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Please read the sentence in full- both the underlined and non-underlined portion put together. Choice B is a complex sentence, with the following structure. A subordinate clause followed by a major clause appearing in the non-underlined part. The first heirloom tomatoes is the subject of the subordinate clause with its own verb appear and the second heirloom is the subject of the major clause with its verb are more flavorful. Therefore an unnecessary, extra use of the phrase heirloom has been avoided in the underlined portion by properly using phrase heirloom.

You have to decide wht that phrase heirloom tomatoes stands for in the given context. If it stands for the subject of a clause within the underlined portion, then it is ok. On the contrary, if it stands for the subject of the major clause, then it turns dangling and redundant, since the major clause is already having a subject.



This was an amazing explanation, thank you.

I forgot that "although" implies subordinate clause, it's tough to "wire" your brain so it understands that "hariloom" in that context is NOT the subject of the main clause. I just couldn't see redundancy issues.. But now I do!

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Although appearing less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year – they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises-heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand.

A Although appearing less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year
B Although heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins
C Although they appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year
D Grown from seeds saved during the previous year, heirloom tomatoes appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins
E Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, although they appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins



Answer B.

A,C and E, no verb for heirloom tomatoes
D- meaning change - contract is missing.

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To the original poster: this question is very confusingly transcribed. Unlike the Official Guide, which uses an em-dash (the big dashy looking thing) to separate the parenthetical phrase beginning '...they are often green', your question uses an em-dash (which you interpreted as a hyphen) to separate two independent clauses, a grammatical nicety that would lead straight to answer is (D). The answer was (B) however, and my head was spinning trying to figure out how that could be the case. Surely, joining a dependent clause to an independent clause is verboten. What I did not see was the hyphen hidden, without any intervening spaces, between bruises and heirlooms.

Only after I hunted down question #132 in the OG did I realize that the sentence was very different from the one transcribed here. There are two distinct em-dashes, as I've faithfully recapitulated below :) :

Although appearing less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year--they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises--heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand.

(A) Although appearing less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year
(B) Although heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins
(C) Although they appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the pervious year
(D) Grown from seeds saved during the previous year, heirloom tomatoes appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins
(E) Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, although they appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins

Explanation:

A good way to attack this question is to ignore the parenthetical phrase, "they are often green and striped...". Instead we need to focus on the two parts of the sentence, i.e. the part that comes before the first dash and the part that comes after the second dash. Notice the subordinating conjunction, 'although...' This suggests that the first clause needs to be a dependent clause that connects grammatically to the independent clause, "heirlooms are more flavorful..."

(A) Here is an attempt to make the underlined part a combination of a dependent clause ("Although appearing...") and an independent clauses ("heirloom tomatoes). However 'heirloom tomatoes' an independent clause does not make.

(B) "Although...appear less appetizing..." is a dependent clause. This matches up well with the independent clause following the second dash (the non-underlined part). The Answer.

(C) Same problem as (A).

(D) This answer choice forms an independent clause. Two independent clauses cannot be joined by a parenthetical comment (regardless of whether that comment is separated by em-dashes--as seen here--commas, or even parentheses). On the other hand, you can use just one em-dash to separate independent clauses (which is how I originally interpreted the question, and was thus drawn to (D)).

(E) Sounds awkward by placing 'heirloom tomatoes' before the although.

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I did solved this question correctly.

I first looked for SV pair. I was down to B and D.

I eliminated D because it didn't have that contrast word although.

I am still unable to understand your explanation when you say its a run on sentence with NV, NV. Can you please explain it further. Thanks!
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I think it's equally helpful, if u can break the sentence part by part...

Main sentence
Although appearing less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year – they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises-heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand

Now, let's see who is modifying what..

1. "grown from seeds" > heirloom tomatoes
2. "saved during the previous year" > seeds
3. "— they are often green and striped" > heirloom tomatoes (here dash (-) is used instead of comma)
4. "— heirloom are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand." (here dash (-) is used instead of semicolon)

Now, for our simplicity, let's give a short name for each long clauses.

