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Assuming that the people's party have the results in their favor, the campaign team indulged in celebrations too early, only to soon realize that its venomous campaign had cost it dearly.

a). Assuming that the people's party have the results in their favor, the campaign team indulged in celebrations too early, only to soon realize that its venomous campaign had cost it dearly.

b). Assuming that the people's party has the results in their favor, the campaign team indulged in celebrations too early, only to soon realize that its venomous campaign had cost it dearly.

c). Assuming that the people's party had the results in its favor, the campaign team indulged in celebrations too early, only to soon realize that its venomous campaign had cost it dearly.

d). Assuming that the people's party have the results in its favor, the campaign team indulged in celebrations too early, only to soon realize that its venomous campaign had cost it dearly.

e). Assuming that the people's party has the results in its favor, the campaign team indulged in celebrations too early, only to soon realize that its venomous campaign had cost it dearly.

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Hello dear Gmat Experts, I'd like your opinion regarding this question, because the OA provided by the poster in my humble opinion, misses the timing. Thanks in advance.

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The event "have the results in its favour" did not occur at a particular point in past. In fact the event never took place - it was a hypothetical event assumed by the campaign team. Hence subjunctive "have" is alright, but simple past "had" is wrong. (Note that "have" is NOT used as simple present, but as subjunctive - "would have" instead of "have" would also be alright, because then the tense "would have" would depict a point in future WITH RESPECT TO the past event "indulge".)

Correct. Assuming that I win, I celebrated. (subjunctive)
Correct. Assuming that I would win, I celebrated. (future with respect to a point in past)
Wrong. Assuming that I won, I celebrated. (This is wrong, if the results were not declared.)
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A. Assuming that the People’s Party have the results in their favour, the campaigning team indulged in celebrations too early, only to soon realize that its venomous election campaign had cost it dearly.

B. Assuming that the People’s Party has the results in their favour, the campaigning team indulged in celebrations too early, only to soon realize that its venomous election campaign had cost it dearly.

C. Assuming that the People’s Party had the results in its favour, the campaigning team indulged in celebrations too early, only to soon realize that its venomous election campaign had cost it dearly.

D. Assuming that the People’s Party have the results in its favour, the campaigning team indulged in celebrations too early, only to soon realize that its venomous election campaign had cost it dearly. --> Correct, both 'has' and 'had' are wrong when the context is hypothetical, use of 'have' is subjunctive

E. Assuming that the People’s Party has the results in its favour, the campaigning team indulged in celebrations too early, only to soon realize that its venomous election campaign had cost it dearly.

Hence, D.
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Hello dear Gmat Experts, I'd like your opinion regarding this question, because the OA provided by the poster in my humble opinion, misses the timing. Thanks in advance.

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I have a small doubt here....Assumption is always taken from the past.....So is the usage of present tense valid here?
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I have a small doubt here....Assumption is always taken from the past.....So is the usage of present tense valid here?


Assumption can be about an event in past, present or future. All the following examples are correct:

You may assume that Arvind ate the cake.
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Hi sayantanc2k

Could you please explain what is wrong with option E here? Why is the usage of the word "has" wrong?

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Could you please explain what is wrong with option E here? Why is the usage of the word "has" wrong?

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Simple present is used for events that happen in general. Example: I go to work everyday.

In option E, simple present "has" is wrong, because "having the result in favour" is not something that happens in general. The event is either a desire (subjunctive "have") or an event in future from the perspective of past (conditional "would have").
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Use of past perfect tense "had the results" is correct which happened before the event "indulged in celebrations". Use of past perfect tense "had cost it dearly" is correct which happened before the event "realize".

Is "have" correct in the option "D" ? Please provide your insights. Thank you
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Use of past perfect tense "had the results" is correct which happened before the event "indulged in celebrations"

"had the results" is not correct because its an assumption in the past, and not something that happened in the past, with a resulting sequence of event i.e, as per your consideration "indulged in celebrations". 'Have' here has been used as subjunctive for its a hypothetical situation in the past.

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Use of past perfect tense "had cost it dearly" is correct which happened before the event "realize".

That's correct.

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The first point of note is that the people's party is singular and therefore 'have' and their' are grammatically incorrect. Only 'has' ' is the correct verb.

Second, 'have' or 'has' is present tense singular; depending upon the person or it can be a present plural. (Called v1 verbs) 'Had' is the simple past tense (called d V2 verb) on their own, they are never present perfect or past perfect (called V3 verbs)

In a perfect tense verb, the 'have' or 'has' or 'had' acts as an auxiliary verb and has to be necessarily accompanied by another main verb - examples: has gone, have gone or had gone.
Third, in a sentence, a pronoun, however many times, should always refer to the same identity.


A. Assuming that the People’s Party have the results in their favor, the campaigning team indulged in celebrations too early, only to soon realize that its venomous election campaign had cost it dearly. ---1. Have and 'it' pronoun error. 2. We can't say the present tense 'have' and at the same time 'indulged' in past tense.

B. Assuming that the People’s Party has the results in their favor, the campaigning team indulged in celebrations too early, only to soon realize that its venomous election campaign had cost it dearly. --- 'has and their is a mismatch.

C. Assuming that the People’s Party had the results in its favor, the campaigning team indulged in celebrations too early, only to soon realize that its venomous election campaign had cost it dearly.-- as far as the verbs are concerned, there seems to be no hitch as all the tenses are in the past. However, the first 'its' refers to the party while the second 'its' refers to the team and the 'it' refers to the party. By far the best, if we can ignore the dichotomy of the pronoun reference.



