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Hi,
First thing first, Thanks for this wonderful thread!

I need help in understanding my chances at Top 10 B-Schools (Sept 2015 entry). Below are details of my profile:

Academics
B.Tech 2005 (Electrical Eng) : 71 % (Gold Medalist)
M.tech 2008 (IIT Delhi, India) : 8.44 (GATE exam All India Rank 46 out of ~30,000 candidates)
GMAT : Planned, July 2014; based on GMAT PREP +ve about 720

Work Ex
• Years: 7 years (As on Sept 2014), Research and Development, Tata Motors Ltd., India
• Designation: Manager (Development)
• Profile: Working on product development area, mainly on the new generation of Hybrid and Electric Vehicle development
• Achievement: Few publications in the conference/magazine which are very well acknowledged in the respective field (E.g. SAE, IEEE, ATZ etc). I am a Talent Pool employee in the present company (~15 out of 40,000 employee every year get into talent pool) and got to attend Executive Management Training program at one of the premium Indian B School (That’s where started realizing importance of doing MBA to complete my skill + knowledge set for future endeavor and in the career progress)

Extra Curricular
• I worked as a full time "SBI Youth For India” fellow (2011-2012) in the rural development space. It’s a 1 year fellowship, with a focus on rural development. I took a sabbatical from my present employer and worked on livelihood project. 28 fellows were selected from all across India. I could publish one paper on the work done under this fellowship in STRATEGIC MANAGEMENT FORUM of IIM Kozhikode (Under Top 8 B school from India); titled “Rural Local Retail: An innovative, self sustainable Social Business Model in Vegetable Business”
• Completed Paragliding pre-pilot level
• Completed French Level 1 certification

Certification
No international level certification; however Level 2 patent specialist Under TATA GROUP IP Management Program.

Target Program
Harvard……………………………… Stanford, MIT, LBS, INSEAD; As my school research is not extensive I would also like to know which are other schools where my profile and career goal would match

When you plan to apply
R1 Oct 2014

Your post-MBA goal
My long term goal is to start up a company in the area of Product Development ( To give a perspective, product development company like 3M)
With my work experience and Technical Education background I have developed the knowledge set required for such a venture however I am looking at following aspect to be covered by attending B-School:
1. Present and past student Network and prospective business partner
2. School name and the creditability with that to start new venture
3. Skill set to manage the business and required exposure
4. Peer Learning and divers thinking

If this doesn’t happen in immediate future (Post MBA) then I would like to join a Management Consultancy firm or a corporate position in Strategy and Planning vertical; which in long term would help me in setting up my firm.

I would like to understand how fair are my chances in Ivy-8 or above mentioned schools?
And which other schools you find would suitable for my profile?

I guess that’s all !!!

I sincerely thanks for all your time and efforts and waiting for your reply. (Moderator + Consultant)

HarryIITD

Background
• Rich experience in Design, Innovation and Competitive Product Development.
• Due to keen interest in Design in general and Transportation Design in particular, pursued Engineering education to earn Masters in Design (Product Design &Engg.) from I.I.Sc. Bangalore (Indian Institute of Science) and also pursued professional career in Vehicle Design with two Top Automotive Companies in the World and India respectively.
• Experience evolved working through corporate design gates/processes & interaction with various stakeholders and vendors; close participation through cross functional teams in business processes like product definition, product planning, market positioning & innovation activities.
• In-depth understanding of design tools & methodologies; System/Process Design & IPR landscaping.
• Undertook initiatives in multidisciplinary/multicultural environments & in navigating uncertainty/handling ambiguity, championing customer focus & multidimensional problem solving with full confidence.
• Worked as a design lead and design jury member on various professional assignments.
• Wish to integrate formal knowledge in design with a penchant for enterprise creation to start an organization devoted to creating next generation mobility solutions. An MBA education in this regard would go a long way in helping me realize this objective.

Academics
• BE (Mechanical Engineering) 2003: 70%
• Masters in Design (IISc, Bangalore) 2008: 6.9/8.0 (10 students accepted into the prestigious design program every year from a pool of 10,000+ applicants)
• GMAT: 730

Professional Experience
• Years: 6 years (as on August 2014) in the Design Studio and R&D Centre and prior 2 years (2004-2006) at General Motors.
• Designation: Manager (ADVANCED DESIGN)
• Profile: Responsible for Exterior Design of Next-Generation Passenger Vehicles. Several projects are in production and have been displayed in International Auto Shows.