1. most of their round and red supermarket cousins > X
2. often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises > "actually Y"
3. are more flavorful and thus increasing in demand. > "do Z"

Eliminate the modifier "grown from seeds saved during the previous year" which is unnecessary


Now rephrase each answer choices with including nonunderlined portion of main sentence, try to find out the inconsistencies of each sentence.
1. Although appearing less appeatizing than X, Heirloom tomatoes they are actually Y; Heirlooms do Z. (Redundant)
2. Although heirloom tomatoes appear less appetizing than X, they are actually Y; Heirlooms do Z.
3. Although they appear less appetizing than X, Heiloom tomatoes, they are actually Y; Heirlooms do Z. (Redundant)
4. Heirloom tomatoes appear less appetizing than X, they are actually Y; Heirlooms do Z (conjunction missing; two independent clauses cannot be connected without conjunction or semicolon or dash)
5. Heirloom tomatoes, although they appear less appetizing than X, they are actually Y; Heilooms do Z. (Redundant)

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just wondering , in OA , right after the underlined part, the second clause starting with "they are often" discribing attributes of heirloom tomatoes or round and red supermarket cousins ??

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just wondering , in OA , right after the underlined part, the second clause starting with "they are often" discribing attributes of heirloom tomatoes or round and red supermarket cousins ??

I think this fragment describes heirloom tomatoes. Nevertheless the sentence is tough to find a correct answer
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How can it be B? There is rule for semicolon or dash, that the sentences on left and right should be complete and independent. In that Case D should be the answer. Experts please step in.

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I was stuck between B and D for quite sometime.

Finally ended up going with D thinking a conjunction is not required here. :evil:

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To the original poster: this question is very confusingly transcribed. Unlike the Official Guide, which uses an em-dash (the big dashy looking thing) to separate the parenthetical phrase beginning '...they are often green', your question uses an em-dash (which you interpreted as a hyphen) to separate two independent clauses, a grammatical nicety that would lead straight to answer is (D). The answer was (B) however, and my head was spinning trying to figure out how that could be the case. Surely, joining a dependent clause to an independent clause is verboten. What I did not see was the hyphen hidden, without any intervening spaces, between bruises and heirlooms.

Only after I hunted down question #132 in the OG did I realize that the sentence was very different from the one transcribed here. There are two distinct em-dashes, as I've faithfully recapitulated below :) :

Although appearing less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year--they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises--heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand.

(A) Although appearing less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year
(B) Although heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins
(C) Although they appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the pervious year
(D) Grown from seeds saved during the previous year, heirloom tomatoes appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins
(E) Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, although they appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins

Explanation:

A good way to attack this question is to ignore the parenthetical phrase, "they are often green and striped...". Instead we need to focus on the two parts of the sentence, i.e. the part that comes before the first dash and the part that comes after the second dash. Notice the subordinating conjunction, 'although...' This suggests that the first clause needs to be a dependent clause that connects grammatically to the independent clause, "heirlooms are more flavorful..."

(A) Here is an attempt to make the underlined part a combination of a dependent clause ("Although appearing...") and an independent clauses ("heirloom tomatoes). However 'heirloom tomatoes' an independent clause does not make.

(B) "Although...appear less appetizing..." is a dependent clause. This matches up well with the independent clause following the second dash (the non-underlined part). The Answer.

(C) Same problem as (A).

(D) This answer choice forms an independent clause. Two independent clauses cannot be joined by a parenthetical comment (regardless of whether that comment is separated by em-dashes--as seen here--commas, or even parentheses). On the other hand, you can use just one em-dash to separate independent clauses (which is how I originally interpreted the question, and was thus drawn to (D)).

(E) Sounds awkward by placing 'heirloom tomatoes' before the although.

Hope that helps!


Dear,

Just a question. This part of the sentence: "--they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises--" modifies heirloom tomatoes, thus I thought it must goes closer to heirloom tomatoes than to red supermarket cousins. For this reason I did not choose B. Why am I wrong?

