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Originally posted by Manbehindthecurtain on 03 May 2008, 09:11.
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Are x and y both positive?(1) \(2x2y=1\). Well this one is clearly insufficient. You can do it with number plugging OR consider the following: both x and y are positive means that point (x,y) is in the I quadrant. \(2x2y=1\) > \(y=x\frac{1}{2}\). We know it's an equation of a line and basically the question asks whether this line (all (x,y) points of this line) is only in I quadrant. This line for sure passes I quadrant (for example, x = 1.5 and y = 1) but it cannot entirely be only in I quadrant, so there must be some (x, y) points whose coordinates are not both positive. Not sufficient. (2) \(\frac{x}{y}>1\) > x and y have the same sign. But we don't know whether they are both positive or both negative. Not sufficient. (1)+(2) Again it can be done with different approaches. You should just find the one which is the less timeconsuming and comfortable for you personally. One of the approaches: From (1): \(2x2y=1\), so \(x=y+\frac{1}{2}\) From (2): \(\frac{x}{y}>1\); Substitute x into (2): \(\frac{y + \frac{1}{2}}{y}>1\); \(1 + \frac{1}{2y}>1\); \(\frac{1}{2y}>0\); \(y > 0\). \(y\) is positive. Thus, \(x=y+\frac{1}{2}=positive+positive=positive\). So, \(x\) is positive too. Sufficient. Answer: C. You can also check GRAPHIC APPROACH below.
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Are x and y both positive?GRAPHIC APPROACH.Notice that the question is basically asks whether the point (x, y) is in the first quadrant. (1) \(2x  2y = 1\). Draw line \(y=x\frac{1}{2}\): Not sufficient. (2) \(\frac{x}{y} > 1\). Draw line \(\frac{x}{y}=1\). The solutions is the green region: Not sufficient. (1)+(2) Intersection is the portion of the blue line which lies in the first quadrant. Sufficient. Answer: C. Attachment:
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16 Aug 2012, 09:35
I got it correct but took approx 2.5 minutes.
stmnt 1 : insufficient by plugging numbers stmnt 2 : x/y >1 => not suff as bot x and y can be ve or both +ve.
combined :
from stmnt 1 we have
x=y+1/2 => x/y = 1+1/2y => suppose x/y is 2 as x/y>1 => 2=1+1/2y = y=1/2 henc x=1
both positive.
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Are x and y both positive?
1) 2x2y=1 2(xy)=1 xy=1/2 >3/41/4=1/2....YES >1/4(3/4)=1/2...NO INSUFFICIENT
2) x/y>1 This just means that x and y have the same sign. They're either both positive or both negative. INSUFFICIENT
1&2) x=1/2+y
(1/2+y)/y>1 y/2 + 1 > 1 y/2 > 0 which means that Y is greater than 0. And since both x and y have the same sign, both x and y are Positive. YES.
Answer is C.



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harikattamudi wrote: I'm still not clear why X and Y has to be positive when X/Y > 1. Can you please explain the way you combined taking both X and Y to be positive and also X and Y as negative. Since in either case X/Y will be > 1.
Thanks H From (2) \(\frac{x}{y}>1\), we can only deduce that x and y have the same sigh (either both positive or both negative). When we consider two statement together: From (1): \(2x2y=1\) > \(x=y+\frac{1}{2}\) From (2): \(\frac{x}{y}>1\) > \(\frac{x}{y}1>0\) > \(\frac{xy}{y}>0\) > substitute \(x\) from (1) > \(\frac{y+\frac{1}{2}y}{y}>0\)> \(\frac{1}{2y}>0\) ( we can drop 2 as it won't affect anything here and write as I wrote \(\frac{1}{y}>0\), but basically it's the same) > \(\frac{1}{2y}>0\) means \(y\) is positive, and from (2) we know that if y is positive x must also be positive. OR: as \(y\) is positive and as from (1) \(x=y+\frac{1}{2}\), \(x=positive+\frac{1}{2}=positive\), hence \(x\) is positive too. Hope it helps.
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20 Jul 2010, 12:41
I found this one easiest to solve by drawing a graph. Clearly 1) and 2) alone are not sufficient as discussed, so what remains to be seen is if 2) adds enough information to 1) to determine if both x and y are positive.
Drawing a quick graph of the line y=x1/2 we find that the xintercept of the line is (0.5,0) and the yintercept is (0,0.5). From this graph we can clearly see that we don't need to worry about anything in the 4th quadrant (+x/y is not >1) or the 3rd quadrant (x<y, therefore x/y is not >1). All that is left is the 1st quadrant, in which x and y are both positive.
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sam2010 wrote: Here is my confusion. Here is how I approached the question 1. 2x2y=1 so xy=.5
now x=1, y=.5 or x=1/4, y=1/4 so can't tell
2. x/y>1 x>y so again can't tell.
Now if we combine both still the options x=1, x=.5 is true and so is the option x=1/4, y=1/4 true
So can't tell hence E. I know this is not the correct answer but what am I missing? Problem with your solution is that the red part is not correct. \(\frac{x}{y}>1\) does not mean that \(x>y\). If both x and y are positive, then \(x>y\), BUT if both are negative, then \(x<y\). From (2) \(\frac{x}{y}>1\), we can only deduce that x and y have the same sigh (either both positive or both negative).
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C is the answer. Question: Is x > 0 AND y > 0?
Statement 1: 2x  2y = 1 => 2(x  y) = 1 => x  y = 1/2 This just tells us that the difference is positive. But this can be true for cases when both x and y are positive, and when both x and y are negative. For instance, x = 1.5, y = 1 => x  y = 0.5; also, x = 1, y = 1.5 => x  y = 0.5. Thus, INSUFFICIENT.
Statement 2: x/y > 1 This just tells us that x and y have the same sign. That is, both are positive or both are negative. INSUFFICIENT.
Combining these statements, we can use the same numbers used in Statement 1 to find out that both the cases together do not work for negative numbers. For instance, x = 1, y = 1.5 => x  y = 0.5. However, x/y < 1. This violates statement 2.
Thus, the combination of the given statements tells us that x and y both have to be positive. => x > 0 AND y > 0. SUFFICIENT.



