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Why option 'D' is wrong... "apart from awkaward wordy construction"
1) "with less limitation on water access" acts as preposition phrases and i am quite confuse whether it modife Anasazi or Clans?
2) prepositional phrases without comma as in above modify noun closer to it i.e. clans or can modify farther noun such as Anasazi too?
3)if prepositional phrases with comma is used in above case it will modify "clans"

The main problem with option D is that "limitations" is a countable quantity and so it must be modified by "fewer". "Less" can be used for uncountable nouns only.
Additionally, option D changes the meaning slightly. Original sentence says that "clans whose access to water was less limited" -- this access is supposed to be associated with nature as decrease of rainfall is the cause of migration. Option D mentions "limitations on water access" which means restrictions (imposed by human beings) on water access.

1) It is "clan" with less limitation on water access.
2) The following link has a very good demonstration on when modifiers can modify slightly far away noun and when far away modification is not possible.
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Hi Doe,

last statement is a question...
I would like to know in general if we add commas to prepositional phrases will it modify the noun closer to it..?
or whether it can modify far away noun too..?
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Hi Doe,

last statement is a question...
I would like to know in general if we add commas to prepositional phrases will it modify the noun closer to it..?
or whether it can modify far away noun too..?

Cannot generalize as your statement states. Permissible distance between noun and modifier depends on the construction of the sentence. If you read the above-mentioned article from egmat, you will get much information there. The article shows different scenarios of the modifiers.

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Why option 'D' is wrong... "apart from awkaward wordy construction"

D is wrong because the meaning is like Anasazi jointed other clans with Anasazi's less limitation on water access" ==> Wrong intended meaning.
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As rainfall began to decrease in the Southwest about the middle of the twelfth century, most of the Monument Valley Anasazi abandoned their homes to join other clans whose access to water was less limited.

A. whose access to water was less limited
B. where there was access to water that was less limited
C. where they had less limited water access
D. with less limitations on water access
E. having less limitations to water access

OA: A

I wonder whether there is anything wrong in D "with"?
Does "with" correctly modify "clans"?



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As rainfall began to decrease in the Southwest about the middle of the twelfth century, most of the Monument Valley Anasazi abandoned their homes to join other clans whose access to water was less limited.

A. whose access to water was less limited
B. where there was access to water that was less limited
C. where they had less limited water access
D. with less limitations on water access
E. having less limitations to water access

OA: A

I wonder whether there is anything wrong in D "with"?
Does "with" correctly modify "clans"?

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IMO yes

WITH correctly modifies CLANS.

more to add:
limitations:===>this is a countable quantity(as per OG)...==>hence we need "fewer"

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As rainfall began to decrease in the Southwest about the middle of the twelfth century, most of the Monument Valley Anasazi abandoned their homes to join other clans whose access to water was less limited.

A. whose access to water was less limited
B. where there was access to water that was less limited
C. where they had less limited water access
D. with less limitations on water access
E. having less limitations to water access

OA: A

I wonder whether there is anything wrong in D "with"?
Does "with" correctly modify "clans"?

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IMO yes

WITH correctly modifies CLANS.

more to add:
limitations:===>this is a countable quantity(as per OG)...==>hence we need "fewer"

hope it helps




Thanks, but another question.

If there is a comma between "with" and “clans", does "with" still modify "clans" or the whole sentence preceded?

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The key here is to understand what is limited.

Water is not limited. But the access to water is limited.

Put another way - what has limitations?

Water has no limitations. But there are limitations to accessing water.

If you understand this, it's very easy to answer this question. Let's go choice by choice:

B: talks about 'access to water that was limited' - this doesn't make sense as it implies the presence of 'limited water'. Incorrect.

C: Again, this construction is very poor. Option C could be read as 'there was less 'limited water access' - implying that there is something such as 'limited water'. Incorrect.

D & E: talk about 'less limitations' - 'limitations' is a countable entity. So the use of 'less' is incorrect - 'fewer' would be appropriate.

This leaves us with the right answer choice A. :)

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As rainfall began to decrease in the Southwest about the middle of the twelfth century, most of the Monument Valley Anasazi abandoned their homes to join other clans whose access to water was less limited.
(A) whose access to water was less limited
(B) where there was access to water that was less limited
(C) where they had less limited water access
(D) with less limitations on water access
(E) having less limitations to water access

Option B) Awkward construction – Eliminated
Option C) I am confused with the usage of the “where”. Does it always need to denote a place?
I have eliminated Option C on the basis of “they”. I am not sure if “they” denote the clans or Monument Valley Anasazi.
Option E) having – sounds as if the clans possess the less limitations – doesn’t make sense.
Confused between A and D.
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Hi Kinjal,

Thanks for posting your doubt here. :-)

On GMAT, "where" is used to refer to place. But "clans" are not any place. They are group of people. Hence, we need "who" to refer to them. This is the reason why use of "where" is incorrect in Choices B and C.

