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New post 21 Dec 2013, 02:36
First of all the part of the sentence must be underlined and the title of the post must be the first sentence of the question.

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Back to your question

SV: No error:
V: Conditional tense rule violated as if <past> , then <would> is correct usage and not if <past> , then <was> is not correct usage
Pronoun: correct : they / thier logially and unambigously refer to french and it logicaly refers to morocco
Parallelism: Not tested and hence no error
Meaning: No error
Modifier: No error
Idioms: Not tested and hence no error
Others: None


I do not agreee on that point because you always have a meaning on a sentence. You certainly could eliminate the wrong answer based on meaning/grammar errors

Affording strategic proximity to the Strait of Gibraltar, Morocco was also of interest to the French throughout the first half of the twentieth century becuase they assumed that if they did not hold it, their grip on Algeria was always insecure.

a) if they did not hold it, their grip on Algeria was always insecure

they assumed that if they......is already wrong just only to see this construction. If this is not enough for you, the sentence is constructed really really bad because the core part of the same is putted as an incidental phrase that we do not know what it modifies. let's take a look:

Affording strategic proximity to the Strait of Gibraltar, Morocco was also of interest to the French throughout the first half of the twentieth century becuase they assumed that if they did not hold it , their grip on Algeria was always insecure.

Notice how the main part is between TWO commas and this is non sensical. Even Without spotting a gramma error or a meaning issue or else: option A is wrong

b) without it their grip on Algeria would never be secure

Correct

c) their grip on Algeria was not ever secure if they did not hold it

here what the sentence says to us is this: if we do not have the grip we are insicure ?? we are insicure woithout a grip ???? just crazy. we are talking about countries not a grip; the grip should work as a means

d) without that, they could never be secure about their grip on Algeria

they assumed that ............without that, they could............Moreover, they are not secure about a possible attack via marocco up to France or they are not secure about the grip ???

e) never would their grip on Algeria be secure if they did not hold it.

Once again: the grip is the pivotal point.............

As you can see, you could pick the right answer only basing your decision on meaning AND grammar rules or meaning solely.

Hope this helps.

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New post 21 Dec 2013, 07:34
there is one main problem with A and C.

the pattern "if do(did), then do (did) " is used to say about causal fact.

if temperature is 100 degree C, water boils.

this is causal fact.

we can not use "assume" before above pattern.

that is why A and C is wrong. this point is basic because the pattern is explained in all grammar books
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New post 23 Dec 2013, 01:58
Hi carcass,

Agree with your explanation. I have a question.

Since both "assume" and "if" are conditional, do they not create a sort of redundancy if used together? Can choices A,C and E be eliminated based on this?

Please correct me if I went wrong.
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Affording strategic proximity to the Strait of Gibraltar, Morocco was also of interest to the French throughout the first half of the twentieth century becuase they assumed that if they did not hold it, their grip on Algeria was always insecure.

a) if they did not hold it, their grip on Algeria was always insecure
b) without it their grip on Algeria would never be secure
c) their grip on Algeria was not ever secure if they did not hold it
d) without that, they could never be secure about their grip on Algeria
e) never would their grip on Algeria be secure if they did not hold it.


Meaning: reason for why was morocco important to french

Error analysis: C1- Affording strategic proximity to the Strait of Gibraltar, Morocco was also of interest to the French throughout the first half of the twentieth century
C2- becuase they assumed
C3 that if they did not hold it,
C4-their grip on Algeria was always insecure.

SV: No error:
V: Conditional tense rule violated as if <past> , then <would> is correct usage and not if <past> , then <was> is not correct usage
Pronoun: correct : they / thier logially and unambigously refer to french and it logicaly refers to morocco
Parallelism: Not tested and hence no error
Meaning: No error
Modifier: No error
Idioms: Not tested and hence no error
Others: None

POE:
a) if they did not hold it, their grip on Algeria was always insecure
Faulty as pointed above

b) without it their grip on Algeria would never be secure

Although would is used correctly but in the if, then construction 'if' is not used. From the theory taught in the verb conditional concept
i have learned that then may be ommited but if should always be present. Can you please explain then why B is correct though 'if' is ommited

c) their grip on Algeria was not ever secure if they did not hold it

Conditional error as in A pronoun reference error as well- 'it' can refer to both algeria and morrocco

d) without that, they could never be secure about their grip on Algeria

pronoun error- that can not be used in place of it to refer to morrocco

Conditional errror: Assumption, so would need to be used in place of could

e) never would their grip on Algeria be secure if they did not hold it.

