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# Although John never means to do harm or hurt Jane, he

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03 Jul 2014, 12:46
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Although John never means to do harm or hurt Jane, he sometimes reduces her to tears.

A) Although John never means to do harm or hurt Jane, he sometimes
B) Although John never mean to harm or hurt Jane, he sometimes
C) Despite the fact that John never means to do harm to or hurt Jane, he sometimes
D) Although John never means to do harm to or hurt Jane, he sometimes
E) Although John never means to do harm or hurt Jane, he
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03 Jul 2014, 14:33
Hi, i believe that you typed the answer choice D wrong because it makes no sense take a look of it:
This is the original D
Although John never means to do harm TO or hurt Jane, he sometimes
IMO D is like this:
Although John never means to do harm or TO hurt Jane, he sometimes
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04 Jul 2014, 04:55
I was confused between A and D, so I tried to write my own short sentences.

He wants to hurt you.

He wants to do hurt you. -- do is verb and hurt (noun) + Jane (noun) sentence sounds awkward. you can say he wants to hurt you or he wants to do action-noun -- skiing or hurting etc.

He wants to do hurt to Jane. -- here hurt to Jane is like delivering hurt to Jane. What if I say : He want to deliver death to Jane. Sounds good. Yeah!!.

Therefore, A was straight wrong for me and I selected D.
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04 Jul 2014, 08:25
PiyushK wrote:
I was confused between A and D, so I tried to write my own short sentences.

He wants to hurt you.

He wants to do hurt you. -- do is verb and hurt (noun) + Jane (noun) sentence sounds awkward. you can say he wants to hurt you or he wants to do action-noun -- skiing or hurting etc.

He wants to do hurt to Jane. -- here hurt to Jane is like delivering hurt to Jane. What if I say : He want to deliver death to Jane. Sounds good. Yeah!!.

Therefore, A was straight wrong for me and I selected D.

but "do" can be used to emphasize the main verb!
in this case, then A can be correct answer. but option D breaks the parallelism rule. I don't think "to do harm to" and "hurt" can be parallel.
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04 Jul 2014, 10:58
But that do is in infinitive. to do harm - do you think here do is acting in the same manner ?
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04 Jul 2014, 11:16
PiyushK wrote:
But that do is in infinitive. to do harm - do you think here do is acting in the same manner ?

I think "to do" is used in the same manner here, to emphasize the verb "harm". in this way, "to do harm" and " (to do) hurt" can be parallel.
but in option D, I think "to do harm to" cannot be parallel with "hurt".

please correct me if I'm wrong.
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04 Jul 2014, 11:19
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PiyushK wrote:
But that do is in infinitive. to do harm - do you think here do is acting in the same manner ?

I think "to do" is used in the same manner here, to emphasize the verb "harm". in this way, "to do harm" and " (to do) hurt" can be parallel.
but in option D, I think "to do harm to" cannot be parallel with "hurt".

please correct me if I'm wrong.

I have PM verbal expert Mike from magoosh. I hope we will get some reply soon.
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04 Jul 2014, 14:29
The issue here seems to be between A and D:

To do harm or hurt Jane v/s To do harm to or hurt Jane

Split it up and see what each of them says:
Option A says "to do harm Jane or hurt Jane". All I did was distribute the words to Jane. This does not sound right
Option D says "to do harm to Jane or hurt Jane". Now this makes sense. Hence the answer is D!
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05 Jul 2014, 11:58
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Although John never means to do harm or hurt Jane, he sometimes reduces her to tears.

A) Although John never means to do harm or hurt Jane, he sometimes
B) Although John never mean to harm or hurt Jane, he sometimes
C) Despite the fact that John never means to do harm to or hurt Jane, he sometimes
D) Although John never means to do harm to or hurt Jane, he sometimes
E) Although John never means to do harm or hurt Jane, he

PiyushK wrote:
Dear Mike,
We need you expert help on following thread. We are not able to decide between two answer choices.
Thanks & Regards
Piyush K

Dear PiyushK,
I'm happy to respond to your private message.

The first thing I will say: this is an embarrassingly poor question. It is a personal story of the emotional difficulties of two private individuals --- not academic in the least, and not a formal topic. It is as if the author were entirely uninformed about the nature of the GMAT SC and its formality.

The splits are laughable. Of course, what the author is trying to get at is that when we use "harm" as a verb, we can simply say "to harm Jane" (direct object, no preposition), but when we use "harm" as a noun with the verb "do", we need the idiomatic preposition "to" --- "to do harm to Jane." Technically, if we were to follow this idiom in a picayune way, we would have to choose (D), the only choice which uses the "do harm to" structure.

BUT, in practice, there is nothing wrong with (A). Without the idiomatic preposition, "to do harm" implies a general orientation of the will. If I say, "I do not mean to do harm" --- out of context, this is a kind of Gandhian attitude to adopt toward life in general. If I say that in a particular context, as in "Jane, in our relationship, I did not mean to do harm", then harm "to Jane" is implied. Much in the same way, harm "to Jane" is logically implied in (A), so (A) is grammatically and logically correct as well.

The author of this question, in addition to being completely oblivious to the typical subject matter of the GMAT SC, is also relying on formulaic nit-picking distinction in the splits, without being aware of the subtle implications of different phrasings. It's easy to write an answer choice that doesn't follow a precise distinction, but it's hard to write four plausible answer choices, each of which is unambiguously wrong. This question is not even pretending to prepare students for the high standards of the GMAT. If I had to give this question a grade, I would give a grade of an F.

Some debates about questions are worthwhile, and further your understanding of the GMAT SC. Other debates are pointless, because the question itself is flawed. This is such a question.

Does all this make sense?
Mike
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05 Jul 2014, 12:11
Mike, Thanks for the such thorough explanation.

I was wondering this question is sourced from Economist, and we learned nothing from this question.

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