative officer’s argument opposes; the second states the conclusion of the administrative officer’s argument.
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16 Oct 2013, 10:55
E has to be the answer ... first is what the admin officer opposes ... second is what admin officer want to conclude

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16 Oct 2013, 12:37
Evidence used by Critics:At Achievers’ School, students from economically underprivileged backgrounds, who study free of charge under the company’s social responsibility clause, tend to spend less-time in school than the financially well-to-do, fee paying students. This is despite the fact that on average, economically underprivileged children have more pressing academic needs than the fee paying-students
Conclusion of Critics: the economically underprivileged students are not receiving proper academic attention (BF1)
Evidence used by Admin. officer: Careful investigation has recently shown two things: students from financially well to do households hang around in school premises to discuss their after-school parties, and tend to stay back in the school after classes to attend such optional sports activities that have nothing to do with a student’s academic development.

Conclusion of Admin. Officer: this conclusion is almost certainly baseless (BF-2)
Relation btw BF-1 and BF-2
BF-1 is the conclusion of Critics, whereas BF-2 is the conclusion of Admin. Off (the main conclusion of argument).
Here, BF-2 challenges BF-1.
A. The first states the conclusion of the administrative officer’s argument (the first is the conclusion of Critics); the second provides support for that conclusion (the second challenges the first).
B. The first is used to support the conclusion of the administrative officer’s argument (don’t support the Admin. Officer’s conclusion) ; the second states that conclusion.
C. The first was used to support the conclusion drawn by school critics (the first is the conclusion itself); the second states the position that the administrative officer’s argument opposes (the second is the admin. Officer’s position).
D. The first was used to support the conclusion drawn by school critics(the first is the conclusion itself); the second provides support for the conclusion of the administrative officer’s argument (the second itself is the Admin. Officer conclusion).
E. The first states the position that the administrative officer’s argument opposes; the second states the conclusion of the administrative officer’s argument. CORRECT

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16 Oct 2013, 12:47
IMO E is the correct answer,
The second bold face is the main conclusion of the passage which refutes the conclusion of the critics.
A, B and C are easy to eliminate,
D is incorrect because the first is critics' conclusion not a support to it and the second is the administrative officer’s conclusion.

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16 Oct 2013, 13:32
OA most definitely should be E. Let me know if some1 needs detailed explanation or fresh perspective apart from the one's already given.
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16 Oct 2013, 14:57
Trying to figure out the gist of the argument

Grey part is what the critics say: the student are lazy, eventually

Red part what is stated by the critics: notice here the tone of the argument: in C and D the answer choices use "was used" but here we have a strong tone: it states something for sure

Blue part here the officer completely changes the argument with a strong shift as well. He states something else: Y instead of X (the critics) and support in a definitely way his reasons saying A and B

E must be the answer in this tough and well formulated question

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16 Oct 2013, 20:50
vabhs192003 wrote:
OA most definitely should be E. Let me know if some1 needs detailed explanation or fresh perspective apart from the one's already given.

For me also E is the best choice but my only concern is however is counter premise indicator. So, can it follow a conclusion?

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16 Oct 2013, 21:12
A: Critics of the school have concluded that the economically underprivileged students are not receiving proper academic attention - This is not the conclusion of the administrative officer but the critics - Incorrect
B: Critics of the school have concluded that the economically underprivileged students are not receiving proper academic attention - in no way support administrative officers comments as his position is exactly opposite - Incorrect
C: Critics of the school have concluded that the economically underprivileged students are not receiving proper academic attention - Therefore it a conclusion drawn by the critics and not a support / premise for the conclusion
D: Same as D - Incorrect
E: "Critics of the school have concluded that the economically underprivileged students are not receiving proper academic attention" - This is the conclusion / position given by the critics which the administrative officer opposes in the next statement. Therefore "E"

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vabhs192003 wrote:
OA most definitely should be E. Let me know if some1 needs detailed explanation or fresh perspective apart from the one's already given.

For me also E is the best choice but my only concern is however is counter premise indicator. So, can it follow a conclusion?

E for me.

When arguments have multiple conclusions, then one conclusion can act as premise for the other conclusion.
In the same way, if I am not wrong, the sentence following However is acting as counter premise as well as second conclusion.

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17 Oct 2013, 10:02
Hello Everyone,

Thanks for an interesting discussion. I have added the official answer to the question. Let me know if anyone has any doubts.

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18 Oct 2013, 19:19
egmat wrote:
Hello Everyone,

Thanks for an interesting discussion. I have added the official answer to the question. Let me know if anyone has any doubts.

Thanks,
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Hi,
I know E is the best choice but only doubt is that however is premise indicator so conclusion after however will work? KaranT for the same question replied :

'When arguments have multiple conclusions, then one conclusion can act as premise for the other conclusion.
In the same way, if I am not wrong, the sentence following However is acting as counter premise as well as second conclusion'

So is KaranT correct? Please, highlight this.

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19 Oct 2013, 18:28
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egmat wrote:
Hello Everyone,

Thanks for an interesting discussion. I have added the official answer to the question. Let me know if anyone has any doubts.

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Hi,
I know E is the best choice but only doubt is that however is premise indicator so conclusion after however will work? KaranT for the same question replied :

'When arguments have multiple conclusions, then one conclusion can act as premise for the other conclusion.
In the same way, if I am not wrong, the sentence following However is acting as counter premise as well as second conclusion'

So is KaranT correct? Please, highlight this.

Hi,

First of all, neither "however" is a premise indicator not it is compulsorily a counter-premise indicator.

Secondly, a statement cannot be the main conclusion and a counter-premise at the same time. Since the second BF is the main conclusion, it cannot be a counter-premise by definition.

A counter-premise is something which opposes the main conclusion. So, a statement cannot be counter-premise and main conclusion at the same time.

Now the most important thing regarding your question - you are saying that since a particular rule (however is a premise or counter premise indicator and is a part of BF2) doesn't apply to BF2, you cannot call it the main conclusion. This is inspite the fact that you feel that option E is correct and BF2 is the main conclusion.

So, here's one very important learning for you: Logic trumps every such rule. Logic is the most important thing. Given that we are dealing with English language, we cannot be certain that particular words can only be used in one way and not the other. So, even though, such rules may apply in majority of the cases, these rules are not universal. Therefore, if you feel that logic says something and the rule says something else, then always go by the logic.

Hope this helps

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