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# All of John's friends say they know

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23 Jul 2011, 13:54
I chose E because at first All of John's friends know someone who smokes 40 cigs a day and so on. But John is NOT unique. Keyword is unique..meaning some of his friends are also in the same position as John. Since *some* of his friends are in the same position as John then that means *some of his friends are lying*
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03 Jun 2013, 00:54
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My ans is D. Would you explain a little bit why can't it be D?

From my view, What if John is really unique, would the ans is D?
Moreover, the question state quite clear that all of his friends know sbd smoke hard but still healthy.
Since the question is extreme, our answer should extreme too.

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+1 E

Cannot be D because the argument mentions "...he is not unique among his friends in this respect". In this sense, probably there is only one of his friends who is providing wrong information. Thefore, you cannot say that MOST of his friends are not telling the truth.

But it is said "ALl of john's friends " --- why not most in this case ?? Please elaborate
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03 Jun 2013, 01:11
ruplun wrote:
metallicafan wrote:
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My ans is D. Would you explain a little bit why can't it be D?

From my view, What if John is really unique, would the ans is D?
Moreover, the question state quite clear that all of his friends know sbd smoke hard but still healthy.
Since the question is extreme, our answer should extreme too.

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+1 E

Cannot be D because the argument mentions "...he is not unique among his friends in this respect". In this sense, probably there is only one of his friends who is providing wrong information. Thefore, you cannot say that MOST of his friends are not telling the truth.

But it is said "ALl of john's friends " --- why not most in this case ?? Please elaborate

most means > 50%
some means - unspecified amount, but not zero.

From the premises, we cannot be sure that more than 50% of the John's friend are liars, but we can certainly say some are liars. These some can go from 1-99%. 100% would be ALL.
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04 Jun 2013, 03:18
I am not sure if the answer is "E".
My perspective is the passage says that

"All of John's friends say they know someone who has smoked 40 cigarette ... "
and question says

"If the statements in the passage are TRUE .... "

So I assumed that all of John's friends are speaking the truth. This is my perspective. Please correct me if I am wrong.

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04 Jun 2013, 07:45
Hi - The key phrase in the question is

say they know someone

I.e. for the passage to be true (as it says) the people just have to have said that they know some one. They don't actually have to have been telling the truth.

So E is the correct answer.

Hope that helps

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05 Jun 2013, 00:20
plumber250 wrote:
Hi - The key phrase in the question is

say they know someone

I.e. for the passage to be true (as it says) the people just have to have said that they know some one. They don't actually have to have been telling the truth.

So E is the correct answer.

Hope that helps

James

Thanks James,

That was a blunder from my side.

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All of John's friends say they know someone who has smoked 40 cigarettes a day for the past 40 years and yet who is really fit and well. John does not know anyone like that and it is quite certain that he is not unique among his friends in this respect.

If the statements in the passage are true, then which one of the following must also be true?

(A) Smoking often lie about how much they smoke.

(B) People often knowingly exaggerate without intending to lie.

(C) All John's friends know the same lifelong heavy smoker.

(D) Most of John's friends are not telling the truth.

(E) Some of John's friends are not telling the truth.

Found the passage tough. Here's my reasoning
A - is irrelevant to this passage. The passage never talks about what smoke think
B - 'intention' is irrelevant to the passage
C - 'All' is an extreme word and the truth of this answer choice can not be proved beyond reasonable doubt with information in the passage
D - 'Most' (>50%) can not be proved
E - Some (anything between 1 and 100) is OK. This can be proved - as the John says he is not 'unique'. Hence correct answer
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26 May 2015, 21:44
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All of John's friends say they know someone who has smoked 40 cigarettes a day for the past 40 years and yet who is really fit and well. John does not know anyone like that and it is quite certain that he is not unique among his friends in this respect.

If the statements in the passage are true, then which one of the following must also be true?

(A) Smoking often lie about how much they smoke.

(B) People often knowingly exaggerate without intending to lie.

(C) All John's friends know the same lifelong heavy smoker.

(D) Most of John's friends are not telling the truth.

(E) Some of John's friends are not telling the truth.

Found the passage tough. Here's my reasoning
A - is irrelevant to this passage. The passage never talks about what smoke think
B - 'intention' is irrelevant to the passage
C - 'All' is an extreme word and the truth of this answer choice can not be proved beyond reasonable doubt with information in the passage
D - 'Most' (>50%) can not be proved
E - Some (anything between 1 and 100) is OK. This can be proved - as the John says he is not 'unique'. Hence correct answer

Can you please explain difference between D and E ?
Why most can not be proved and Some can be proved ??
Any expert can help here please?
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All of John’s friends say they know someone who has smoked 40 cigarettes a day for the past 40 years and yet who is really fit and well. John does not know anyone like that and it is quite certain that he is not unique among his friends in this respect.
If the statements in the passage are true, then which one of the following must also be true?
(A) Smokers often lie about how much they smoke. ........>Could be true
(B) People often knowingly exaggerate without intending to lie. .......>outside the scope of the fact sets
(C) All John’s friends know the same lifelong heavy smoker. .....>the statement must be false since some of John's friends don't know about the smoker(According to the highlighted portion of the sentence,he is not unique=some of his friends still in his situation of not knowing ),but the question asked about must be true answer choice.
(D) Most of John’s friends are not telling the truth. ........Could be true because most of John's friends may not know the fact of the smoker
(E) Some of John’s friends are not telling the truth. ......> some of John’s friends= means at-least one of John's friends.information must be true as the fact

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24 Jul 2016, 07:45
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All of John’s friends say they know someone who has smoked 40 cigarettes a day for the past 40 years and yet who is really fit and well. John does not know anyone like that and it is quite certain that he is not unique among his friends in this respect.
If the statements in the passage are true, then which one of the following must also be true?
(A) Smokers often lie about how much they smoke.
(B) People often knowingly exaggerate without intending to lie.
(C) All John’s friends know the same lifelong heavy smoker.
(D) Most of John’s friends are not telling the truth.
(E) Some of John’s friends are not telling the truth.

