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As virtually all the nation's 50 busiest airports are, New York's were built for an age of propellers, before jet planes weighing 800,000 pounds needed over two miles of runway.

(A) As virtually all the nation's 50 busiest airports are
(B) As with virtually all of the nation's 50 busiest airports
(C) Like virtually all of the nation's 50 busiest airports
(D) Like the cities where virtually all the nation's 50 busiest airports are
(E) Like other cities where virtually all the nation's 50 busiest airports are

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As virtually all the nation's 50 busiest airports are, New York's were built for an age of propellers, before jet planes weighing 800,000 pounds needed over two miles of runway.

(A) As virtually all the nation's 50 busiest airports are
(B) As with virtually all of the nation's 50 busiest airports
(C) Like virtually all of the nation's 50 busiest airports
(D) Like the cities where virtually all the nation's 50 busiest airports are
(E) Like other cities where virtually all the nation's 50 busiest airports are


Here the split is between like vs as. Both are used for comparison

As is used to compare clauses. As cannot be followed by phrase..
Like is used to compare noun or noun phrase. Like cannot be followed by clause.

On that basis , B is out, D is out E is out

So between A and C

Option A means As with all of the nation's busiest airports are(Still) , New york airports were built for an age of propellers
Option C says, Like virtually all of the nation's busiest airports, New york airports...Here the meaning is New York airports is like all of nation's busiest airports..some how the meaning is not conveyed completely.

A is the best option
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"(A) As virtually all the nation's 50 busiest airports are"- This compares two clauses - the way nation's 50 airports were built with the WAY the NY airport is built.
"(C) Like virtually all of the nation's 50 busiest airports"- this compares the other airports to the way NY airports is built.
Changes in meaning,. Hence A is correct
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Can somebody explain this in detail and also when to use like and when to use as?
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Can somebody explain this in detail and also when to use like and when to use as?


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- As followed by a clause - Comparison
- As followed by a group of words - Function / Role Play
- Like followed by noun/pronoun - Comparison.

B - No Comparison

D & E - Wrong comparison

Between A & C - In C - Like X,Y = Wrong comparison between X & Y

X= All 50 busiest airports (noun)

Y = New York airports were built... (clause)

Hence, A is correct comparison.

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As virtually all the nation's 50 busiest airports are, New York's were built for an age of propellers, before jet planes weighing 800,000 pounds needed over two miles of runway.

You need clause after as if it is a case of comparison so B ruled out
(A) As virtually all the nation's 50 busiest airports are
(B) As with virtually all of the nation's 50 busiest airports :
You need clause after as if it is a case of comparison so B ruled out

(C) Like virtually all of the nation's 50 busiest airports

(D) Like the cities where virtually all the nation's 50 busiest airports are : with Like you need noun, not clause. Also we are not comparing cities.

(E) Like other cities where virtually all the nation's 50 busiest airports are: same as D

In some forum, OA is given as c. I thought we are comparing situation of past and present. C distort the meaning.

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Can someone please clarify which (C) is wrong? To me, both (A) and (C) look perfectly correct - grammatically and meaning wise.
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Can someone please clarify which (C) is wrong? To me, both (A) and (C) look perfectly correct - grammatically and meaning wise.


There is a difference in the meaning of A and C.

In A, we are comparing the way two airports are built.

But in C, we are comparing the two airports.

So, We need to make sure meaning of the original sentence is maintained. That's why C is incorrect and A is correct.
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Can someone please clarify which (C) is wrong? To me, both (A) and (C) look perfectly correct - grammatically and meaning wise.


There is a difference in the meaning of A and C.

In A, we are comparing the way two airports are built.

But in C, we are comparing the two airports.

So, We need to make sure meaning of the original sentence is maintained. That's why C is incorrect and A is correct.

don't know how correct I am but the original sentences given in the questions don't always have the intended meaning
So how can we say the author meant to compare the way the airports are built and not meant to compare the airports themselves?
Both sentences are logical and grammatically correct
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Can someone please clarify which (C) is wrong? To me, both (A) and (C) look perfectly correct - grammatically and meaning wise.


There is a difference in the meaning of A and C.

In A, we are comparing the way two airports are built.

But in C, we are comparing the two airports.

So, We need to make sure meaning of the original sentence is maintained. That's why C is incorrect and A is correct.

don't know how correct I am but the original sentences given in the questions don't always have the intended meaning
So how can we say the author meant to compare the way the airports are built and not meant to compare the airports themselves?
Both sentences are logical and grammatically correct


Yes, you are absolutely right. But, when there are two grammatically correct sentences choose the one that maintains the original meaning. In this case though, the meanings of A and C are NOT different - these two sentences are equivalent. Such questions are not expected in GMAT.
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abhimahna wrote:

There is a difference in the meaning of A and C.

In A, we are comparing the way two airports are built.

But in C, we are comparing the two airports.

So, We need to make sure meaning of the original sentence is maintained. That's why C is incorrect and A is correct.

don't know how correct I am but the original sentences given in the questions don't always have the intended meaning
So how can we say the author meant to compare the way the airports are built and not meant to compare the airports themselves?
Both sentences are logical and grammatically correct


Yes, you are absolutely right. But, when there are two grammatically correct sentences choose the one that maintains the original meaning. In this case though, the meanings of A and C are NOT different - these two sentences are equivalent. Such questions are not expected in GMAT.


You spoke my mind here. The meaning discrepancy pointed out above does not exist. Both mean the same as the "Like X" modifier acts as an adverb to the act of New York's airport "being built".

That said, I have mixed feelings about the verb tense in option A. I know this is probably just a badly made question, but is the tense usage in option A valid?

As all airports are, NY's airports were built for...

