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As the former chair of the planning board for 18 consecutive years and a board member for 28 years, Joan Philkill attended more than 400 meetings and reviewed more than 700 rezoning applications.

(A) As the former
(B) The former
(C) Former
(D) She was
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Originally posted by neeshpal on 08 Sep 2008, 18:24.
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Hey All,

I got asked to take this one on by PM, so here I am! Yay!

As the former chair of the planning board for 18 consecutive years and a board member for 28 years, Joan Philkill attended more than 400 meetings and reviewed more than 700 rezoning applications.

A. As the former
PROBLEM: The "as" part is correct (See answer choice E), but you can't be a former chair for 18 years. Also, she didn't do these things AS the FORMER chair. She did them AS the chair, and NOW she is the former chair.

B. The former
PROBLEM: Technically, this could be called okay, because we have a really long noun modifier ("the former chair...") modifying another noun, "Joan Philkill." However, answer choice A simply makes more sense, considering the definition of "As" given above.

C. Former
PROBLEM: We need the article "the" here. We use it to refer to a person or thing that is unique. Obviously we're talking about a unique chair of the board here (Joan).

D. She was
PROBLEM: Now, we end up with two independent clauses separated by a comma. This isn't allowed.

E. As the
ANSWER: The preposition "as" can be used to to mean "during the time of being (the thing specified)." For example, I could say "As a child, I was often sick." In this sentence, we're told that "During the time of being the former chair...Joan attended more than 400 meetings..."

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IMO E.

As the former in A is incorrect as, when he attended the meeting he/she was the chair of the planning board.
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I did not pick up B because, I think if we use 'The former chair' , the sentence should be :

the former chair of the planning board..and a former board member
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IMO (E),
The logical meaning of the sentence talks about the past event. "chair of the planning board for 18 consecutive years and a board member for 28 years". "Former" here sounds redundant. What is OA?
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Unless I interpret it differently, "As the former chair of the planning board for 18 consecutive years and a board member for 28 years" is not a subordinate clause. It is a modifier clause for "Joan Philkill". Hence, "As" seems irrelevant".

Hence, I will go for "B". Also, if As is relevant, then the modifier should look like "As the former chair of the planning board for 18 consecutive years and as a board member for 28 years"
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I actually don't think former is redundant. Former is an adjective here.

Former means that the person is no longer an active chair member.

Without the former, (As the chair) - it gives the meaning that the person is still currently part of the board.

Where did this question come from? argh.

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IMO (E),
The logical meaning of the sentence talks about the past event. "chair of the planning board for 18 consecutive years and a board member for 28 years". "Former" here sounds redundant. What is OA?
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I actually don't think former is redundant. Former is an adjective here.

Former means that the person is no longer an active chair member.

Without the former, (As the chair) - it gives the meaning that the person is still currently part of the board.

Where did this question come from? argh.

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IMO (E),
The logical meaning of the sentence talks about the past event. "chair of the planning board for 18 consecutive years and a board member for 28 years". "Former" here sounds redundant. What is OA?


Very diff Q.

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Why would some one attend meetings as former chair ?

E is my answer
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I don't think it's saying that a former chair is currently attending meetings.

This is my interpretation:
When the former is used, the meaning of the sentence is exact:
- The action has taken in the past, and the member is no longer part of the board.

When the former is not used, it gives the 2 meanings, either that:
1. The action has taken in the past, and the member is no longer part of the board nor attends the meetings.
OR
2. the action has taken in the past, BUT can continue into the future, and member is still part of the board.

I don't agree that the intent of the sentence was to infer #2 above, therefore, that's why I thought former was necessary and not redundant.


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bigfernhead wrote:
I actually don't think former is redundant. Former is an adjective here.

Former means that the person is no longer an active chair member.

Without the former, (As the chair) - it gives the meaning that the person is still currently part of the board.

Where did this question come from? argh.

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IMO (E),
The logical meaning of the sentence talks about the past event. "chair of the planning board for 18 consecutive years and a board member for 28 years". "Former" here sounds redundant. What is OA?


Very diff Q.

@BFH,

Why would some one attend meetings as former chair ?

E is my answer
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Many of you are mentioning the meaning as a primary reason for one choice or another--try to avoid meaning issues until you have first eliminated choices with grammar problems.

Those of you advocating C, take a close look at the comma found later in the sentence. What is it's role? Try to label the words around that comma with their roles (e.g. subject, verb, modifier (type? of what?), etc.)
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esledge wrote:
Many of you are mentioning the meaning as a primary reason for one choice or another--try to avoid meaning issues until you have first eliminated choices with grammar problems.

Those of you advocating C, take a close look at the comma found later in the sentence. What is it's role? Try to label the words around that comma with their roles (e.g. subject, verb, modifier (type? of what?), etc.)


Are you trying to say that C would have been correct if the sentence were:
As the former chair of the planning board for 18 consecutive years and a board member for 28 years, Joan Philkill , attended more than 400 meetings and reviewed more than 700 rezoning applications.

