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# All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists.

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All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists.

From which of the following can the statement above be most properly inferred?

1. Except for Marx, if someone is an idealist philosopher, then he or she is German.
2. Marx is the only non-German philosopher who is an idealist.
3. If a German is an idealist, then he or she is a philosopher, as long as he or she is not Marx.
4. Marx is not an idealist German philosopher.
5. Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist.

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Originally posted by kidchaos on 09 Sep 2010, 04:26.
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kidchaos wrote:
All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists.

From which of the following can the statement above be most properly inferred?

1. Except for Marx, if someone is an idealist philosopher, then he or she is German.
2. Marx is the only non-German philosopher who is an idealist.
3. If a German is an idealist, then he or she is a philosopher, as long as he or she is not Marx.
4. Marx is not an idealist German philosopher.
5. Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist.

The question is not asking which answer choice is equivalent to the sentence in the stem. It's asking us to find an answer choice from which we could deduce the sentence in the stem. If E is true, then all Germans (except for Marx) are idealists. Of course it then follows that all German philosophers (except for Marx) are idealists, so we can indeed draw the conclusion in the stem. So E is correct, and no word is missing.
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I believe some people, including me, are confused with the right choice. Today I read the question again and suddenly realized my mistake. The statement needs to be inferred from the choice. Usually, it is the other way round.

All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists.

From which of the following can the statement above be most properly inferred?

Infers that Marx is not German1. Except for Marx, if someone is an idealist philosopher, then he or she is German.

Infers that Marx is not German2. Marx is the only non-German philosopher who is an idealist.

Infers that Marx is not a philosopher 3. If a German is an idealist, then he or she is a philosopher, as long as he or she is not Marx.

Infers that Marx is not a German philosopher 4. Marx is not an idealist German philosopher.

Infers that philosopher Marx is German and is not idealist. Else, all Germans are idealist. So all German Pilots, except Marx, are idealist. All German cooks, except Marx, are idealist. Since, per choice E, with exception of Marx, all Germans are idealist. Therefore, correct to infer the above statement that all German philosophers are idealist 5. Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist.

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It cannot be D, because D doesn't states that All German philosophers are idealists (except for Marx of course). Answer D just states that Marx is not an idealist german philosopher.

I think OA misses word "philosophers", Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German PHILOSOPHER, then he or she is an idealist.

Is this from 1000 CR ? If it is, then I ll be carefull, cause it contains some really lousy constructed questions and answers.
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09 Sep 2010, 06:33
I think E is the closest - it is missing the philosopher word though...
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E doesn't look right .................. E means - All Germans are Idealist !!!!!!! However, the statement never says so.

Actually, we should be able to infer the statement from the correct choice. A, B & C are clearly wrong. Between D & E, both are not enough to infer the statement.

D - only says that Marx is not an idealist German Philo ......... does not say about anyone else, that all other German Phil are idealist. So we can only infer part of the statement.

E - says ALL Germans, other than Marx, are idealist !!!!!! The statement doesn't say that all Germans, other than Marx are idealist. It says that all German Phil, other than Marx are idealist. Even E is not correct.

Appears than neither of the two can be used to infer the statement. You are right - "I think OA misses word "philosophers","
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I think E is the closest - it is missing the philosopher word though...

By missing the word "phil..." , choice E prohibits us from inferring the statement. Beats the whole point of being the right answer !
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09 Sep 2010, 06:50
2. Marx is the only non-German philosopher who is an idealist.

I thought only the above could be the answer. I assumed this means - all other German philosophers are idealist.
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09 Sep 2010, 08:08
Thanks for the help everyone even I think maybe the word "philosophers" is missing in option 'E'
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15 Sep 2010, 19:15

I fell into that trap as well, I've never seen this reverse-infer type of question before. I don't think Gmat ever has those.

What a nice trick!
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03 Aug 2013, 23:48
IMO- D

The argument explicitly talks about German Philospers who are idealist. In E it changes the meaning and states that all Germans are idealist.
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04 Aug 2013, 17:17
kidchaos wrote:
All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists.

From which of the following can the statement above be most properly inferred?

1. Except for Marx, if someone is an idealist philosopher, then he or she is German.
2. Marx is the only non-German philosopher who is an idealist.
3. If a German is an idealist, then he or she is a philosopher, as long as he or she is not Marx.
4. Marx is not an idealist German philosopher.
5. Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist.

kid chaos,

Option E is missing the "philosopher" word.