Pronoun error as 'it' can refer to both algeria and morrocco.
I could not find any other error in this choice


Can you please share your view on the analysis posted above. Also please explain why the usage of if , then construction is correct in B though 'if' is missing

PS:i understand that 'would can be used without a condition but here as there is a condition so i expect that whole if, then framework must be used (ofcourse then can be ommited but not if as mentioned in the concept file of verb conditional)


Thanks in advance
Rahul Vijay


Hi Rahul,

Thanks for posting your doubt here. :-)

The first thing we need to notice here is that the original sentence does use the "if... then..."construction. However, that is not the case with the Correct answer choice B. The tense that this choice has is basically past-future of "will" that is "would".

In the time frame of past, when we speak of a future event, then we use "would" for such an event. For example:

Shahjahan was not aware that his son Aurangzeb would be responsible for the downfall of the Mughal Empire.

Same is the usage of "would" in the correct answer choice B. At that time, French thought without their grip on the Strait of Gibraltar, their grip on Algeria would not be secure.

So we actually do not have any "if... then..." construction here.

Hope this helps. :-)
Thanks.
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New post 23 Dec 2013, 18:43
Hi Shraddha,

Thanks!

But can we say that the condition is present but it is not preceded by 'if'?

without it their grip on Algeria would never be secure ----> 'Without it' is the condition and 'their grip....' is the effect
This sentence could as well be reworded as if they did not hold morrocco, their grip on Algeria would never be secure?

Now if we can re-word the sentence as shown above then it implies that even 'if' can be ommited and the condition can be stated without 'if', provided the sentence makes sense.

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WhyabloodyMBA wrote:
Affording strategic proximity to the Strait of Gibraltar, Morocco was also of interest to the French throughout the first half of the twentieth century because they assumed that if they did not hold it, their grip on Algeria was always insecure.

(A) if they did not hold it, their grip on Algeria was always insecure
(B) without it their grip on Algeria would never be secure
(C) their grip on Algeria was not ever secure if they did not hold it
(D) without that, they could never be secure about their grip on Algeria
(E) never would their grip on Algeria be secure if they did not hold it


Since I see pronoun ambiguity in ALL options, I simply ignored the pronouns alltogether, since I figured Im overthinking something..

Instead, I attacked structure, meaning and diction.. B easily sounds the best out of the options, therefore B is correct.

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Affording strategic proximity to the Strait of Gibraltar, Morocco was also of interest to the French throughout the first half of the twentieth century because they assumed that if they did not hold it, their grip on Algeria was always insecure.

(A) if they did not hold it, their grip on Algeria was always insecure
Wrong. Grammar problem. If + simple past, then + would ==> "was" is incorrect.

(B) without it their grip on Algeria would never be secure
Correct. Normally, pronoun should refer to CLOSEST antecedent --> "It" refers to "Morocco" correctly.

(C) their grip on Algeria was not ever secure if they did not hold it
Wrong. Grammar problem. Same as A. "was" is incorrect.

(D) without that, they could never be secure about their grip on Algeria
Wrong. "that" is wrong, "it" is correct. (We use "that/those" for different copies of antecedents).

(E) never would their grip on Algeria be secure if they did not hold it
Wrong. The structure of E is: X was of interest to Y because Y assumed that never would Y's grip on Z be secure if Y did not hold "it". if "it" refers to CLOSEST noun --> "it" refers to Z (Algeria). That's wrong.

TAKEAWAY: be ware of "middle man", (noun/noun phrase between antecedents and pronouns)


Just a question.

If B were: "without it their grip on Algeria COULD never be secure", would it still be right?

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Clause 1: Affording strategic proximity to the Strait of Gibraltar, Morocco was also of interest to the French throughout the first half of the twentieth century
Clause 2: because they assumed
Clause 3: that if they did not hold it, their grip on Algeria was always insecure

Clause is conditional so would will be used here (* In conditional clause would will be used)

(A) if they did not hold it, their grip on Algeria was always insecure (No would-wrong)
(B) without it their grip on Algeria would never be secure (Sweet and sound --correct)
(C) their grip on Algeria was not ever secure if they did not hold it (same as A)
(D) without that, they could never be secure about their grip on Algeria (same as A)
(E) never would their grip on Algeria be secure if they did not hold it (though is uses would but awkward and wordy -out)

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Affording strategic proximity to the Strait of Gibraltar, Morocco was also of interest to the French throughout the first half of the twentieth century because they assumed that if they did not hold it, their grip on Algeria was always insecure.

(A) if they did not hold it, their grip on Algeria was always insecure
(B) without it their grip on Algeria would never be secure
(C) their grip on Algeria was not ever secure if they did not hold it
(D) without that, they could never be secure about their grip on Algeria
(E) never would their grip on Algeria be secure if they did not hold it


this question test us how to use "if do... , do"

"if do, do" is used to show causal relation which is alway right. if water froze, it will expanded. this point is explained in grammar books. "if do... do" is used to talk about real possibility, which can be real.

