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At a recent session, the French government has decided that Paris needs a second, larger opera house to complement the famous Paris Opera.

(A) has decided that Paris needs
(B) decided that Paris needs
(C) has decided that Paris will need
(D) decided that Paris has a need of
(E) has decided that Paris needed
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The answer is B because the word "has" doesn't have a place in the underlined part of the sentence since the author speaks of a past incident, "in a recent session".

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I think that both verbs "decide and need" should be in the same tense. Why in B, need is in the present? Please explain on this problem. I chosen B first, but later I chosen A for this reason.

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Present Perfect:

Action Started.............continue.....................Present.

=> Means an action started in the past and continued to present. There will be an on going operation or action.

In the recent session, a decision was taken. There is no ongoing action here. Some took the decision. Then what? anything else up to present? No. Means there is no ongoing action. So, we need to use past simple tense.

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I think that both verbs "decide and need" should be in the same tense. Why in B, need is in the present? Please explain on this problem. I chosen B first, but later I chosen A for this reason.

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"Decide" should be in the past because of "recent session". The government "decided", or took a decision.
Why "need" in simple present? Because the government can take a decision, but can't change the need, at least right away. Is the need already satisfied? The sentence doesn't say that the theater is already built, so the need is still there. Did the population of Paris change their habits and don't need anymore to go to the theater? It's out of the sentence. So, unless we have evidence of any changes (the need is still there), we should use simple present.

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Hey cano, your explanation is good.... and I had narrowed the choices to B and D.

But I chose (D) because I thought that people's need still continues to exist and hence the sentence should say 'Paris has a need of'......why we shoud choose (B) over (D).......please let me know if I need a thought readjustment here.

At a recent session, the French government has decided that Paris needs a second, larger opera house to complement the famous Paris Opera.

(A) has decided that Paris needs
(B) decided that Paris needs
(C) has decided that Paris will need
(D) decided that Paris has a need of
(E) has decided that Paris needed

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Hey cano, your explanation is good.... and I had narrowed the choices to B and D.

But I chose (D) because I thought that people's need still continues to exist and hence the sentence should say 'Paris has a need of'......why we shoud choose (B) over (D).......please let me know if I need a thought readjustment here.


Hi seekmba,

I'm not a SC expert, nor grammar expert, just started to study for GMAT recently. Besides, English is not my first language, so any advice I give you take it as is...

Reading MGMAT SC materials, I learned that if you have 2 options with the same meaning, but one has less words, then choose the shorter option because it will have a clearer meaning. Here, the option B uses only "needs" whereas option D uses "has a need of". I'm not sure whether "has a need of" is completely incorrect or wordy/awkward, but as a general rule (following the materials) the shorter answer is the better one. Here 1 word against 4.

That's all I can say. Following the advice from MGMAT has helped me to at least choose correct answers in practical exams. I'm not saying that I became an expert in English grammar, but if at least I can do better in the GMAT, good to do so.

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At a recent session, the French government has decided that Paris needs a second, larger opera house to complement the famous Paris Opera.
(A) has decided that Paris needs
(B) decided that Paris needs
(C) has decided that Paris will need
(D) decided that Paris has a need of
(E) has decided that Paris needed


B
There is a clear time point "at a recent session" - past simple. + Paris needs, because other phrases are wordy.

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why "Has Decided" options cancelled out vs. "Decided"?

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why "Has Decided" options cancelled out vs. "Decided"?


See my explanation above.

Here is the exact time given "At a recent session", so we should use past simple. The decision was made on the certain date. The decision process does not continue at this moment.
It is like saying "On Monday, the French government decided ..."

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B.
e.g. Ministers decided that candidate is best among other candidates

present tense is required because the current situation of a past event and we have conveyed the past time using the past tense (decided)

One more example, e.g. Umpire decided that player A is faulty

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why "Has Decided" options cancelled out vs. "Decided"?


hi aalba005, there is another catch to the qn as well. There is need vs needs/needed. French govt is singular and hence should be 'needs'.

that leaves only A and B or has decided vs decided.

'has decided' is present perfect tense (has/have+past participle) which means that the action is still on in the present. for e.g., he has lived in italy for 3 years now (means he has lived and still residing in italy)

since the session has already happened in the past, and the action completed (decided), the correct tense would be decided.

thats how i got 'B'

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aalba005 wrote:
why "Has Decided" options cancelled out vs. "Decided"?


hi aalba005, there is another catch to the qn as well. There is need vs needs/needed. French govt is singular and hence should be 'needs'.

that leaves only A and B or has decided vs decided.

'has decided' is present perfect tense (has/have+past participle) which means that the action is still on in the present. for e.g., he has lived in italy for 3 years now (means he has lived and still residing in italy)

since the session has already happened in the past, and the action completed (decided), the correct tense would be decided.

thats how i got 'B'

This is partially correct because present perfect can be used to describe an event that started in past and whose effect is present till now. I have lived in Italy does not necessarily mean that i am living there at present.

Decided is use because we are talking about a specific event in past.
Whenever we want to quote a specific time we use Simple past and whenever we want to quote a time that started in past and continue up to present we will use present perfect (See below post for more uses of Present perfect)
e.g. Yesterday, I ate at Burger King (Simple past)
In the last week, i have eaten twice at burger king (present perfect)

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When to use Present Perfect and Simple Past

Simple past is used whenever we want to highlight a specific instance of time in past.
e.g. yesterday, I played for 2 hours
I took my GMAT on 30th April

Present Perfect is used whenever
a) we want to specify an instance that happened in past but we don't know when it happened.
e.g. I have been to London

b) we want to specify an instance that took place in past and is true till present
e.g. I have loved her since we married
"For - to specify a period of time" and "Since - to specify a specific time" time indicators are used here

c) we want to specify an instance that took place in past, is finished but whose effect is present till now
e.g. I have cleaned my room
In the last week, i have eaten twice at burger king (present perfect)
Last week, i ate 2 times at burger king (simple past)
Notice the difference b/w In the last week & last week in 2nd and 3rd sentences above

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noboru wrote:
I dont see whats wrong with A. OK, it is about a past action, but it has a current effect: present perfect is OK.

Some light?


The word 'has' is unnecessary at this place.

Even though the tense is present perfect, it makes the sentence too wordy. If the sentence was,
The French government has decided in a recent session...
then the presence of 'has' makes complete sense. However, it is completely logical and sounds right as mentioned in option B.

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