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# Although William Pereira first gained national recognition

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29 Apr 2016, 11:44
abypatra wrote:
Can someone please tell me how we know that "that", "those" is referring to the movie set designs? I know the OA is E but that/those could might as well be referring to recognition, in which the case the answer could be B.

It is generally wrong in GMAT to introduce an example using "like". Thus an example of recognition should have been introduced with "such as".
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25 Mar 2017, 14:56
I was confused with like and including

I guess including here is fine, because like is used for comparison between nouns, isn't it?
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26 Mar 2017, 14:37
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I was confused with like and including

I guess including here is fine, because like is used for comparison between nouns, isn't it?

Yes, "including" is alright - added OA.
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My one doubt: Does choice A contain the word 'will' It should going by the underlined part in the prompt. Many transcripts do not seem to carry the "will, straight away rejecting choice A. If you are bent upon using the "will" then future generations 'would' remember might be more grammatical.
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11 Apr 2017, 10:04
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Although William Pereira first gained national recognition for his movie set designs, including those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations will remember him as the architect of the Transamerica Tower, the Malibu campus of Pepperdine University, and the city of Irvine.

we have "designs", therefore, we need a pronoun in plural form.
C & D are out right away.

future generations will - future generations can't remember him NOW, because they are future one...thus, we need WILL. B&E are out.

only A stands.
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19 Apr 2017, 09:04
i opted for E and i need an explanation why option E is wrong.

IMO, event happened in the past and if u consider that past event as time reference , then any generation after that will be considered as future generation. So this includes future generation of the past as well ( 18th century(time reference ), 19th century (future generation in the past if we consider 18th century as reference and 20th century as present) and 21th century(future generation of the coming future considering 20th century as the present ))

so simple present tense should be correct in this case.
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26 May 2017, 06:28
marshpa wrote:
A for me.

a. including those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations will
b. like those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations
like is not correct here and will is missing in the end
c. like that for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations will
that refers to like
d. including that for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations will
doubtful but prefers A over this.
e. including those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations
missing will

why you picked those over that. thank you.
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26 May 2017, 06:58
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marshpa wrote:
A for me.

a. including those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations will
b. like those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations
like is not correct here and will is missing in the end
c. like that for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations will
that refers to like
d. including that for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations will
doubtful but prefers A over this.
e. including those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations
missing will

why you picked those over that. thank you.

Hi saarthak299 ,

'Those' is picked over 'that' because we are talking about plural 'designs'.

Although William Pereira first gained national recognition for his movie set designs, including those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild

It means the designs we are mentioning include the designs of 1942 film.

I hope that makes sense.
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Why is D wrong? What if "Reap the Wild Wind" had only ONE set design?

I have exactly same thoughts.
How do we know that he made "multiple" designs for "Reap the Wild Wind"?
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Perhaps a single set for a film that runs for 90 to 120 minutes is structurally feasible like the mono - acting films of Shakespearean plays of the past, but how logical is that single set feature? This is where meaning comes into practical play in GMAT questions. 'Those' is the logical preference over 'that'.
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26 May 2017, 12:21
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Perhaps a single set for a film that runs for 90 to 120 minutes is structurally feasible like the mono - acting films of Shakespearean plays of the past, but how logical is that single set feature? This is where meaning comes into practical play in GMAT questions. 'Those' is the logical preference over 'that'.

Thanks for this clarification.
Well, looks like, in this case, the question expects us to know the nuances of film-making..or I may be too dumb.
My understanding was that you could have one big "set" for a movie with many "scenes" filmed inside the same set. For example, a quick search found this article:
Bizarre things that happened on the set of Harry Potter

Note that the headline says: set not sets.
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Yes, the caption says set, but strangely the lengthy article itself does not say 'set', at least as far as I could dabble. This tempts me to think that all of the Harry Potter films were shot on one single set because the title says just 'set'. The article describes many scenes that include a train, a drowning, a tall tree, and a fire accident and so on

Alternatively, is the use of set so idiomatic that we take 'set' as the collective noun for a variety of scenes and move on?

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Although William Pereira first gained national recognition for his movie set designs, including those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations will remember him as the architect of the Transamerica Tower, the Malibu campus of Pepperdine University, and the city of Irvine.

a. including those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations will
b. like those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations
c. like that for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations will
d. including that for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations will
e. including those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations

Hi GMATNinja,

Hello Sir,

My question is regarding the usage of "will" in the OA.