That leaves us with D and i know i have heard such structures as
A eminent physicist and an orator,Mr X has gone to win the nooble prize in 1989.etc
Could this be such a case????
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Many of you are mentioning the meaning as a primary reason for one choice or another--try to avoid meaning issues until you have first eliminated choices with grammar problems.

Those of you advocating C, take a close look at the comma found later in the sentence. What is it's role? Try to label the words around that comma with their roles (e.g. subject, verb, modifier (type? of what?), etc.)


Are you trying to say that C would have been correct if the sentence were:
As the former chair of the planning board for 18 consecutive years and a board member for 28 years, Joan Philkill , attended more than 400 meetings and reviewed more than 700 rezoning applications.

That leaves us with D and i know i have heard such structures as
A eminent physicist and an orator,Mr X has gone to win the nooble prize in 1989.etc
Could this be such a case????

By adding that comma after the name Joan Philkill, you seem to have caught my meaning. Without that comma, "J.P. attended...meeting and reviewed...applications" is the main clause of the sentence. That implies that the stuff before the comma in the sentence as written must be a modifier. In turn, that implies that the correct choice uses "as," creating an adverbial modifier. (Jade3--nice catch on this!)

If we were free to add that comma after Joan Philkill, then the name/person would be a noun modifier, and the sentence outside of the commas would be the main clause. In that case, (B) comes close to correct grammar, though I still think the modifiers "for 18 consec years" and "for 28 years" are awkward.

(B)/(C) would require multiple edits to work: The former (move: planning board) chair (cut: for 18 consecutive years) and (cut: a) board member (cut: for 28 years), Joan Philkill, attended more than 400 meetings and reviewed more than 700 rezoning applications.

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That leaves us with D and i know i have heard such structures as
A eminent physicist and an orator,Mr X has gone to win the nooble prize in 1989.etc
Could this be such a case????

(D) is not exactly like this example, because (D) begins "She was" = Subject Verb, which is not a modifying phrase, but rather an independent clause. "An eminent physicist and an orator" is a noun modifier.
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While Joan P. was the former head, the way the sentence reads makes it sound like she was the former head for 18 years. During this time she served as the head of the committee not the former head. Therefore, you can get rid of A, B, and C. D represents a comma splice so (E) it is.
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First look: modifier, grammatical construction -- How should the former chair be modified?

A. As the former Wrong - incorrect "former" because Joan was the chair for 18 years, not the former chair for 18 years.
B. The former Wrong - Opening modifier changed from clause to appositive phrase, though "former" is incorrect for the same reasoning above.
C. Former Wrong - same as above.
D. She was Wrong - She was..., Joan Philkill is a comma splice; one cannot join two sentences with merely a comma.
E. As the Best choice

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As is used to compare clauses
When the person worked for 18 consecutive years.. How he/she can work as a former
So Eliminate ABC
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As the former chair of the planning board for 18 consecutive years and a board member for 28 years, Joan Philkill attended more than 400 meetings and reviewed more than 700 rezoning applications.

A. As the former
B. The former
C. Former
D. She was
E. As the


Imo E
A changes the meaning
B Chair can nor be attending meeting :-D
C same as B
D There is no conjunction comma splice.
E correct as the chair
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As the former chair of the planning board for 18 consecutive years and a board member for 28 years, Joan Philkill attended more than 400 meetings and reviewed more than 700 rezoning applications.

(A) As the former
(B) The former
(C) Former
(D) She was
(E) As the

In this question, it is important to understand the original meaning of the sentence and stick with it. So, even if you come across an answer choice that is grammatically correct, it will be wrong if the intended meaning is not as per the original meaning of the sentence.

A is wrong because JP did not attend meetings as the former chair. She was very much active when she attended those meetings. B & C are incorrect because the intended meaning of the sentence is lost. The original sentence intends to convey that As a role, she attended meetings.

Eg:
As a mother, Jean takes care of her kids.
A mother, Jean takes care of her kids.

Hence, E is the answer.

Understand the difference between the two?

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But wouldn't C serve to work as an adjective? Former chairman and member of board, Joan attended XXX. if it were E, then wouldn't we need an "as" before "board member?" As chairman and "as" board member
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A. As the former
PROBLEM: The "as" part is correct (See answer choice E), but you can't be a former chair for 18 years. Also, she didn't do these things AS the FORMER chair. She did them AS the chair, and NOW she is the former chair.

E. As the
ANSWER: The preposition "as" can be used to to mean "during the time of being (the thing specified)." For example, I could say "As a child, I was often sick." In this sentence, we're told that "During the time of being the former chair...Joan attended more than 400 meetings..."

I think this is the best explanation. An easy way to see the illogical nature of A is to truncate the extra parts of the sentence:

As the former X and a Y, JP did Z in the past

vs.

As the X and a Y, JP did Z in the past


I think it's confusing because something like this is actually correct:

In her former roles as the chair of the planning board for 18 consecutive years and a board member or 28 years, Joan Philkill attended more than 400 meetings and reviewed more than 700 rezoning applications.

Now "former" is part of a adverbial prep phrase at the start is modifying the action "attended"


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