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# All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists.

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28 Sep 2013, 23:55
ankur1901 wrote:
Transcendentalist wrote:
kidchaos wrote:
All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists.

From which of the following can the statement above be most properly inferred?

1. Except for Marx, if someone is an idealist philosopher, then he or she is German.
2. Marx is the only non-German philosopher who is an idealist.
3. If a German is an idealist, then he or she is a philosopher, as long as he or she is not Marx.
4. Marx is not an idealist German philosopher.
5. Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist.

Let me try and break this down...

Question - Which of the answer choices from can the question stem be properly inferred? Not the other way around. Or in other words once the answer choice is established as a premise, the question stem can be inferred.

Since everyone pretty much arrives at option E, lets analyze the statement in detail.

Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist.

All germans except for marx are ideaists...

It can be inferred that all german philosophers (Since they are german) are idealists. So would all german doctors, assasins and bus drivers.

Hi Transcendentalist

Its nowhere mentioned that All germans are idealist. Hence E can be correct only if philosopher is inserted. Please can you clarifiy if i am missing any point. Refer to the attached venn diagram to explain the question stem.

Ankur - How would you explain this statement?

Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist...

I would explain it as below
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29 Sep 2013, 02:05
kidchaos wrote:
All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists.

From which of the following can the statement above be most properly inferred?

1. Except for Marx, if someone is an idealist philosopher, then he or she is German.
2. Marx is the only non-German philosopher who is an idealist.
3. If a German is an idealist, then he or she is a philosopher, as long as he or she is not Marx.
4. Marx is not an idealist German philosopher.
5. Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist.

Shouldn't
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D

The 5th option is "5. Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German philosopher, then he or she is an idealist".

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30 Oct 2013, 05:08
As the statement says answer E is WRONG!

The only possible answer is D!

But, indeed, if you add "philosopher" in answer E than answers E & D are right. (because D is still right)
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11 Nov 2013, 03:06
I believe some people, including me, are confused with the right choice. Today I read the question again and suddenly realized my mistake. The statement needs to be inferred from the choice. Usually, it is the other way round.

All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists.

From which of the following can the statement above be most properly inferred?

Infers that Marx is not German1. Except for Marx, if someone is an idealist philosopher, then he or she is German.

Infers that Marx is not German2. Marx is the only non-German philosopher who is an idealist.

Infers that Marx is not a philosopher 3. If a German is an idealist, then he or she is a philosopher, as long as he or she is not Marx.

Infers that Marx is not a German philosopher 4. Marx is not an idealist German philosopher.

Infers that philosopher Marx is German and is not idealist. Else, all Germans are idealist. So all German Pilots, except Marx, are idealist. All German cooks, except Marx, are idealist. Since, per choice E, with exception of Marx, all Germans are idealist. Therefore, correct to infer the above statement that all German philosophers are idealist 5. Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist.

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25 May 2014, 04:12
Option E is not written correctly in question

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25 May 2014, 10:43
the Question is not correct. E cannot be correct. because the passage did not minion that all German are philosopher .

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25 May 2014, 12:01
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the Question is not correct. E cannot be correct. because the passage did not minion that all German are philosopher .

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26 May 2014, 02:19
Whats the fuss over E...The statement is sufficient as it is..Philosophers is just a subset of Germans..So if it applies to Germans..it applies to philosophers too
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25 Jun 2015, 21:23
If fact was: "All Germans except Marx are idealist" the option E could be correct

With existing fact E is generalization that is not supported

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26 Oct 2017, 02:58
seriously good question.

Completely misread question thinking that answer should be inferred from passage. But actually it is the other way round, from which of the following answers, the question can be inferred.

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