Oa is

Why cant c be OA?

This is a very bad, incorrect and third rate question.
No one who has an iota of knowledge of Logic or reasoning would make such a question.

For all logic and critical reasoning , there is no difference in "Most/many/some/not all".
In logic ---> 1=some=many=99= not all
In logic ---> 0 = None
In logic ---> 100 = all

Therefore answer D and E are both correct.
A GMAT question cannot have 2 correct answers.

Remember quantifier like all, not all , some, many and none have different meaning in logic than in English.
Quantifiers in Logic are more similar to mathematical symbolism and has a close relationship with set theory. such as Union, intersection, null set and so on.

THIS IS A BLATANTLY WRONG QUESTION AND SHOULD BE DELETED WITHOUT GIVING IT A SECOND THOUGHT.

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[quote="souvik101990"]All of John's friends say they know someone who has smoked 40 cigarettes a day for the past 40 years and yet who is really fit and well. John does not know anyone like that and it is quite certain that he is not unique among his friends in this respect.

If the statements in the passage are true, then which one of the following must also be true?

(A) Smoking often lie about how much they smoke.

(B) People often knowingly exaggerate without intending to lie.

(C) All John's friends know the same lifelong heavy smoker.

(D) Most of John's friends are not telling the truth.

(E) Some of John's friends are not telling the truth.[/quot

What is the source of the question, to appreciate the one who posted this, it is indeed like an assumption type playing with most and some keywords
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18 Oct 2016, 05:29
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All of John's friends say they know someone who has smoked 40 cigarettes a day for the past 40 years and yet who is really fit and well. John does not know anyone like that and it is quite certain that he is not unique among his friends in this respect.

If the statements in the passage are true, then which one of the following must also be true?

(A) Smoking often lie about how much they smoke.

(B) People often knowingly exaggerate without intending to lie.

(C) All John's friends know the same lifelong heavy smoker.

(D) Most of John's friends are not telling the truth.

(E) Some of John's friends are not telling the truth.

Hey Guys.. I am not sure how E is correct.

The statement starts with All, therefore I am not sure how D and E could be correct. Most or Some are still not equal to All.
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IMO, since John is NOT UNIQUE ->he is the same with SOME or MOST of his friends (say another way, he is the same at least ONE of his friends)
Let take an example set of 100 John's friends:
SOME has wider range of possibilities (1-100), and MOST (51-100) is a subset of SOME
So, E is a Must be True
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Hi Expert,
The argument does not have anything related to lying or telling the truth,also it is quite possible that all of the fiends know a single person who smokes 40 cigs...
The choices preosented in the question and the argument prosented are not coherent,The official answer provided is E but after evaluation of the argument and the choice C seems to be an answer if any.

Requesting support on understanding whats required here.
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here is the deal.... Some= x%<50%<100% where x% >0% and Most= 50% <x%<100%...Argument says john is not unique among his friends.So some of his friends must lie. Some includes most also
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This is an awesome question as it helps understand that how a simple word "some" and "all" can change the whole scenario.
Suppose John has 10 friends and all know someone who is smoking since last 40 years. John is the only one who knows no one. The argument says "john isnt unique" it means he is same as his friends. Now saying that all of his friends (10 friends) are lying. well, isnt it extreme to say that all are lairs? but it isnt extreme to say that some of John's friends are lying...so E is the right option.
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03 Jul 2017, 07:22
Imo E
I don't this Is GMAT kind of question But anyways the answer is E
As some of the friends are telling a lie , becaue it might happen John does not know all the friends of his friends.
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All of John's friends say they know someone who has smoked 40 cigarettes a day for the past 40 years and yet who is really fit and well. John does not know anyone like that and it is quite certain that he is not unique among his friends in this respect.

If the statements in the passage are true, then which one of the following must also be true?

This is a must be true/ inference questions and thus, all statements in the argument are premises.

(A) Smokers often lie about how much they smoke. - This can't be inferred from the argument
B) People often knowingly exaggerate without intending to lie. - There is no indication of exaggerating without intent.
(C) All John's friends know the same lifelong heavy smoker. - John said he knew none. John's friends claimed they all knew someone who fell in the category. Nowhere is it mentioned that they knew the same person.
(D) Most of John's friends are not telling the truth. - Since, John claims that he knows no smoker and since he is not unique in holding this view point, it can be inferred that some of his friends are lying but we have nothing to state that a majority of his friends are lying. Even 1 person lying will be consistent with the argument.
(E) Some of John's friends are not telling the truth. - Yes. This can be reasonably inferred. If John claims he knows no smoker and he is not unique to this view then this means that atleast one of his friends also does not know any smoker and he/ she is lying. So, we can say that some of his friends are lying. All the other friends might know someone who smoke. Correct.
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