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Among the objects found in the excavated temple were small terra-cotta effigies left by supplicants who were either asking the goddess Bona Dea’s aid in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help.

(A) in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help
(B) in healing physical and mental ills and to thank her for helping
(C) in healing physical and mental ills, and thanking her for helping
(D) to heal physical and mental ills or to thank her for such help
(E) to heal physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help


WHY USE OF TO HEAL IS WRONG... ????

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Among the objects found in the excavated temple were small terra-cotta effigies left by supplicants who were either asking the goddess Bona Dea's aid in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help.

(A) in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help
(B) in healing physical and mental ills and to thank her for helping
(C) in healing physical and mental ills, and thanking her for helping
(D) to heal physical and mental ills or to thank her for such help
(E) to heal physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help


Among the objects found in the excavated temple were small terra-cotta effigies left by supplicants who were either asking the goddess Bona Dea's aid in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help.

(A) in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help
(B) in healing physical and mental ills and to thank her for helping>>Parallelism is not ok.
(C) in healing physical and mental ills, and thanking her for helping>>parallelism is not ok.
(D) to heal physical and mental ills or to thank her for such help>>parallelism is not ok.
(E) to heal physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help>> it seems to me that 'to heal' (infinitive) is ok. BUT, why 'in healing' is ok??
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Look for a difference between "aid to" and "aid in".

You will get your answer. :-D
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iMyself wrote:

Among the objects found in the excavated temple were small terra-cotta effigies left by supplicants who were either asking the goddess Bona Dea's aid in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help.

(A) in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help
(B) in healing physical and mental ills and to thank her for helping>>Parallelism is not ok.
(C) in healing physical and mental ills, and thanking her for helping>>parallelism is not ok.
(D) to heal physical and mental ills or to thank her for such help>>parallelism is not ok.
(E) to heal physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help>> it seems to me that 'to heal' (infinitive) is ok. BUT, why 'in healing' is ok??
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Look for a difference between "aid to" and "aid in".

You will get your answer. :-D

There is no phrase in Cambridge dictionary like 'aid in' brother.
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iMyself wrote:

Among the objects found in the excavated temple were small terra-cotta effigies left by supplicants who were either asking the goddess Bona Dea's aid in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help.

(A) in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help
(B) in healing physical and mental ills and to thank her for helping>>Parallelism is not ok.
(C) in healing physical and mental ills, and thanking her for helping>>parallelism is not ok.
(D) to heal physical and mental ills or to thank her for such help>>parallelism is not ok.
(E) to heal physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help>> it seems to me that 'to heal' (infinitive) is ok. BUT, why 'in healing' is ok??
Thanks...


Look for a difference between "aid to" and "aid in".

You will get your answer. :-D

There is no phrase in Cambridge dictionary like 'aid in' brother.


I thought you would be looking for the idiomatic usage.

Anyways, I hope the below link might help you to some extent. :-D

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Among the objects found in the excavated temple were small terra-cotta effigies left by supplicants who were either asking the goddess Bona Dea's aid in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help.

(A) in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help
(B) in healing physical and mental ills and to thank her for helping>>Parallelism is not ok.
(C) in healing physical and mental ills, and thanking her for helping>>parallelism is not ok.
(D) to heal physical and mental ills or to thank her for such help>>parallelism is not ok.
(E) to heal physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help>> it seems to me that 'to heal' (infinitive) is ok. BUT, why 'in healing' is ok??
Thanks...

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There is no phrase in Cambridge dictionary like 'aid in' brother

Dear iMyself,

I'm happy to respond. :-)

My friend, this is a matter of idioms. Dictionaries may list some of more typical idioms for a particular word, but there is no way that a dictionary could list every possible idiom that could accompany a word. The absence of a possible idiom from a dictionary entry establishes nothing.

