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Despite having brought far more gear to the campground than they had in their previous camping trip, the Outdoor Club only had enough food for two days.

a)they had in their previous camping trip
b)their previous camping trip had had
c)they had for a previous camping trip
d)in their previous camping trip
e)for any previous camping trip
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Despite having brought far more gear to the campground than they had in their previous camping trip, the Outdoor Club only had enough food for two days.

a)they had in their previous camping trip
b)their previous camping trip had had
c)they had for a previous camping trip
d)in their previous camping trip
e)for any previous camping trip



Am confused between A-D and E. In option A-E the pronouns they , their are referring to outdoor club, which should not be plural as its a group. Also if we go with meaning the sentence is talking about the club as a whole and not about its members. thus plural pronoun should not be used .

Because of this only E manages to stay afloat.

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Despite having brought far more gear to the campground than they had in their previous camping trip, the Outdoor Club only had enough food for two days.

a)they had in their previous camping trip
b)their previous camping trip had had
c)they had for a previous camping trip
d)in their previous camping trip
e)for any previous camping trip


This is a fantastic question, and I realized that after I incorrectly marked C and was confused between A and C. While solving the question, I thought twice that the question may be wrong, but alas, I missed a point.

The catch in the question is Outdoor Club this has to be singular, thus they / their will lead to wrong answer choices. This would smoothly glide you to answer choice "e", which is the better of the five.

I hope I don't do this mistake during exams.. :pray :pray :pray :pray

Thanks for sharing such a nice question... :-)

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Despite having brought far more gear to the campground than they had in their previous camping trip, the Outdoor Club only had enough food for two days.

a)they had in their previous camping trip
b)their previous camping trip had had
c)they had for a previous camping trip
d)in their previous camping trip
e)for any previous camping trip



Am confused between A-D and E. In option A-E the pronouns they , their are referring to outdoor club, which should not be plural as its a group. Also if we go with meaning the sentence is talking about the club as a whole and not about its members. thus plural pronoun should not be used .

Because of this only E manages to stay afloat.

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The catch in the question is Outdoor Club this has to be singular, thus they / their will lead to wrong answer choices. This would smoothly glide you to answer choice "e", which is the better of the five.

When we look at a group / team, we always consider it singular, unless the meaning states that the group members were doing / performing different actions.

Take this for example

1. Indian Team IS the favorite for 2015 World Cup.
2. Indian Team IS playing well.

In the above two sentences, the team is singular since all the team members are aligned to to the same thing.

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Despite having brought far more gear to the campground than they had in their previous camping trip, the Outdoor Club only had enough food for two days.

a)they had in their previous camping trip
b)their previous camping trip had had
c)they had for a previous camping trip
d)in their previous camping trip
e)for any previous camping trip



Are you sure, the OA is C ?? It should be E.

We have a contradicting post despite-having-brought-far-more-gear-to-the-185856.html#p1422589.

Kindly sort this out, as this would create inconvenience to fellow group members.

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Despite having brought far more gear to the campground than they had in their previous camping trip, the Outdoor Club only had enough food for two days.

a)they had in their previous camping trip
b)their previous camping trip had had
c)they had for a previous camping trip
d)in their previous camping trip
e)for any previous camping trip



Are you sure, the OA is C ?? It should be E.

We have a contradicting post despite-having-brought-far-more-gear-to-the-185856.html#p1422589.

Kindly sort this out, as this would create inconvenience to fellow group members.

Thanks in advance :-D :-D :-D :-D


There are 2 contradicting post on the same question can you please sort them out.

I agree with your explaination of team and team members and when they can be treated as singular and when plural. And that is my basis for contending that of all the options only E seems to be right.

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Despite having brought far more gear to the campground than they had in their previous camping trip, the Outdoor Club only had enough food for two days.

a)they had in their previous camping trip
b)their previous camping trip had had
c)they had for a previous camping trip
d)in their previous camping trip
A, B, C, and D are wrong because "the Outdoor Club" is singular.

e)for any previous camping trip
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oh yeahhh !! one swift look and you can eliminate 4 options easily !!! have to be really careful for such questions !