You are also correct in your analysis of the pronoun "they" in Choice "C" as it is unclear whether it refers to "most of the...Anasazi" or "other clans".

Option D is incorrect because "limitations" is a countable noun. Use of "less" is incorrect. The correct word to be used for "limitations" is "fewer". This error eliminated Choice D and E.

Choice A is a clear winner in this one as it the most precise and clear answer choice.

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Wow thanks!

I'm struggling with the fact that the term limitations is countable.

EG.

There are more limitations on spending
There are many limitations on spending

my ear can't hear the correctness
also, is this different with limit and restriction?



There are several ways to identify whether a noun is countable or not -

First, you see a noun ending with "-s" as is here, limitations - thats straightforward indicator that it is countable.
Few other tests - 1 limitation, 2 limitations, - sounds ok, thus countable.
you can even try using many or much - to identify the difference.
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Hi Kinjal,

Thanks for posting your doubt here. :-)

On GMAT, "where" is used to refer to place. But "clans" are not any place. They are group of people. Hence, we need "who" to refer to them. This is the reason why use of "where" is incorrect in Choices B and C.

You are also correct in your analysis of the pronoun "they" in Choice "C" as it is unclear whether it refers to "most of the...Anasazi" or "other clans".

Option D is incorrect because "limitations" is a countable noun. Use of "less" is incorrect. The correct word to be used for "limitations" is "fewer". This error eliminated Choice D and E.

Choice A is a clear winner in this one as it the most precise and clear answer choice.

Hope this helps. :-)
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Thanks for the explanation.

Can you/ anyone - please explain

IF choice D was, D - with fewer limitations on water access.

Could that have been a correct answer - if A was not present. Because "limitations on" sounds correct to me. I guess I just want to know if the usage of "with" is correct?

When can we use "with"? Can we use it with nouns as well?

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Where in GMAT is used to modify Physical locations.
B and C are out.

less limited is 100% correct verb and adverb.

Less limitations is wrong as limitations are countable noun. Therefore fewer limitations should be correct.

Among A, D and E. D and E are also out.

We are left with the correct answer choice A.
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IF choice D was, D - with fewer limitations on water access.

Could that have been a correct answer - if A was not present. Because "limitations on" sounds correct to me. I guess I just want to know if the usage of "with" is correct?

When can we use "with"? Can we use it with nouns as well?

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From what I know, GMAT prefers the usage of pronouns such as who, whose, which, that (relative pronouns) over "less imprecise" modifiers such as "with".

So, even if D was "with fewer limitations", it would still not have made a great choice.

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As rainfall began to decrease in the Southwest about the middle of the twelfth century, most of the Monument Valley Anasazi abandoned their homes to join other clans whose access to water was less limited.

A. whose access to water was less limited
Correct

B. where there was access to water that was less limited
Usage of "where" is wrong here

C. where they had less limited water access
Same as B

D. with less limitations on water access
Fragmented sentence auxiliary verb is missing

E. having less limitations to water access
Usage of "having" is wrong


Hence A
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Not convinced with OG of E.
Less Limitation is wrong ?


limitation is non count noun
but
non count nount can become count noun when the meaning is specific.

this is purely grammatical point
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Not convinced with OG of E.
Less Limitation is wrong ?


limitation is non count noun
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As rainfall began to decrease in the Southwest about the middle of the twelfth century, most of the Monument Valley Anasazi abandoned their homes to join other clans whose access to water was less limited.

A. whose access to water was less limited
B. where there was access to water that was less limited
C. where they had less limited water access
D. with less limitations on water access
E. having less limitations to water access


Why E is wrong here ? I am confused between A and E
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1. clans is not a place; where is wrong; B and C are out.
2. limitations is countable. Less would not go with a countable noun. Fewer would be more appropriate. D and E are out.
A remains
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1. clans is not a place; where is wrong; B and C are out.
2. limitations is countable. Less would not go with a countable noun. Fewer would be more appropriate. D and E are out.
A remains


so, less limited is correct in this context ?
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