A and C is wrong because the sentence do not show us a causal relation

E is wrong because we do not have inverted pattern for "if ... will"
"that" can not be stand alond pronoun. "that" can be a pronoun if it show a thing similar and different thing from the mentioned thing. I do not like the chair in the room, but that outside the room is nice.

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Affording strategic proximity to the Strait of Gibraltar, Morocco was also of interest to the French throughout the first half of the twentieth century because they assumed that if they did not hold it, their grip on Algeria was always insecure.

(A) if they did not hold it, their grip on Algeria was always insecure - If past then past is not recommended . Moreover sentence context demands the use of would here
(B) without it their grip on Algeria would never be secure - Correct Choice
(C) their grip on Algeria was not ever secure if they did not hold it - It is ambiguous . If past then past is not recommended . Moreover sentence context demands the use of would here
(D) without that, they could never be secure about their grip on Algeria - that ambiguous
(E) never would their grip on Algeria be secure if they did not hold it - It is ambiguous.


Whenever see assumed, think of would :)
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Hi,

in answer option B:

After "that" , there should be subordinating clause, which should start with a subject?
is it ok to use "without it" before subject? what this phrase is?? is it modifier? or prepositional phrase?
And even though it is correct then also shouldn't it be separated by comma? (such as- without it, their grip....)

Please explain asap.

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Affording strategic proximity to the Strait of Gibraltar, Morocco was also of interest to the French throughout the first half of the twentieth century because they assumed that if they did not hold it, their grip on Algeria was always insecure.

(A) if they did not hold it, their grip on Algeria was always insecure
The intended meaning of the sentence is to give a declaration about the important of Strait of Gibraltar. The use of IF_clause which emphasises on cause-effect relation fails to capture this meaning

(B) without it their grip on Algeria would never be secure

(C) their grip on Algeria was not ever secure if they did not hold it
same reason mentioned in choice A

(D) without that, they could never be secure about their grip on Algeria
We don't know what is "that" prefer to; the following sentence is awkward

(E) never would their grip on Algeria be secure if they did not hold it
same reason mentioned in choice A

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I see the second most common answer is A, have in mind though: insecure IS NOT the same as not secure


Insecurities are human complex, like: I am insecure over my blabla
NOT secure refers to "safety" or simply, not secure: That is not a secure investment

You can't say: That investment is insecure.

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Answer choice B is correct.

-- without it(refers to Morocco) their(refers to the French) grip on Algeria would(future with reference to the past) never be secure.

Note: The French is plural. In the same way, GMAT considers all "the + tribe" constructions plural. eg: "The Oneida", "The Anasazi" etc.
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Affording strategic proximity to the Strait of Gibraltar, Morocco was also of interest to the French throughout the first half of the twentieth century because they assumed that if they did not hold it, their grip on Algeria was always insecure.

(A) if they did not hold it, their grip on Algeria was always insecure
(B) without it their grip on Algeria would never be secure
(C) their grip on Algeria was not ever secure if they did not hold it
(D) without that, they could never be secure about their grip on Algeria
(E) never would their grip on Algeria be secure if they did not hold it

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In conditional verbs I learnt that
1. if..simple past....then simple past
2. if..simple past...then would..
Option A follows pattern 1, can you please highlight why it is wrong?

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Affording strategic proximity to the Strait of Gibraltar, Morocco was also of interest to the French throughout the first half of the twentieth century because they assumed that if they did not hold it, their grip on Algeria was always insecure.

(A) if they did not hold it, their grip on Algeria was always insecure
(B) without it their grip on Algeria would never be secure
(C) their grip on Algeria was not ever secure if they did not hold it
(D) without that, they could never be secure about their grip on Algeria
(E) never would their grip on Algeria be secure if they did not hold it

[Reveal] Spoiler:
In conditional verbs I learnt that
1. if..simple past....then simple past
2. if..simple past...then would..
Option A follows pattern 1, can you please highlight why it is wrong?


Hi,
two reasons --
1) the correct construction is only the second you have mentioned
if.. SP.., then..would..
2) Also ASSUMED itself suggests that the portion after that is hypothetical
In that case may be if IF can be avoided, it would be better..
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If Simple past---Then simple past

If he went out for dinner,he dined at KFC

The above states a fact. Maybe we use would when its totally uncertain. So simple past or would totally depends on the intended meaning
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Following "then", the auxiliary verb has to be would/could. Only answer D fixes the problem without introducing new ones.

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