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Was between C and E.

I chose C

E goes too far in saying that the lifespan of other fledglings is more important to albatrosses after their first molting than it is after thirty years.

We cannot infer that the lifespan was important or not. It was just directly related to the migration distance of albatrosses after thirty years.

Maybe the bird doesn't want to migrate and wants to relax :lol:

I hope its clear

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I select option C. I followed option elimination only to arrive at my choice. A can't be inferred from the argument as nothing was mentioned about molding before or after maturity. Choice B seemed close however it is confusing as it relates migrations distance of albatrosses to the migration distance of fledlings but the finding was about fellow fledlings. Option D & E are irrelevant. So it is C for me.

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After observing thirty-year-old albatrosses, biologists determined that migration distance in mature albatrosses is directly tied to the lifespan of other fledglings in their brood. Albatrosses that hatched alone or whose fellow fledglings did not survive after their first molting were observed to follow shorter migration paths after thirty years than those that had been accompanied by one or more other fledglings.

If the biologists' determination is accurate, it follows that


A a few albatrosses who molted before maturity are capable of migrating further after thirty years as a result

B the migration distance of thirty-year-old albatrosses is connected to the migration distance of other fledglings

C it is the survival of other fledglings rather than just the birth of those fledglings that more directly affects the migration distance of albatrosses after thirty years

D albatrosses that migrated long distances after their first molting are more likely to migrate long distances after thirty years as well

E the lifespan of other fledglings is more important to albatrosses after their first molting than it is after thirty years



The last sentence says " Albatrosses that hatched alone or whose fellow fledglings did not survive after their first molting were observed to follow shorter migration paths after thirty years than those that had been accompanied by one or more other fledglings.".

Option C echoes the same...and hence it's the answer.

Nothing has been mentioned about option E.
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how are we able to infer that survival rather than birth affects migration distance "more directly"?

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GMATNinja GMATNinjaTwo please could you help me understand why (E) is incorrect while (C) is
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Dear Experts,

Albatrosses that hatched alone or whose fellow fledgelings did not survive after their first moulting were observed to follow shorter migration paths after thirty years than those that had been accompanied by one or more other fledgelings.

C it is the survival of other fledgelings rather than just the birth of those fledgelings that more directly affects the migration distance of albatrosses after thirty years

How can we infer that the survival of fledgelings has more effect than its birth? I can't find any comparison in the given passage.

Please help. Thanks in advance :)
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GMATNinja sir VeritasKarishma mam nightblade354 sir generis sir Please guide for this question, how are we able to infer that survival rather than birth affects migration distance "more directly"?

Please explain POE for this question
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After observing thirty-year-old albatrosses, biologists determined that migration distance in mature albatrosses is directly tied to the lifespan of other fledglings in their brood. Albatrosses that hatched alone or whose fellow fledglings did not survive after their first molting were observed to follow shorter migration paths after thirty years than those that had been accompanied by one or more other fledglings.

C: biologists determined that migration distance in mature albatrosses is directly tied to the lifespan of other fledglings in their brood
P: Albatrosses that hatched alone or whose fellow fledglings did not survive after their first molting were observed to follow shorter migration paths after thirty years than those that had been accompanied by one or more other fledglings

Simple argument: Because the birds we observed with less siblings took shorter migrations paths after 30 years, therefore we can determine that distance is tied to lifespan of their siblings. So many assumptions being made, chiefly that correlation is causation, but we are not trying to weaken the argument. We simply need to know the facts, so don't overthink the question!
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If the biologists' determination is accurate, it follows that


A. a few albatrosses who molted before maturity are capable of migrating further after thirty years as a result -- What does pre-maturity have to do with the argument? This is a set of the species that we never discussed. Out.

B. the migration distance of thirty-year-old albatrosses is connected to the migration distance of other fledglings -- We have to be careful with this answer. We would be attributing the cause to a different catalyst. We would be saying that distance is caused by birds following others and not because of age. And this is, of course, not supported by the argument.

C. it is the survival of other fledglings rather than just the birth of those fledglings that more directly affects the migration distance of albatrosses after thirty years -- Perfect answer. Per the conclusion, there is a direct link between mortality of siblings and flight distance. We are never told about the number of siblings (so long as there is at least one), but we are told that the older they live, the further they fly. We do not know if quantity is the issue. We are just told quality is what determines distance.

D. albatrosses that migrated long distances after their first molting are more likely to migrate long distances after thirty years as well -- How do we know this? We only know about 30 year old birds. Maybe they didn't. Maybe every other year the birds travel far, but on the off years they travel a short distance. We just don't know about the past travel distances compared to the birds that they are describing in the argument.

E. the lifespan of other fledglings is more important to albatrosses after their first molting than it is after thirty years -- OK, but what does this have to do with our argument about distance? This just says there is a connection, but one that fades over time. We have no idea if this is true, per our argument.
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GMATNinja GMATNinjaTwo please could you help me understand why (E) is incorrect while (C) is

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Dear Experts,

Albatrosses that hatched alone or whose fellow fledgelings did not survive after their first moulting were observed to follow shorter migration paths after thirty years than those that had been accompanied by one or more other fledgelings.

C it is the survival of other fledgelings rather than just the birth of those fledgelings that more directly affects the migration distance of albatrosses after thirty years

How can we infer that the survival of fledgelings has more effect than its birth? I can't find any comparison in the given passage.

Please help. Thanks in advance :)

I'm late to the party here, but I'll add my two cents, just in case it helps somebody.

This passage tests us albatrosses born alone or whose fledglings did not survive their first molting had shorter migration paths than albatrosses whose fledglings survived their first molting.

We are not given any information about the effect on an albatross of the lifespan of its fledglings after this first molting. Therefore, we cannot tell whether the lifespan of other fledglings is more or less important after their first molting than it is after 30 years -- this means (E) cannot be the correct answer.

Now, looking at (C):
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C. it is the survival of other fledglings rather than just the birth of those fledglings that more directly affects the migration distance of albatrosses after thirty years

The passage splits albatrosses into two groups:
  • The first group is those albatrosses "that hatched alone or whose fellow fledglings did not survive after their first molting". These albatrosses have a shorter migration path.
  • The second group contains all the albatrosses whose fledglings did survive their first molting. These albatrosses have a longer migration path

This split tells us that an albatross' migration length is unaffected by whether that albatross is born alone or born with fledglings that die before their first molting. The migration length is only extended if its fledglings live beyond their first molting.

This is how we can tell it is the survival of other fledglings, rather than just their birth, that more directly affects the migration distance of an albatross. From this, (C) is our answer.

I hope that helps!

P.S. Can anyone confirm which paper test this question came from?
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Why is the answer not B? If the migration path of those who were accompanied by fledglings was longer, does the argument not assume that by "accompanying", the fledgling was also traveling a distance and hence the distance traveled by the fledgling correlates with the distance traveled by the albatross (in the case when the albatross is not alone)? If I understand correctly, is this wrong because beyond initial survival we do not know anything about how long the albatross was accompanied by the fledgling so we can't conclude anything about its distance?
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Yes, except that question is much more clear in the logic presented and the facts given.

I wonder if this question is official or an attempt to copy the actual official question….

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P.S. Can anyone confirm which paper test this question came from?

GMATNinja i cud find it in none of the 9 paper tests. so this may well be an apocryphal question :)
Bunuel pls could u confirm and delete the tag. thanks
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GMATNinja wrote:

P.S. Can anyone confirm which paper test this question came from?

GMATNinja i cud find it in none of the 9 paper tests. so this may well be an apocryphal question :)
Bunuel pls could u confirm and delete the tag. thanks

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