Achievements
• Responsible for exterior design of next gen vehicles (3); responsible for design of concept vehicles (2) showcasing the future vision of the company.
• Lead the future vision activities of the department through the design function.
• Exposed to vision/pre-concept research/positioning/branding/conceptual development/production design/systems development/integration and marketing aspects of full scale product (vehicle) development.
• I have completed one full ‘level 6’ (new platform) production vehicle program with exterior and interior design.
• Lead team in simulated enterprise creation & management workshops with spectacular results.
• I also mentor junior members of the team.

Extra-Curricular
• One of the top 50 innovators selected in India Innovation Growth Program in 2014 (Partners: Department of Science and Technology Govt of India; Lockheed Martin Corporation USA; Stanford Business School; University of Austin Texas)
• I am also an active member of the design team working on CSR activities of my organization in rural school development and modernization.
• Design Jury for one of the most prestigious design competitions in India for the year 2013.

Certification:
Several relevant to Product Development and Business Development through Design, several in core competencies and allied fields.
For example:
Interpretation by Design (BMW Germany); Customer Centric Workshop by RoadsAhead Consulting India; Trend & Design by Style-Vision Asia (France); Design Thinking Action Lab (Stanfordx); Innovation & Commercialization (MITx); several core design domain courses from MITx including the X-Series Certification in Air Vehicle Design; Courses from Harvardx; etc..

Target Program:
Harvard or any one of the top 5 B Schools in the world

Planned Entry
R1 October 2014

Post MBA Goal
Vision is to start a mobility solutions company.


I wish to understand my chances to be accepted in an HBS type of program (Ivy League) and look forward to your most realistic assessment of my profile.
Sincere thanks in advance for your time and effort! And many thanks for offering such a platform for aspirants like us!
Warm Regards
JSW

@BmoreNerd,

You're very welcome! I'm glad you found the feedback helpful. Thanks for providing the additional info - it's great to get a little more context and insight into what you're up to.

So to point #2 - it's great that you're involved and even better that you're getting other people involved with you. As you look over the next couple of years, think about how to grow that impact. Impact doesn't mean more time. Maybe you could partner with one of those organizations to help them operate more efficiently or effectively. Maybe you could serve as junior board member or spearhead some initiative for them. You're starting from a great base - 5 - 10 hours a month is a solid start. Now think about how to take that to the next level. While showing up makes a difference, think about how you can make an impact.

As for point #3 - your relative performance to your peerset is key. You used a little corporate jargon in your response (that's ok, I do it too ) but what I honed in on was your performance as a manager. That's what you're going for and it goes back to my comment around best v. different. Seems you're on the right track!

Good luck and if you have any questions, don't hesitate to reach out!

Bhavik

@HarryIITD,

Thanks - I'm really glad you find our posts on this forum helpful! Also, I really appreciate all the detail you provided! Ok, so let's get into things...

Academics: You tick off a lot of the main boxes here. Difficult major (+ advanced degree), strong performance, and great school. However, you haven't taken the GMAT yet. I know you're expecting a ~720 but until you have that score in hand, this is all hypothetical. I only say that because we run into this a lot. Please don't take that to mean I don't think you'll GET a 720 . But I just wanted to stress that it counts when you have it in hand. The GMAT plays a really big role in the admissions process - as I am sure you know. But if you get a solid score, then your academics are in good shape!

Professional Experiences: There are some things about your professional profile I really like. You have resource management experience. You're in an industry and role that are relatively uncommon. Specifically, you aren't in IT consulting. You've also been externally recognized as a top performer. Things like that are a great proxy for quality of experiences and potential recommenders you could count on. I also like how you're a thought leader. It balances you out. You're a thinker AND a doer. And when you do, you do well. I like it!