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04 Aug 2013, 21:02
All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists.

From which of the following can the statement above be most properly inferred?

1. Except for Marx, if someone is an idealist philosopher, then he or she is German.
there maybe German philosophers who are not Marx and not idealists

2. Marx is the only non-German philosopher who is an idealist.
there maybe a German who is not max, not idealist and is a philosopher

3. If a German is an idealist, then he or she is a philosopher, as long as he or she is not Marx.
there maybe a German who is not max, not idealist and is a philosopher

4. Marx is not an idealist German philosopher.
there maybe a German who is not max, but a philosopher and is not an idealist

5. Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist.
correct. Aside from the philosopher Marx, all other Germans are idealist, then a Germany philosopher will be an idealist

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05 Aug 2013, 09:16
Unless E says " German Philosopher" E cannot be the right answer.
Statement is talking about German Philosopher not all Germans.

D seems to be correct choice. but at the same time. but for D to be right- Can reworded premise be the inference?
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The question is absolutely correct and the correct answer is E. The question asks which of the answer options from can the question statement be properly inferred.
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27 Sep 2013, 21:16
Nice question... a bit confusing..Can i know the source of the question?
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Thanks for the help everyone even I think maybe the word "philosophers" is missing in option 'E'

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All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists.

From which of the following can the statement above be most properly inferred?

1. Except for Marx, if someone is an idealist philosopher, then he or she is German.
2. Marx is the only non-German philosopher who is an idealist.
3. If a German is an idealist, then he or she is a philosopher, as long as he or she is not Marx.
4. Marx is not an idealist German philosopher.
5. Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist.

Let me try and break this down...

Question - Which of the answer choices from can the question stem be properly inferred? Not the other way around. Or in other words once the answer choice is established as a premise, the question stem can be inferred.

Since everyone pretty much arrives at option E, lets analyze the statement in detail.

Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist.

All germans except for marx are ideaists...

It can be inferred that all german philosophers (Since they are german) are idealists. So would all german doctors, assasins and bus drivers.
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kidchaos wrote:
All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists.

From which of the following can the statement above be most properly inferred?

1. Except for Marx, if someone is an idealist philosopher, then he or she is German.
2. Marx is the only non-German philosopher who is an idealist.
3. If a German is an idealist, then he or she is a philosopher, as long as he or she is not Marx.
4. Marx is not an idealist German philosopher.
5. Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist.

Let me try and break this down...

Question - Which of the answer choices from can the question stem be properly inferred? Not the other way around. Or in other words once the answer choice is established as a premise, the question stem can be inferred.

Since everyone pretty much arrives at option E, lets analyze the statement in detail.

Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist.

All germans except for marx are ideaists...

It can be inferred that all german philosophers (Since they are german) are idealists. So would all german doctors, assasins and bus drivers.

Hi Transcendentalist

Its nowhere mentioned that All germans are idealist. Hence E can be correct only if philosopher is inserted. Please can you clarifiy if i am missing any point. Refer to the attached venn diagram to explain the question stem.
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Transcendentalist wrote:
kidchaos wrote:
All German philosphers, except for Marx, are idealists.

From which of the following can the statement above be most properly inferred?

1. Except for Marx, if someone is an idealist philosopher, then he or she is German.
2. Marx is the only non-German philosopher who is an idealist.
3. If a German is an idealist, then he or she is a philosopher, as long as he or she is not Marx.
4. Marx is not an idealist German philosopher.
5. Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist.

Let me try and break this down...

Question - Which of the answer choices from can the question stem be properly inferred? Not the other way around. Or in other words once the answer choice is established as a premise, the question stem can be inferred.

Since everyone pretty much arrives at option E, lets analyze the statement in detail.

Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist.

All germans except for marx are ideaists...

It can be inferred that all german philosophers (Since they are german) are idealists. So would all german doctors, assasins and bus drivers.

Hi Transcendentalist

Its nowhere mentioned that All germans are idealist. Hence E can be correct only if philosopher is inserted. Please can you clarifiy if i am missing any point. Refer to the attached venn diagram to explain the question stem.

Ankur - How would you explain this statement?

Aside from the philosopher Marx, if someone is a German, then he or she is an idealist...

I would explain it as below
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