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Statement (1): xy = 1/2. We can have x=1,y=1/2. Can also have x=0,y=1/2. Insufficient. Statement (2): x/y>1. We can have x=3,y=2. Can also have x=3,y=2. Insufficient. Combining both, (y+1/2)/y > 1 => 1/2y>0 => y>0 Also as x/y>1, x must be>0. Sufficient. C it is.
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Manbehindthecurtain wrote: Are x and y both positive?
(1) 2x2y = 1 (2) x/y > 1 Target question: Are x and y both positive? Statement 1: 2x  2y = 1 There are several pairs of numbers that satisfy this condition. Here are two: Case a: x = 1 and y = 0.5, in which case x and y are both positiveCase b: x = 0.5 and y = 1, in which case x and y are not both positiveSince we cannot answer the target question with certainty, statement 1 is NOT SUFFICIENT Statement 2: x/y > 1 This tells us that x/y is positive. This means that either x and y are both positive or x and y are both negative. Here are two possible cases: Case a: x = 4 and y = 2, in which case x and y are both positiveCase b: x = 4 and y = 2, in which case x and y are not both positiveSince we cannot answer the target question with certainty, statement 2 is NOT SUFFICIENT Statements 1 and 2Statement 1 tells us that 2x  2y = 1. Divide both sides by 2 to get: x  y = 1/2 Solve for x to get x = y + 1/2 Now take the statement 2 inequality (x/y > 1) and replace x with y + 1/2 to get: (y + 1/2)/y > 1 Rewrite as: y/y + (1/2)/y > 1 Simplify: 1 + 1/(2y) > 1 Subtract 1 from both sides: 1/(2y) > 0 If 1/(2y) is positive, then y must be positive. Statement 2 tells us that either x and y are both positive or x and y are both negative. Now that we know that y is positive, it must be the case that x and y are both positiveSince we can now answer the target question with certainty, the combined statements are SUFFICIENT Answer: C Cheers, Brent
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zerotoinfinite2006 wrote: Manbehindthecurtain wrote: Are x and Y both positive?
1) 2X2Y = 1 2) (x/y) > 1
I guessed and got it right with a 50/50 guess at the end. What I have done here is this 1) 2x  2y = 1 hence x  y = \frac{1}{2} {Dividing both side by 2} In sufficient 2) x > y Alone in sufficient When (1) + (2) We can say that if X is greater than y than xy will yield a positive result.Please correct me if I am wrong First of all: the question is "are x and Y both positive?" not whether "xy will yield a positive result". Next, the red part is not correct. \(\frac{x}{y}>1\) does not mean that \(x>y\). If both \(x\) and \(y\) are positive, then \(x>y\), BUT if both are negative, then \(x<y\). What you are actually doing when writing \(x>y\) from \(\frac{x}{y}>1\) is multiplying both parts of inequality by \(y\): never multiply (or reduce) an inequality by variable (or by an expression with variable) if you don't know the sign of it or are not certain that variable (or expression with variable) doesn't equal to zero.So from (2) \(\frac{x}{y}>1\), we can only deduce that \(x\) and \(y\) have the same sigh (either both positive or both negative). See the complete solution of this problem in my previous post. Hope it helps.
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1 is not suff, x = 0, y = 1/2 2 is not suff,x and y can be both ve Combining both : x  y = 1/2 and (x  y)/y > 0 so 1/2/y > 0 => y is +ve and because x  y is +ve, x is +ve as well. So answer is C.
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St 1) 2x2y = 1 => 2 (xy) = 1 => xy =1/2 => all this tells us is that x > y (could be positive or negative) == hence INSUFF
St 2) x/y > 1 => we don't know if y is (+) or () . So we have two cases:
if y positive, then x>y; if y negative, then x<y (again INSUFF)
Combining 1) and 2) we get x>y (from 1) ...which means y is positive (from 2)
Hence, if y is positive, and x >y, then x is also positive. SUFF!!
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Here is my confusion. Here is how I approached the question 1. 2x2y=1 so xy=.5
now x=1, y=.5 or x=1/4, y=1/4 so can't tell
2. x/y>1 x>y so again can't tell.
Now if we combine both still the options x=1, x=.5 is true and so is the option x=1/4, y=1/4 true
So can't tell hence E. I know this is not the correct answer but what am I missing?