Involvement: I really like the fellowship. It actually carries a disproportionate *oomf* in terms of impact due to the sabbatical. Those are difficult for a variety of reasons and it really speaks to your passion and commitment. Also, it seems you had a strong impact so that's just the icing on the cake. Your paragliding and French components are interesting facts but wouldn't necessarily count as involvement. They're more fun facts but they round you out as a person and your interests are a little bit different than most Indian applicants. However, that all said, what ELSE have you done? So you've been working for 7 years and 1 of those was this fellowship. That's great but what about the other 6 years? I don't mean that you're light here and you were probably involved in things but what you don't want is nothing, nothing, FELLOWSHIP, nothing when it comes to your resume timeline. So what else have you been up to?

Goals: Your goals need a little work. I like the concept behind a product development firm start up. What I understood of it was that you would help other companies navigate the product development process? If I misunderstood that, let me know. That said, your "why MBA" also makes sense. Those are all good things to have as an entrepreneur. However, there are obvious concerns with that. As an international student, starting the company will have a few additional hurdles. Also, you don't have any entrepreneurial experience which will cause a few eyebrows to rise. However, there are ways to address the concerns and I think we can create a story that makes sense. What falls apart, however, is the management consulting plan B. General management consulting is going to explicitly enable you to start your own company. You have the possibility for an interesting story, but it needs a little work.

The top 8 are going to be stretches. That doesn't mean they're all unrealistic stretches but here's where I think you stand (assuming you get a 720):

H/S/W: These are real stretches. They're stretches for everyone. You're also a little on the older side for them. If you want, apply to 1, max.
Top 8: These are more realistic stretches but still stretches. Look at MIT, Kellogg's MMM program, and Haas
Top 16: These are more aligned with your profile. Look at Ross, UCLA, McCombs
Top 25: These are going to be more in the safety range. Look at Tepper, Kelley

I think this list should give you a pretty solid group of programs to consider. Good luck on the GMAT!!

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Bhavik

Wow... that was pretty quick and quite elaborative!

I really appreciate your reply; it definitely cleared some (Much more!) air. I found your evaluation quite realistic.

Before I type anything further I should comment on "2 posters in a row in auto from India - what are the odds?".... indeed your guess is correct; we are study buddies !!!

Now back to my profile evaluation, I completely agree with your comment on GMAT; so its better for me to first get the score and then talk further. My plan is to finish it by July 2014 End.

However I believe I would get some more clarity regarding my chances in light of following points:

1. By setting up a firm I did not mean to help other companies navigate the product development process but to develop products
2. Regarding "nothing, nothing, FELLOWSHIP, nothing", I have been working on community service since my PG days and still continuing through Company CSR and the NGO with which I worked during sabbatical however do not have any certificate for those activities and felt that mention of fellowship should be good enough; hence did not report it
3. If I am a first generation Graduate and I hail from Government notified Tribal area ( Government Of India )
4. Can the previous point justify the Age factor?


Thanks again for your time.
HarryIITD

Hello Bhavik,

Thank you for the prompt response and an insightful commentary on my overall profile! I liked it, found it interesting and quite realistic. However I believe in my enthusiasm to start this journey I may have misquoted or ambiguously stated a few things. I wonder whether clarity on such matters would help me in getting a more precise response from your end and I was also surprised by two of the points you have raised, so it'd be great if you can throw some light on those!

a) Goals: I mentioned mobility solutions in the traditional connotation of transportation solutions/ transportation products. Not perhaps mobility "as in handheld/ wearable mobile devices" solutions. As my entire experience is in the design and building of such vehicles and more!, so I felt I may not have come across lucid enough for this to be obvious and elicited a response, that my experience may not be related to mobility and rapid development, from your end.

In fact my participation in the IIGP program is about me having designed and developed an alternative hybrid-electric transportation innovation on my own for commercialization in the Indian market. This in fact is one of my first bigger steps towards Entrepreneurship (I have been doing things in this space since some time and in some diverse sectors but we can discuss that later).

b) Academics: The specific elements that came as a surprise were that you indicated that a Masters from IISc might be looked upon as sub-par when compared to one from an IIT; in fact it is quite the contrary! And as for the omission regarding my BE in concerned, it was a random omission. I have completed it from DSCE Bangalore under VTU. What I did with that education and how I set myself apart I guess is a topic of detailed debriefing with you.