My understanding is that if we see the time frame, any time after WP's time is "future" so all generations after him are future generation ...
With that in mind, if I read the first part of the sentence "Although William Pereira first gained national recognition for" the past tense of the verb indicates that the author of the sentence is sitting somewhere in the future (after WP's time) and is talking about WP and its achievement.

Hence, if the author is already in the future and talks about future generation he may not use "will" ...Its simple enough to that "future generations remember..."

May be am just overthinking this one but "tenses" makes me nervous so a clarification on this one can really make picture a bit more clear...

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Hi GMATNinja,

Hello Sir,

My question is regarding the usage of "will" in the OA.

My understanding is that if we see the time frame, any time after WP's time is "future" so all generations after him are future generation ...
With that in mind, if I read the first part of the sentence "Although William Pereira first gained national recognition for" the past tense of the verb indicates that the author of the sentence is sitting somewhere in the future (after WP's time) and is talking about WP and its achievement.

Hence, if the author is already in the future and talks about future generation he may not use "will" ...Its simple enough to that "future generations remember..."

May be am just overthinking this one but "tenses" makes me nervous so a clarification on this one can really make picture a bit more clear...

Hi mihir0710 ,

Here comes the meaning of the sentence. The author is first saying something about the past. Then commented something about the future.

So, Author is sitting in the present.

He says WP gained something in the past. We dont know anything about present but we know that future generations "will" remember him.

So, this is completely acceptable form.

Let me take an example,

I got 800 on GMAT, so I think I will get my dream B School , Harvard.

OR you can take this example:

Although I got 790 on GMAT, I will get my dream B School , Harvard.

Do you see the change in tense? This is what the current author has done.

Let me know in case of any concern.
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saarthak299 wrote:
marshpa wrote:
A for me.

a. including those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations will
b. like those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations
like is not correct here and will is missing in the end
c. like that for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations will
that refers to like
d. including that for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations will
doubtful but prefers A over this.
e. including those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations
missing will

why you picked those over that. thank you.

Hi saarthak299 ,

'Those' is picked over 'that' because we are talking about plural 'designs'.

Although William Pereira first gained national recognition for his movie set designs, including those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild

It means the designs we are mentioning include the designs of 1942 film.

I hope that makes sense.

The issue that I have with this explanation is that there's no way we could know how many sets he built for that movie.

Check this example:

Although Ronaldo first gained national recognition for his goals, including THAT/THOSE against Barcelona in September of 2005, future generations will remember him as the best dribbler the world has ever seen.

How can we know how many goals he scored during that game? It could have been 1 or 5 for all we know. Is there something I'm getting wrong? Thanks for explanations.
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The issue that I have with this explanation is that there's no way we could know how many sets he built for that movie.

Check this example:

Although Ronaldo first gained national recognition for his goals, including THAT/THOSE against Barcelona in September of 2005, future generations will remember him as the best dribbler the world has ever seen.

How can we know how many goals he scored during that game? It could have been 1 or 5 for all we know. Is there something I'm getting wrong? Thanks for explanations.

Hi wodan ,

Please look at the the explanation given here.

Let us know in case of further concerns.
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It makes perfect sense. Sometimes I get a feeling that minor information from sentence can sway the answer one way or another, or that making assumptions is wrong (mostly from CR or RC). I guess I need to be able to differentiate between the two situations. Thank you for your help!
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Although William Pereira first gained national recognition for his movie set designs, including those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations will remember him as the architect of the Transamerica Tower, the Malibu campus of Pepperdine University, and the city of Irvine.

a. including those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations will
b. like those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations
c. like that for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations will
d. including that for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations will
e. including those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations

Between A and D, what is the difference? That and those, please advice on how to use the two. And, why is THOSE incorrect, here.

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It may be noted here that 'set' is an adjective for the plural noun 'designs'. Therefore, 'that' has no reference. The singular ' that' cannot stand for the plural designs.
'That' as a subordinate conjunction can stand as the connector for the following clause, in which case it can take both singular or plural things.
Example: Retail sales rose 8/10 of 1 percent in August, intensifying expectations that personal spending in the July-September quarter more than doubled
Here you can see that 'those' doesn't gel in spite of the plural 'expectations'. The take away is: if there is a clause after 'that', do not bother about using 'that'

P.S; Are you sure 'those ' as in A is incorrect?
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A set could have only one design, which could mean that THAT would be more accurate than THOSE. But like stated above, you need to assume that in 1942, movies had more than one design.
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