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Although Napoleon’s army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.

(A) they had in their previous campaigns
(B) their previous campaigns had had
(C) they had for any previous campaign
(D) in their previous campaigns
(E) for any previous campaign
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Despite having brought far more gear to the campground than they had in their previous camping trip, the Outdoor Club only had enough food for two days.

a)they had in their previous camping trip
b)their previous camping trip had had
c)they had for a previous camping trip
d)in their previous camping trip
e)for any previous camping trip


This is a fantastic question, and I realized that after I incorrectly marked C and was confused between A and C. While solving the question, I thought twice that the question may be wrong, but alas, I missed a point.

The catch in the question is Outdoor Club this has to be singular, thus they / their will lead to wrong answer choices. This would smoothly glide you to answer choice "e", which is the better of the five.

I hope I don't do this mistake during exams.. :pray :pray :pray :pray

Thanks for sharing such a nice question... :-)

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90. Although Napoleon’s army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.
(A) they had in their previous campaigns
(B) their previous campaigns had had
(C) they had for any previous campaign
(D) in their previous campaigns
(E) for any previous campaign

Please explain your ans!!!


key here 'army' is singular subject

'it had' correctly specifies this.

so only E - best.
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a)they had in their previous camping trip
b)their previous camping trip had had
c)they had for a previous camping trip
d)in their previous camping trip
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Hello eGMAT,

Nice explanation in the video. I bit more elaboration on the preposition 'in Vs for'. Can you provide couple of more examples that shows correct usage of both 'in' and 'for' ?


Hi umeshpatil,
Thank you for the post. :-)


Let’s first discuss try to understand the usage of ‘in’ and ‘for’ with a few simple examples:
Tom lives in Delhi. (Place)
Ron completed his graduation in 2008. (Point of time)

He will leave for London tonight. (Purpose)
She loves her job, for it is challenging. (Reason)
I have been preparing for GMAT for the last 6 months. (Time duration)

Let’s now discuss an official question to make your understanding more clear regarding the usage of the prepositions ‘in’ and ‘for’.

OFFICIAL QUESTION

• Along the major rivers that traverse the deserts of northeast Africa, the Middle East, and northwest India, the combination of a reliable supply of water and good growing conditions both encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endure in at least 6,000 years.

A. good growing conditions both encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endure in
B. good growing conditions encouraged farming traditions that have, in places, endured for
C. of good growing conditions have encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endured for
D. of good growing conditions both encouraged farming traditions that have, in places, endured
E. of good growing conditions encouraged farming traditions that have, in places, been enduring for


SENTENCE STRUCTURE
• Along the major rivers
o that traverse the deserts of northeast Africa, the Middle East, and northwest India,
• the combination of a reliable supply of water and good growing conditions both encouraged farming traditions
o that, in places, endure in at least 6,000 years.


MEANING ANALYSIS
• This sentence tells us about the area along the major rivers that flow through the deserts of northeast Africa, the Middle East, and northwest India.
• It says that in this area the combination of reliable water supply and good growing conditions promoted farming traditions.
o In some places, these farming traditions have endured over the last 6,000 years.

ERROR ANALYSIS
There are three errors in the given sentence.
1) Verb tense: ‘endure’ does not represent the longevity of the farming traditions. The farming traditions have been in existence for 6,000 years. This can’t be represented using the simple present tense.

2) Idiom: ‘in at least 6,000 years’ is incorrect idiomatic usage in this context. Let’s consider two examples:
I started working at e-GMAT in 2012. (To refer to a point of time)
I have worked at e-GMAT for 2 years. (To show a time duration)

3) Redundancy: In this sentence, ‘both’ is redundant since the word ‘combination’ conveys the intended meaning.


Let’s now analyze the correct option, i.e. option B.
OPTION B

• Along the major rivers
o that traverse the deserts of northeast Africa, the Middle East, and northwest India,
• the combination of a reliable supply of water and good growing conditions encouraged farming traditions
o that have, in places, endured for at least 6,000 years.


In this option, both ‘in’ and ‘for’ are correctly used.

Hope the above discussion helps! :-)

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Despite having brought far more gear to the campground than they had in their previous camping trip, the Outdoor Club only had enough food for two days.

a)they had in their previous camping trip
b)their previous camping trip had had
c)they had for a previous camping trip
d)in their previous camping trip
A, B, C, and D are wrong because "the Outdoor Club" is singular.

e)for any previous camping trip
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Although Napoleon’s army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.
(A) they had in their previous campaigns
(B) their previous campaigns had had
(C) they had for any previous campaign
(D) in their previous campaigns - their is not correct here. Napoleon's army and their - pronoun error
(E) for any previous campaign

Army is singular so eliminate a,b,c.Why is the answer e?Is'nt "d " better?



E is the best. Rest four of the answer choices have 'their' or 'they'.
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Hi there,

Let’s stick to the official question that reads:

Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.

Error Analysis:

1. Plural pronoun “they” does not agree in number with singular “army”.
2. This sentence compares “supplies” with “army”. This is not logical.

PoE:

(A) they had in their previous campaigns: Incorrect for the reasons stated above.

(B) their previous campaigns had had: Incorrect.
1. Repeats the pronoun error of choice A.
2. “supplies” has been compared with “their previous campaigns”.

(C) they had for any previous campaign: Incorrect. Repeats all the errors of choice A.

(D) in their previous campaigns: Incorrect. Plural pronoun “their” does not agree in number with singular “army”.