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My Analysis:

Meaning:

H tomatoes are less appetizing but more flavorable


Error Analysis:

The Question tests comparison and the structure.Basically tests the usage of Although
Although does 2 things:

1) Shows contrast
2) Starts a clause

Contrast is depicted but the second function on although is not fulfilled i.e there is no clause after Although since there is no verb.--------Grown is not a verb it is a verb-ed.


POE:

A) Although appearing less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year

No verb =no clause--------

Incorrect choice

B) Although heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins

Perfect subject + Verb--clause
Comparison is bang on.

C) Although they appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the pervious year

Again no Verb.

Grown is a verbed not a verb.

No clause

Incorrect Choice

D)Grown from seeds saved during the previous year, heirloom tomatoes appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins.

Grown from seed.....previous year is a modifier ,which correctly modifies H tomatoes

H tomatoes has a verb appear..

Structure looks good but comparison is not depicted.

Incorrect choice

E) Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, although they appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins

Awkward construction..No direct verb

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Although appearing less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year – they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises-heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand.

A Although appearing less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year
B Although heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins
C Although they appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year
D Grown from seeds saved during the previous year, heirloom tomatoes appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins
E Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, although they appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins




my analysis:
A: no main verb in ist clause.
B: correct.
C:it seems that H. tomatoes modifying cousins.
D: no contrast.
E. it seems three clauses are there in the sentence. H. Tomatoes have no verb.

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This is one of the most difficult SC question I've ever done.
But it's from OG.
So it's for real.
I had to reread this severally and apply several unsuccessful strategies before I finally picked B.
Believe me the strategy that worked was when I read it out to my mind as though someone was talking to me. And it was only in option B that I understood what he was saying.
He wasn't quite as clear in others as he was in B.
I got his message in B.
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Got the correct answer on this one. This is how I solved it, I did POE and realized that only B, D or E can be correct because the part of the sentence right before the dash needs to talk about appearance since the part of the sentence after the dash talks about appearance. Thus, A and C can be eliminated. In E, incorrect modifier placement and "they" is ambiguous, so eliminate E. D is incorrect because "grown from seeds" doesn't really make sense in the context of this sentence and doesn't add anything, if anything, it changes the intended meaning. B remains. B also has all the correct modifiers, and "grown from seeds" in B can be crossed out and still be correct.

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Hi,

It is obvious that in the original sentence the heirloom tomatoes have no verb. Therefore to correct this sentence we should look for an option that provides us with a verb and yet preserve its meaning.

I have eliminated most of the answers and I am left with choice B and E.

Choice E: Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, although they appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins.

Please can you help me know if appear is a verb for they and Heirloom tomatoes? Or Heirloom tomatoes still have no verb?

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Please can you help me know if appear is a verb for they and Heirloom tomatoes? Or Heirloom tomatoes still have no verb?

Not sure which option you are referring to.

In C and E (incorrect options), appear is a verb for they.
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To the original poster: this question is very confusingly transcribed. Unlike the Official Guide, which uses an em-dash (the big dashy looking thing) to separate the parenthetical phrase beginning '...they are often green', your question uses an em-dash (which you interpreted as a hyphen) to separate two independent clauses, a grammatical nicety that would lead straight to answer is (D). The answer was (B) however, and my head was spinning trying to figure out how that could be the case. Surely, joining a dependent clause to an independent clause is verboten. What I did not see was the hyphen hidden, without any intervening spaces, between bruises and heirlooms.

Only after I hunted down question #132 in the OG did I realize that the sentence was very different from the one transcribed here. There are two distinct em-dashes, as I've faithfully recapitulated below :) :

Although appearing less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year--they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises--heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand.

(A) Although appearing less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year
(B) Although heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins
(C) Although they appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the pervious year
(D) Grown from seeds saved during the previous year, heirloom tomatoes appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins
(E) Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, although they appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins

Explanation:

A good way to attack this question is to ignore the parenthetical phrase, "they are often green and striped...". Instead we need to focus on the two parts of the sentence, i.e. the part that comes before the first dash and the part that comes after the second dash. Notice the subordinating conjunction, 'although...' This suggests that the first clause needs to be a dependent clause that connects grammatically to the independent clause, "heirlooms are more flavorful..."