The construction with "aid" + [infinitive] is awkward.
asking the goddess Bona Dea's aid to heal physical and mental ills ...
This is not "wrong," but it sounds "off." Presumably, the infinitive used here would be an infinitive of purpose, but there is something logically suspect about this. An infinitive of purpose is typically not how we express the intent of a request we make of someone. Again, this is not B/W wrong, but it is palpably "off" in a way that is immediately obvious to a well-spoken native speaker.

By contrast, the construction with "in" is idiomatically correct.
asking the goddess Bona Dea's aid in healing physical and mental ills
To a native ear, this strikes a note of rightness that the other lacks. This is a valid idiom.

I realize that this is the hardest thing for folks learning English as a second language to appreciate, that intuitive sense of "rightness" about the language. I sincerely say that anyone who, starting from another language, has gotten up to GMAT level in English has my complete respect: that is a tremendous achievement in and of itself. At the same time, it takes tremendous additional effort for a non-native speaker who is already highly competent in English to build this deep intuitive sense of "rightness," and few students have the stamina or the patience for such work. The difference maker is the habit of reading, which over times builds intuition. See:
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Few themes here:

- Parallelism (either/or): "either asking" NON-UNDERLINED, so "or thanking".
--> Elim B, D

- Parallelism (asking and thanking -- should be same tense)
--> Elim E

- Proper Idiom: Either/Or
--> Elim B, C

Answer clearly A


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https://magoosh.com/gmat/2013/gmat-prep ... in-and-by/
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Among the objects found in the excavated temple were small terra-cotta effigies left by supplicants who
were either asking the goddess Bona Dea’s aid in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such
help.
A. in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help
Correct as it is ..
It uses correct form of idiom “either …or” unlike some of the other options.
Also, the usage of “aid in healing” is perfectly fine.

B. in healing physical and mental ills and to thank her for helping
“either ….or” idiom is tweaked “either …and” !!!

C. in healing physical and mental ills, and thanking her for helping
Same Error as option B

D. to heal physical and mental ills or to thank her for such help
“Either asking ….or thanking” is required…”to thank” is Not parallel with “asking”

E. to heal physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help
Note that “aid” here is used a noun (Bona Dea’s Aid) and hence no preposition should follow “aid”
So usage of “to heal” after aid is ungrammatical.
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I'm happy to respond. :-)

My friend, I am going to chide you for asking a not-very-helpful question. This thread is five pages long: it is full of all kinds of discussions. What exactly is the dispute or uncertainty that requires attention? Your question is not helpful to us experts and it also was not helpful to you. Think about it. How much time did it take to write and post that question? How much effort did it take? How much thoughtful reflection went into crafting that question? The process of education is very much a reflection of what you bring: low effort brings meager rewards and high effort brings substantial rewards. If you aspire to an excellent performance, I strongly recommend the habits of excellence. One of these concerns the often underrated value of crafting high quality questions. See:
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You see, the reflection and thoughtful effort it takes to craft an excellent question is actually an essential and often neglected part of the learning process. It's important to bring as much diligence and priority to this task as to the other learning tasks. How you do anything is how you do everything.

Here's my challenge to you. Come back to this thread and study it carefully. Think about the exact issue that you believe need clarification. Explain what you understand from all the parties who discussed that topic, cite all the relevant authors & entries, explain exactly what you understand and exactly the part that is still unclear to you. If you ask that excellent question, I will be more than happy to respond.

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Dear bpiyush,

I'm happy to respond. :-)

My friend, I am going to chide you for asking a not-very-helpful question. This thread is five pages long: it is full of all kinds of discussions. What exactly is the dispute or uncertainty that requires attention? Your question is not helpful to us experts and it also was not helpful to you. Think about it. How much time did it take to write and post that question? How much effort did it take? How much thoughtful reflection went into crafting that question? The process of education is very much a reflection of what you bring: low effort brings meager rewards and high effort brings substantial rewards. If you aspire to an excellent performance, I strongly recommend the habits of excellence. One of these concerns the often underrated value of crafting high quality questions. See:
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You see, the reflection and thoughtful effort it takes to craft an excellent question is actually an essential and often neglected part of the learning process. It's important to bring as much diligence and priority to this task as to the other learning tasks. How you do anything is how you do everything.