(E) for any previous campaign: Correct. The structure here is: …far more supplies than (supplies) for any previous campaign…

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a)they had in their previous camping trip
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90. Although Napoleon’s army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.
(A) they had in their previous campaigns
(B) their previous campaigns had had
(C) they had for any previous campaign
(D) in their previous campaigns
(E) for any previous campaign correct
from A to D number is wrong with pronoiun, Army is singular(collective noun)
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Although Napoleon’s army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.

(A) they had in their previous campaigns
Army is a collective noun thus its referent has to be singular.
(B) their previous campaigns had had
Same error here
(C) they had for any previous campaign
Same error here
(D) in their previous campaigns
Same error here
(E) for any previous campaign
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Basically every option that includes plural is wrong because "Army" is a collective noun so it is singular.
In "D." their has no antecedent .

Option "E" is perfectly correct and is parallel as it uses "for ...."

Hope it is clear ;)
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Despite having brought far more gear to the campground than they had in their previous camping trip, the Outdoor Club only had enough food for two days.

a)they had in their previous camping trip
b)their previous camping trip had had
c)they had for a previous camping trip
d)in their previous camping trip
e)for any previous camping trip



Are you sure, the OA is C ?? It should be E.

We have a contradicting post despite-having-brought-far-more-gear-to-the-185856.html#p1422589.

Kindly sort this out, as this would create inconvenience to fellow group members.

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Hi

Thanks for a useful discussion here.

I understand how POE helps to get the right answer here [E]. However, I am a bit confused with the comparison here.

Are we comparing supplies that the army use when entered Russia with the support for any previous campaign?

If so, why can we omit the supplies in the correct answer "for any previous campaign"?
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Are we comparing supplies that the army use when entered Russia with the support for any previous campaign?

Do you mean "supplies" (because I don't see "support" in the sentence).

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If so, why can we omit the supplies in the correct answer "for any previous campaign"?

That's called "ellipsis" and is quite common. For example: The orchard produced more mangoes than ever before:).
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Although Napolean's army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns,it had provisions for only twenty-four days.
A) same as underlined Pronoun error
B) their previous campaigns had had,Pronoun error
c) they had for any previous campaign,Pronoun error
D) in their previous campaigns,Pronoun error
E) for any previous campaigns, Correct


I have no doubt with the answer, but as per the solution provided by the GMAC, in options a and c, the verb should be had had. First HAD to show possesiveness and the second HAD to show the sequence of events. Now my doubt is that if there is already a word PREVIOUSLY to show the sequence of event, then is it really necessary to use the second HAD?


The non underlined part It has provisions...Clearly tells us the subject is singular. And all options ABCD include they as pronoun for the subject. So we can eliminate all options except E.
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This is the modified version of the OG topic, given below.

Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.

(A) they had in their previous campaigns
(B) their previous campaigns had had
(C) they had for any previous campaign
(D) in their previous campaigns
(E) for any previous campaign

The correct answer for the above original version is E, which is indisputable, because it is OG’s OA.

In the new version all the plural pronouns have been changed to singular pronouns. But still the OG’s correct answer namely E remains, since both choices are verbatim the same. The other choices are null and void, since no GMAT questions will have two correct answers.


But to go deep into the topic, this is a question of comparisons. More supplies are being compared with the army in A and C, campaigns in B. The comparison should be from campaign to campaign. It cannot be between the Russian campaign on one hand and all the campaigns put together on the other hand. This is like saying Simla apple has more nutrients than in other apples, an unequal comparison.So, D is gone. This leaves us with E, where campaign to campaign is compared.
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This is the modified version of the OG topic, given below.

Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.

(A) they had in their previous campaigns
(B) their previous campaigns had had
(C) they had for any previous campaign
(D) in their previous campaigns
(E) for any previous campaign

The correct answer for the above original version is E, which is indisputable, because it is OG’s OA.

In the new version all the plural pronouns have been changed to singular pronouns. But still the OG’s correct answer namely E remains, since both choices are verbatim the same. The other choices are null and void, since no GMAT questions will have two correct answers.


But to go deep into the topic, this is a question of comparisons. More supplies are being compared with the army in A and C, campaigns in B. The comparison should be from campaign to campaign. It cannot be between the Russian campaign on one hand and all the campaigns put together on the other hand. This is like saying Simla apple has more nutrients than in other apples, an unequal comparison.So, D is gone. This leaves us with E, where campaign to campaign is compared.



I'm not a fan of this modified OG problem. Anyways, I fail to understand your reasoning behind the highlighted portion.
I think it is supplies vs supplies here.
Can you please elaborate.
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Let’s stick to the official question that reads:

Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.

Error Analysis:

1. Plural pronoun “they” does not agree in number with singular “army”.
2. This sentence compares “supplies” with “army”. This is not logical.

PoE:

(A) they had in their previous campaigns: Incorrect for the reasons stated above.

(B) their previous campaigns had had: Incorrect.
1. Repeats the pronoun error of choice A.
2. “supplies” has been compared with “their previous campaigns”.

(C) they had for any previous campaign: Incorrect. Repeats all the errors of choice A.

(D) in their previous campaigns: Incorrect. Plural pronoun “their” does not agree in number with singular “army”.

(E) for any previous campaign: Correct. The structure here is: …far more supplies than (supplies) for any previous campaign…

Hope this helps. :)
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Shraddha,

I understand why E is correct because of the pronoun issue. I'm still not comfortable with the comparison issue in A.

Let me elaborate a bit more:

If I re-write this sentence as:
Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than it had in its previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.

I don't see any error in the above.
Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than (supplies) it had in its previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.

Isn't supply understood here?
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