Instinct tells me this is not a valid construction in GMAT-ese. However, logically I can't find any flaws in the meaning. Worst case I can say parallelism is being violated as one clause uses past perfect and the other clause uses present perfect. Is this good enough to disqualify option A?

sayantanc2k Would be good to know your thoughts
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Worst case I can say parallelism is being violated as one clause uses past perfect and the other clause uses present perfect. Is this good enough to disqualify option A?

Hi sanghar, difference in tenses does not amount to parallelism violation. Different parts of the sentence can be in different tenses.

As an aside, the original sentence does not use any perfect tense. First portion uses simple present, while second portion uses simple past.

Having said that, the difference in tenses is an issue in this case, because the context is the same for both parts of the sentence.

C is preferable because it uses like in the most classical manner (Like X, Y...).
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Worst case I can say parallelism is being violated as one clause uses past perfect and the other clause uses present perfect. Is this good enough to disqualify option A?

Hi sanghar, difference in tenses does not amount to parallelism violation. Different parts of the sentence can be in different tenses.

As an aside, the original sentence does not use any perfect tense. First portion uses simple present, while second portion uses simple past.

Having said that, the difference in tenses is an issue in this case, because the context is the same for both parts of the sentence.

C is preferable because it uses like in the most classical manner (Like X, Y...).


I did mean that tenses are incompatible because the context is same. I understand that tenses can definitely be different if required within the sentence.

I would contest the idea that the tense in the first clause is simple present - because without the omitted word "built" after "are", the link is illogical - As other airports are, NY's airports were built... -> This construction somehow implies that the manner in which other airports exist is similar to the manner in which NY's airports were built.
So it is only logical to say - As other airports are built, NY's airports were built...

This makes the 1st clause present perfect and the 2nd past perfect. Also, I would think that this does violate parallelism within the construction "As X, Y".
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So it is only logical to say - As other airports are built, NY's airports were built...

Hi sanghar, this would not be logical. The sentence is talking about something in the past (before jet planes weighing 800,000 pounds needed over two miles of runway). Hence, are built would not be the correct tense. We need to use past tense here.

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This makes the 1st clause present perfect and the 2nd past perfect.

No. This is simple present and simple past construct (1st clause and 2nd clause respectively).

By the way, built is past participle (and not past perfect) and so, am wondering whether that might be the reason for confusion.

Actually ( believe it or not) participles don't have a tense at all! They just derive their tense from the main verb of the sentence.

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As virtually all the nation's 50 busiest airports are, New York's were built for an age of propellers, before jet planes weighing 800,000 pounds needed over two miles of runway.

(A) As virtually all the nation's 50 busiest airports are

(B) As with virtually all of the nation's 50 busiest airports

(C) Like virtually all of the nation's 50 busiest airports

(D) Like the cities where virtually all the nation's 50 busiest airports are

(E) Like other cities where virtually all the nation's 50 busiest airports are
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The point to decide here is whether 'are' or 'were' is an action verb or a status verb. Since 'are' is a status verb, you need to compare the subjects themselves because an intended action by both the airports is not there. Therefore, C with the usage of like to compare the two items is the more pertinent one.


It is not clear what the topic wants to convey. There remains a lurking doubt whether the passage intends to criticize that all the US airports including those in New York are outdated. In that case, there is no need to mention New York at all.

Also, it is ambiguous whether New York refers to New York City or New York State.
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143. As virtually all the nation’s 50 busiest airports are, New York’s were built for an age of propellers, before jet planes weighing 800,000 pounds needed over two miles of runway.

(A) As virtually all the nation’s 50 busiest airports are
(B) As with virtually all of the nation’s 50 busiest airports
(C) Like virtually all of the nation’s 50 busiest airports
(D) Like the cities where virtually all the nation’s 50 busiest airports are
(E) Like other cities where virtually all the nation’s 50 busiest airports are


Can please someone explain.
Is not here obvious to choose A over C.
Because "Like" is used with nouns. And "As" is used with "nouns+verbs", so
here "airoports are" and "airports were", so we choose A.
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Hi abhimahna and daagh sir,
I got two doubts here:
In A:
1. why are we using present tense "ARE" in A to represent a past action of "built" is it because we are stating a fact? If so why 2nd clause is having a past tense verb, it also represents a fact.

In C:
what are we comparing:
Nation's 50 busiest airports with NY's 50 busiest airports ? If so : Nation's 50 busiest airports don't contain NY's 50 busiest airports?
If it do contain: then comparing same airports is wrong either how they were built or comparing the airports themselves.
Like Nation's other 50 busiest airports, NY's....
It sounds fair this way ?

Please clarify me.

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Sorry daagh Sir,
I will copy the context from now on whenever i get any doubt.

As virtually all the nation’s 50 busiest airports are, New York’s were built for an age of propellers, before jet planes weighing 800,000 pounds needed over two miles of runway.

(A) As virtually all the nation’s 50 busiest airports are
(B) As with virtually all of the nation’s 50 busiest airports
(C) Like virtually all of the nation’s 50 busiest airports
(D) Like the cities where virtually all the nation’s 50 busiest airports are
(E) Like other cities where virtually all the nation’s 50 busiest airports are

I got two doubts here:
In A:
1. why are we using present tense "ARE" in A to represent a past action of "built" is it because we are stating a fact? If so why 2nd clause is having a past tense verb, it also represents a fact.

In C:
what are we comparing:
Nation's 50 busiest airports with NY's 50 busiest airports ? If so : Nation's 50 busiest airports don't contain NY's 50 busiest airports?
If it do contain: then comparing same airports is wrong either how they were built or comparing the airports themselves.
Like Nation's other 50 busiest airports, NY's....
It sounds fair this way ?

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