(A) Here is an attempt to make the underlined part a combination of a dependent clause ("Although appearing...") and an independent clauses ("heirloom tomatoes). However 'heirloom tomatoes' an independent clause does not make.

(B) "Although...appear less appetizing..." is a dependent clause. This matches up well with the independent clause following the second dash (the non-underlined part). The Answer.

(C) Same problem as (A).

(D) This answer choice forms an independent clause. Two independent clauses cannot be joined by a parenthetical comment (regardless of whether that comment is separated by em-dashes--as seen here--commas, or even parentheses). On the other hand, you can use just one em-dash to separate independent clauses (which is how I originally interpreted the question, and was thus drawn to (D)).

(E) Sounds awkward by placing 'heirloom tomatoes' before the although.

Hope that helps!



Could you please elaborate as to why option D is incorrect? Also how do we decide on the usage of em dash?

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Could you please elaborate as to why option D is incorrect? Also how do we decide on the usage of em dash?

Hi Megha, with D, the sentence would be:

Grown from seeds saved during the previous year, heirloom tomatoes appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins – they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises-heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand.

The portion between the dash is called parenthetical: It interrupts the core sentence, to make a point. So, to expose the core of the sentence, we can look at the sentence without the parenthetical. So, the core of the sentence is:

Grown from seeds saved during the previous year, heirloom tomatoes appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand.

Now it becomes clearer. There are two two Independent clauses here:

i) Grown from seeds saved during the previous year, heirloom tomatoes appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins
ii) Heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand

The issue is that this is (what is called) a run-on sentence. Basically, two Independent clauses have to be connected by a conjunction or a semicolon. We cannot just have a blank or a comma connecting two Independent clauses.

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Could you please elaborate as to why option D is incorrect? Also how do we decide on the usage of em dash?

Hi Megha, with D, the sentence would be:

Grown from seeds saved during the previous year, heirloom tomatoes appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins – they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises-heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand.

The portion between the dash is called parenthetical: It interrupts the core sentence, to make a point. So, to expose the core of the sentence, we can look at the sentence without the parenthetical. So, the core of the sentence is:

Grown from seeds saved during the previous year, heirloom tomatoes appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand.

Now it becomes clearer. There are two two Independent clauses here:

i) Grown from seeds saved during the previous year, heirloom tomatoes appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins
ii) Heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand

The issue is that this is (what is called) a run-on sentence. Basically, two Independent clauses have to be connected by a conjunction or a semicolon. We cannot just have a blank or a comma connecting two Independent clauses.

p.s. Our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana discusses run-on sentences, their application and examples in significant detail. If someone is interested, PM me your email-id, I can mail the corresponding section.


This is extremely helpful. Much appreciated.!!! :)

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New post 09 Jul 2016, 19:32
macjas wrote:
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Although appearing less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year--they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises--heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand.

A Although appearing less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year
B Although heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins
C Although they appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year
D Grown from seeds saved during the previous year, heirloom tomatoes appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins
E Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, although they appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins




Experts please correct me if I am wrong
Apart from the run on sentence error in option D , the phrase Grown from seeds saved during the previous year is modifying heirloom tomatoes appear(appearance of heirloom tomatoes) and not the heirloom tomatoes itself . Am i correct ?

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New post 19 Jul 2016, 13:21
daagh wrote:
This passage is testing sentence structure, construction and style

A. Although appearing less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year-------In this simple sentence, introduced by a participial modifier, the modified subject heirloom tomatoes is repeated twice and hence redundant.

B Although heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins—avoids mentioning heirloom tomatoes in the underlined portions and thus escapes redundancy ------ correct choice

C Although they appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year- same redundancy as in A

D Grown from seeds saved during the previous year, heirloom tomatoes appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins. ---------- The two ICs forming the compound sentence are not conjugated with the conjunction and hence is a run-on

E Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, although they appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins---In this complex sentence with an early subordinate clause and a following major clause , redundancy of heirloom tomatoes is a problem as in A and C


"Although appearing less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand." Is it a correct sentence?

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