Here's my challenge to you. Come back to this thread and study it carefully. Think about the exact issue that you believe need clarification. Explain what you understand from all the parties who discussed that topic, cite all the relevant authors & entries, explain exactly what you understand and exactly the part that is still unclear to you. If you ask that excellent question, I will be more than happy to respond.

Does all this make sense?
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Dear mikemcgarry,
Thanks for your reply. I highly appreciate this forum and the efforts that have been put forward by all the members. I am sorry for my question that did not reflect the doubt I actually had. So my doubt is between the options A and E which would be better. I am facing difficulty in that. I do understand the question brings in the concept of correlative conjunctions and parallelism. I do understand the usage of asking after either would require the usage of thanking after or. But whether it should be in healing or to heal there lies my doubt.
Please help me with this doubt.
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Dear mikemcgarry,
Thanks for your reply. I highly appreciate this forum and the efforts that have been put forward by all the members. I am sorry for my question that did not reflect the doubt I actually had. So my doubt is between the options A and E which would be better. I am facing difficulty in that. I do understand the question brings in the concept of correlative conjunctions and parallelism. I do understand the usage of asking after either would require the usage of thanking after or. But whether it should be in healing or to heal there lies my doubt.
Please help me with this doubt.
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Dear bpiyush,

I'm happy to respond. :-) Thank you for asking a much better question.

What you are asking is an idiom question. I will recommend these free resource:
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The correct idiom is: to ask for aid in doing X.

The infinitive sound unnatural in this context. It's close to an infinitive of purpose, but it doesn't work here.

It's hard to learn all the nuances of idioms. I strongly recommend developing a habit of reading. See:
How to Improve Your GMAT Verbal Score

Does all this make sense?
Mike :-)
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Hi.. i have a query here. The question first talks about Bona Die's AID.. and then it says thanking HER for such help. Is that correct?

Do explain what i am missing here.
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Hi Shraddha, I am assuming your question is how an object pronoun (her) can refer to possessive noun (Bona Dea's).

Similarly, there are instances where Subject pronoun referring to possessive noun.

So, the answer is that GMAT takes a liberal view of these references.

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Among the objects found in the excavated temple were small terra-cotta effigies left by supplicants who were either asking the goddess Bona Dea's aid in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help.

(A) in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help
(B) in healing physical and mental ills and to thank her for helping
(C) in healing physical and mental ills, and thanking her for helping
(D) to heal physical and mental ills or to thank her for such help
(E) to heal physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help


'Either' requires it's correlative conjunction pair 'Or', so just this fact knocks off 'B' and 'C'. 'aid to' is unidiomatic so this knocks off 'D' and 'E'. Moreover in option 'D' the structure after 'or' (infinitive form) is not parallel to the structure after 'either'. So we have another good reason to eliminate 'D'
'Option A' is the correct answer which has the correlative conjunction pair of 'either' which is 'or' and it also maintains parallelism in both the elements of the 'Either' 'Or' Construct.
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Limiting to just E alone-- why the infinitive is wrong---We may say correctly that X asks Y to help; however, it doesn't mean correct to say X asks Y's something to help. It is ok to say that Tom asks Dick to help him in GMAT. It is not right to say that Tom asks Dick's experience to help. Therefore the infinitive 'to heal' as in D and E is not conveying the correct meaning as the supplicants are asking Des's aid to help rather than Dea.
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A is correct choice here
"in healing physical and mental ills or thanking her for such help"

1)either ..or contruction is required
2)asking goddess or thanking her maintains parallelism here

"aid .. in" is correct idiom instead of "aid.. to"

D also has parallelism in choice but it distorts the same by
asking the goddess or to thank her
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