D. Assuming that the People’s Party have the results in its favor, the campaigning team indulged in celebrations too early, only to soon realize that its venomous election campaign had cost it dearly.--- 'have' is SV error. The first 'its' refers to the party while the second 'its 'refers to the team and the 'it 'refers to the party.

E. Assuming that the People’s Party has the results in its favor, the campaigning team indulged in celebrations too early, only to soon realize that its venomous election campaign had cost it dearly.-- the same pronoun reference problem as in D.

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The first point of note is that the people's party is singular and therefore 'have' and their' are grammatically incorrect. Only 'has' ' is the correct verb.

Second, 'have' or 'has' is present tense singular; depending upon the person or it can be a present plural. (Called v1 verbs) 'Had' is the simple past tense (called d V2 verb) on their own, they are never present perfect or past perfect (called V3 verbs)

In a perfect tense verb, the 'have' or 'has' or 'had' acts as an auxiliary verb and has to be necessarily accompanied by another main verb - examples: has gone, have gone or had gone.
Third, in a sentence, a pronoun, however many times, should always refer to the same identity.


A. Assuming that the People’s Party have the results in their favor, the campaigning team indulged in celebrations too early, only to soon realize that its venomous election campaign had cost it dearly. ---1. Have and 'it' pronoun error. 2. We can't say the present tense 'have' and at the same time 'indulged' in past tense.

B. Assuming that the People’s Party has the results in their favor, the campaigning team indulged in celebrations too early, only to soon realize that its venomous election campaign had cost it dearly. --- 'has and their is a mismatch.

C. Assuming that the People’s Party had the results in its favor, the campaigning team indulged in celebrations too early, only to soon realize that its venomous election campaign had cost it dearly.-- as far as the verbs are concerned, there seems to be no hitch as all the tenses are in the past. However, the first 'its' refers to the party while the second 'its' refers to the team and the 'it' refers to the party. By far the best, if we can ignore the dichotomy of the pronoun reference.



D. Assuming that the People’s Party have the results in its favor, the campaigning team indulged in celebrations too early, only to soon realize that its venomous election campaign had cost it dearly.--- 'have' is SV error. The first 'its' refers to the party while the second 'its 'refers to the team and the 'it 'refers to the party.

E. Assuming that the People’s Party has the results in its favor, the campaigning team indulged in celebrations too early, only to soon realize that its venomous election campaign had cost it dearly.-- the same pronoun reference problem as in D.


What about the Use of subjunctive in hypothetical situations here! since it is an assumption , doesnt it command a subjunctive and so have is right instead of had?
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The first point of note is that the people's party is singular and therefore 'have' and their' are grammatically incorrect. Only 'has' ' is the correct verb.

Second, 'have' or 'has' is present tense singular; depending upon the person or it can be a present plural. (Called v1 verbs) 'Had' is the simple past tense (called d V2 verb) on their own, they are never present perfect or past perfect (called V3 verbs)

In a perfect tense verb, the 'have' or 'has' or 'had' acts as an auxiliary verb and has to be necessarily accompanied by another main verb - examples: has gone, have gone or had gone.
Third, in a sentence, a pronoun, however many times, should always refer to the same identity.


A. Assuming that the People’s Party have the results in their favor, the campaigning team indulged in celebrations too early, only to soon realize that its venomous election campaign had cost it dearly. ---1. Have and 'it' pronoun error. 2. We can't say the present tense 'have' and at the same time 'indulged' in past tense.

B. Assuming that the People’s Party has the results in their favor, the campaigning team indulged in celebrations too early, only to soon realize that its venomous election campaign had cost it dearly. --- 'has and their is a mismatch.

C. Assuming that the People’s Party had the results in its favor, the campaigning team indulged in celebrations too early, only to soon realize that its venomous election campaign had cost it dearly.-- as far as the verbs are concerned, there seems to be no hitch as all the tenses are in the past. However, the first 'its' refers to the party while the second 'its' refers to the team and the 'it' refers to the party. By far the best, if we can ignore the dichotomy of the pronoun reference.



D. Assuming that the People’s Party have the results in its favor, the campaigning team indulged in celebrations too early, only to soon realize that its venomous election campaign had cost it dearly.--- 'have' is SV error. The first 'its' refers to the party while the second 'its 'refers to the team and the 'it 'refers to the party.

E. Assuming that the People’s Party has the results in its favor, the campaigning team indulged in celebrations too early, only to soon realize that its venomous election campaign had cost it dearly.-- the same pronoun reference problem as in D.


What about the Use of subjunctive in hypothetical situations here! since it is an assumption , doesnt it command a subjunctive and so have is right instead of had?
Little confused as conflicting opinions are presented by experts for this!


Can any expert revert on this and conclude the solution for this? There is a lot of confusion and debate going on but no conclusion on the solution. Please help.
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Please could you explain the usage of "have " here??
Also what is wrong in E?

Assuming already states a hypothetical situation so "has" is also right !

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Please could you explain the usage of "have " here??
Also what is wrong in E?

Assuming already states a hypothetical situation so "has" is also right !

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Good question - I'd say at "have" in D is wrong both from a subject-verb standpoint (its subject is the singular "party," which may take that plural verb in British English like "Arsenal are playing Man City" but the GMAT won't test that usage), and like others have pointed out from a verb tense issue it only makes sense if that action is in the past, because we find out later that the opposite was true and that that party had lost. So D doesn't work here...like daagh I'd go C on this one for tense and agreement purposes. (Note E has that same tense issue)
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