Also were you referring to the GMAT score when you mentioned academics being above average but not exceptional? As far as GMAT is concerned, I can push it. GPA for my core Masters Program stands at 7.4/8.0 it is however all the other Management and Aerospace related subjects (beyond the requirement of the Masters program) that I credited that it averaged out to 6.9/8.0

c) Focus: Basically whether it'd be Bachelors/Masters or any other such adventure, I have always been able to demonstrate putting it to good use after and with the highest professional standards and with recognition in terms of awards or proxies. However all this is aligned towards transportation (mobility: not only cars) solutions and that is what I wish to do so on my own in the future. Hence a globally recognized Master program in BA.

Eagerly looking forward to your response on the above! And once again many thanks for your valuable time and effort!

Warm Regards,

JSW

@HarryIITD,

You're quite welcome! The fact that you're both friends explains a lot

If you haven't set the GMAT date yet, I'd suggest you pull it up 4 - 6 weeks. The end of July doesn't give you a lot of time to react and retake if you need to before R1 is on top of us. Shoot for the 1st half of June. That way, if you have to take it a second time, you have a month to prepare and still get it out of the way by July 31st.

1) If that's what you meant (and sorry for the misunderstanding) that's pretty vague. What kind of products? Where in the value chain? What industry? Still auto? If so, that's a very difficult value chain to break into. Regardless, that's something that would be fleshed out in a story frameworking process.

2) Right, that's what I expected - that you did a lot of stuff but just didn't bother mentioning it. You don't need certificates or proof. Adcoms don't assume you're lying. That's great though - all I wanted to make sure was that you were involved before and after your fellowship. The fellowship is clearly the cornerstone of your community involvement!

3) That's definitely useful information but how you factor that in will be important. It has to make sense to introduce struggle. By that I mean it has to have actually impacted you.

4) Perhaps? I mean - did point #3 keep you out of college for a couple of years? Did it delay you in some meaningful way? The explanation, however, can only go so far. Age is an absolute thing. You're either X years old or you aren't, right? So I'm not saying it can't be used but it would have to make sense.

Bhavik

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Hi,

I am an Indian Female with 8 years experience in Manufacturing Industry in Procurement Domain.
Though I have good academic background (BE in Electrical Engg), I didn't got a very good score in GMAT. I managed to score 550 in GMAT. I am planning to apply European B School this year with score. I have already discussed with one school. They seemed to be positive about my profile. Could you please help that which schools should I apply?

Regards
Suman

Hi Suman,

Thanks for your post! What you wrote raises a few questions on this end. Can you tell me a little more about yourself? What do you DO for work (not just your title)? How did you do in undergrad? Are you involved outside of work? What would you like to do with your MBA? Are you looking at full 2 year programs? Are there any criteria or restrictions from your end?

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Look forward to hearing from you!

Bhavik

Hi Bhavik,

Thanks for the reply. To start, I am an Indian Female. I have done my Bachelors in Engineering in 2006. I have also done Executive MBA from IIM Calcutta. This is one year certification program.

Post BE, I started working with Vedanta. Companies I worked in Vedanta, Jindal, Mjunction and currently working with Bechtel. I have diversified profile in Purchasing Domain such as I worked in Project Procurement, Supplier Relationship, Third party logistics, Indian Vendor management. I used to forecast strategy regarding when to buy Ferro alloys and published articles in previous org. In the current company, I have published few articles within the department, articles such as India Sourcing for various commodities such as Electrical, Material Handling etc.

Again, apart from the job, I was associated with CSR work in my prev job. Currently I am associated with Goonj and help as required.

I would like to go for one year European programme. I want to change my career to consulting.

I hope I am able to answer you now. Please give the path forward.

Regards
Suman

Hi Suman,

Thanks for the additional info! I like how you have experience across various companies and industries within the procurement space. That gives you a nice, well rounded perspective. It's also good that you're involved in CSR activities. Here's the problem - moving into consulting isn't easy. And if you want to work at even a remotely reputable firm, they recruit at well known schools. It's a pedigree game, above all else. Also, you'll be hard pressed to make that switch in a 1 year program given you won't have an internship to try to get your foot in the door. Not impossible, but much harder.

So all that said, your GMAT is really low (and I think you probably know that) but it seems you've only taken it once? Have you considered retaking it? I know a school (undisclosed) told you they were ok with it but...it's really low. If you want to get into a school that's good enough for you to make the switch into consulting, you need a significantly higher score. I'm sorry, I know that wasn't the response you were hoping for.

Thoughts?

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