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Manbehindthecurtain wrote: Are x and Y both positive?
1) 2X2Y = 1 2) (x/y) > 1
I guessed and got it right with a 50/50 guess at the end. What I have done here is this 1) 2x  2y = 1 hence x  y = \frac{1}{2} {Dividing both side by 2} In sufficient 2) [fraction]x > y[/fraction] Alone in sufficient When (1) + (2) We can say that if X is greater than y than xy will yield a positive result. Please correct me if I am wrong



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Manbehindthecurtain wrote: Are x and y both positive?
(1) 2x2y = 1 (2) x/y > 1 1. xy = 1/2 This means that the distance between x and y is 1/2 unit and that x is greater than y. But x and y could be positive such as x=5 and y=4.5, OR x and y could be both negative such as x=4 and y=4.5 INSUFFICIENT. 2. x/y > 1 This shows that x and y must be positive meaning they are either both (+) or both (). ex) x/y = 5/2 OR x/y = 5/2 = 5/2 still > 1 INSUFFICIENT. Combine. Let x = 5 and y=9/2: 5/(9/2) = 10/9 > 1  This means when x and y are both positive it could be a solution to x/y > 1 Let x = 4 and y=9/2: 4/(9/2) = 8/9 < 1  This means when x and y are negative it could not be a solution to x/y > 1 Thus, SUFFICIENT that x and y are both positive. Answer: C



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imhimanshu wrote: Hello Bunuel, Request you to please provide your comments on the doubt posted here
Usually, whenever I see combining an inequality and equation, I substitute the value of one of the variable in the inequality and then analyze the effect. So, going by that approach;
xy=1/2 (1) x/y>1 (2) Substituting the value of x in equation(2)
(y+1/2)/y>1
Lets assume that y is positive
(y+1/2) > y
1/2>0 This means that our assumption is true since 1/2 is greater than Zero. Hence, y > 0
Now, Lets assume that y is negative
Now, here I'm stuck, I know that multiplying by a negative number changes the sign of the inequality. I'm sure that the sign will be changed but what would be the resulting equation. I mean, do we need to replace y with "y" in the whole equation. Please clarify. Which of the following would be correct then
a) y+1/2 <y b) y+1/2 < y c) y+1/2 < y
Please help. Thanks Refer to the highlighted portion : Actually you don't have to take 2 cases at this point: The expression you have is : \(\frac{y+0.5}{y}>1 \to 1+\frac{0.5}{y}>1 \to \frac{1}{y}>0\)> Hence, y>0. As for your doubt, if y is negative, we crossmultiply it and get : \(y+0.5<y \to 0>0.5\), which is absurd. If y is negative, then y would be positive, and for multiplying a positive quantity, you don't need to flip signs. So , yes expression a is correct.
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Manbehindthecurtain wrote: Are x and y both positive?
(1) 2x2y = 1 (2) x/y > 1 Plug in approach that can be used without thinking much and very likely arrive at the correct answer. Values to be taken: x positive and negative and find the corresponding values for y based on the statements Note: x and y cannot be of different signs and also x cannot be zero as they will not satisfy (ii) (i) x=10, we have y =9.5 .Both positive satisfied And now x=10, we have y=9.5. Both negative also satisfied .Different results. So (i) alone not sufficient (ii) x=10, y can be positive. Both positive satisfied . And now x=10, y can be negative. Both negative also satisfied. So (ii) alone not sufficient (i) + (ii) x=10, y=9.5 satisfies both the statements . Both positive satisfied . And now x=10. Value of y is found from (i) and is negative , but we see it does not satisfy (ii). So both cannot be negative . So we can answer the question using (i) and (ii) together
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