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Despite having brought far more gear to the campground than they had in their previous camping trip, the Outdoor Club only had enough food for two days.

a)they had in their previous camping trip
b)their previous camping trip had had
c)they had for a previous camping trip
d)in their previous camping trip
e)for any previous camping trip


This is a fantastic question, and I realized that after I incorrectly marked C and was confused between A and C. While solving the question, I thought twice that the question may be wrong, but alas, I missed a point.

The catch in the question is Outdoor Club this has to be singular, thus they / their will lead to wrong answer choices. This would smoothly glide you to answer choice "e", which is the better of the five.

I hope I don't do this mistake during exams.. :pray :pray :pray :pray

Thanks for sharing such a nice question... :-)

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Thanks for a useful discussion here.

I understand how POE helps to get the right answer here [E]. However, I am a bit confused with the comparison here.

Are we comparing supplies that the army use when entered Russia with the support for any previous campaign?

If so, why can we omit the supplies in the correct answer "for any previous campaign"?

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The right way to do this question is to limit with what is mentioned in the underline part. The ‘they’ or ‘their’ has no antecedents in the context; they cannot refer to supplies because supplies do not carry out campaigns. The logical reference is to the army, which is a collective noun and singular. Any choice or choices that contain they or their cannot be right. This kicks out the first four choices A, B, C and D; go for the remaining E confidently on the exam.
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Are we comparing supplies that the army use when entered Russia with the support for any previous campaign?

Do you mean "supplies" (because I don't see "support" in the sentence).

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If so, why can we omit the supplies in the correct answer "for any previous campaign"?

That's called "ellipsis" and is quite common. For example: The orchard produced more mangoes than ever before:).

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Hello

If we choose option E, isn't the meaning of the original sentence compromised. The comparison was intended to be made to the last trip and if I go with any of the trips, it will change things here. Can you comment on this.

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Despite having brought far more gear to the campground than they had in their previous camping trip, the Outdoor Club only had enough food for two days.

a)they had in their previous camping trip
b)their previous camping trip had had
c)they had for a previous camping trip
d)in their previous camping trip
e)for any previous camping trip


This is a fantastic question, and I realized that after I incorrectly marked C and was confused between A and C. While solving the question, I thought twice that the question may be wrong, but alas, I missed a point.

The catch in the question is Outdoor Club this has to be singular, thus they / their will lead to wrong answer choices. This would smoothly glide you to answer choice "e", which is the better of the five.

I hope I don't do this mistake during exams.. :pray :pray :pray :pray

Thanks for sharing such a nice question... :-)

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While delving on this, I remembered a similar question from the OG.

Although Napoleons army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.

A. they had in their previous campaigns
B. their previous campaigns had had
C. they had for any previous campaign
D. in their previous campaigns
E. for any previous campaign

In this topic also the correct answer is E, for the same reasons explained in the outdoor club question
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For E to be the correct answer, shouldn't it compare the campground with any OTHER previous camping trip?

If the word OTHER is missing, it is implied that the Outdoor Club didn't go to a camping.

Am I wrong in my reasoning?

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options A,B and D are wrong due to use of plural pronoun
option C uses incorrect tense
Correct answer - E

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Army is a collective noun and is singular . We can eliminate choices A-D because they contain they or their .

Answer E
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Although Napoleon’s army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.
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The subject is army which is singular and hence correctly addressed by the singular pronoun "It". The clear mistake in the underlined portion and all choices A-D is all of them uses the plural pronoun "They" / "Their". once we find this the issue is resolved and only Option E omits that pronoun hence the right choice.

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Although Napoleons army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.

A. they had in their previous campaigns
B. their previous campaigns had had
C. they had for any previous campaign
D. in their previous campaigns
E. for any previous campaign

Hi, I added this question, because there posts don't include OA.


The Problem with this Sentence is Pronoun-Antecedent Error as highlighted above...

None except option (E) is correct !!
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