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Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.

(A) that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved
(B) that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
(C) suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
(D) to suggest that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolving
(E) to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved
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14 Aug 2006, 10:35
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Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.

(a)..
(b) that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
(c)suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
(d) to suggest that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolving
(e) to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved

Initially, "to suggest" in E seemed unidimatic because I was thinking it was the "evidence" that was suggesting and not the embryologists. However A has ||sm problem. It is missing a THAT before Trunk.

E is correct because it retains parallelism and also, "to suggest" is perfectly alright. They wanted to suggest a theory X and have found evidence that does just that.
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Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.

(A) that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved
(B) that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
(C) suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
(D) to suggest that the elephant has descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolved
(E) to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved

It's a tough one between C and D.

Since elephant is a living species, I believe we need to use "has" not "had". Also I believe that the "evidence to suggest" is not the right usage. It should either be "evidence that suggests" or "evidence suggesting".

C should be it.

Guys, could you not write just your answer? It doesn't help much in the discussion if one doesn't provide some sort of an explanation for choosing a particular answer. Let's make this discussion worthwhile to everyone.
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16 Jun 2008, 07:04
(A) that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved
awkward, redundant use of wrods

(B) that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
Incorrect tense, not parallel

(C) suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
Incorrect tense

(D) to suggest that the elephant has descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolved
Not parallel, should use that its trunk....

(E) to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved
correct
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16 Jun 2008, 13:26
maulikmajithia wrote:
If "E" can be correct then whats the problem with "A" ?

"A. that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved"

It's not parallel:
This statement is of the form "suggests that X is ..., and Y is ..."
Here Y sounds like a true statement, as opposed to something the evidence suggests

The form "suggests that X is ... and that Y is ..." is clearer
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17 Jun 2008, 09:02
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aviator83 wrote:
I think D should be correct as the 2nd ""that" is implied and not required for parallelism.

IMO in this case usage 1 is more appropriate than the 2.

Try these:
John thinks that the earth is flat, and you are crazy.
John thinks that the earth is flat, and that you are crazy.

See a distinction?

aviator83 wrote:
Also, can some one throw some light on the following usages -
1. elephant has descended
2. elephant is descended

"Is descended" is not incorrect. I'm not all that familiar with the whole past participle / present participle nomenclature, but I'm trying to think of some examples; here's a potential one:
1. The enemy has defeated
2. The enemy is defeated[/quote]

thanks incognito and sanjay..for explaining through examples..it sure helps!
1. I don't understand the reason why a comma is required before the "and" conjunction in this case.
2. As I understand the subtle difference in meaning that you are trying point out is explained below - Pls. correct me if iam wrong -
in the first usage the clause following "and" (i.e.you are crazy)seems unrelated to the main clause that is "John thinks that the earth is flat".
whereas,in the second usage the repetition of "that" establishes a relation between the 2 clauses and therefore makes the sentence clear.

1. John thinks that the earth is flat, and you are crazy.
2. John thinks that the earth is flat, and that you are crazy.

Also, the usage example provided by sanjay seems more appropriate because it replicates the scenario in the sentence.
Incognito, buddy could you explain it a little more in clearer terms as i still feel the usage- "the elephant has descended" is better than "elephant is descended".
thanks. +1 to both of you.
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Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.
A. that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved
B. that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
C. suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
D. to suggest that the elephant has descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolved
E. to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved

Why is " elephant is descended" grammatically correct.

evidence should be followed by that here since whatever clause is succeding this gives explanation about what evidence consists of.

hence C,D,E incorrectly point to embryologists instead of evidence.

eliminate C D E
now b/w among A and B ,its trunk evolving is incorrect ,it evolved is correct usage.evolved just once and thts not a continuos process.
A is the answer

Lets see this :
Why is " elephant is descended" grammatically correct.

this is correct always .

usage of suggest

–verb (used with object)
1. to mention or introduce (an idea, proposition, plan, etc.) for consideration or possible action: The architect suggested that the building be restored.
2. to propose (a person or thing) as suitable or possible for some purpose: We suggested him for president.
3. (of things) to prompt the consideration, making, doing, etc., of: The glove suggests that she was at the scene of the crime.
4. to bring before a person's mind indirectly or without plain expression: I didn't tell him to leave, I only suggested it.
5. to call (something) up in the mind through association or natural connection of ideas: The music suggests a still night.

Other examples :
Jerry suggested that tom is back

jerry suggested that the movie is over

I hope i cleared the doubt to some extent.
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11 Oct 2009, 00:08
I am toggling between A, D and E. But E looks more parallel in structure.

In A, evidence that suggests that the elephant......looks awkward.

in D, lacking parallel structure evidence to suggest THAT X and THAT Y. Missing THAT after end.

So I am going with E.
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05 Jun 2010, 23:43
This one was tricky.

Sorry its E.

Observations -
1. I see "evidence that" is broken here. But that's not what the question is checking. I should be able to connect the underlined part with the rest of the sentence.

2. The SC is checking for that || ism

Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal. and its trunk originally evolving as a kind of snorkel.

(A) that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolving >>> descended and evolving are awkward. OUT

(B) that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving

same as A. OUT

(C) suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolved

this means that elephant descended before its trunk evolved. OUT

(D) to suggest that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolved

same as D. OUT

(E) to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved

This means that elephant descended from aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel. this looks alright. Especially its not doing any sequencing between the two past events

evidence...... that and that ..... -----> that || ism
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Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.
A. that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved
B. that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
C. suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
D. to suggest that the elephant has descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolved
E. to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved

Why is " elephant is descended" grammatically correct.

It is correct because it is equivalent to "is a descendant of"
If you use active form "has/had descended" the phrase no longer has the meaning of "being a descendant". Instead, it will mean "has moved downward". HTH
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"HAD" has basically 2 uses.
either when u r required to make sequential arrangement of events such as to make clear that event A occured prior to event B. or to make possesiveness , that too in the past.

in the sentence given above, the perfect sentence is " ....has descended from an aquatic animal....".
now as per the question raised by u, had descended urges the sentence to mean that the elephants descended in the past but not in the present, thats y its incorrect.

is descended is correct just because it relates with the present tense.

i will go with E.

plz correct me if i am wrong
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The answer choice I picked was E:

A. "That suggests that" is very wordy. Also, parallelism is broken here because "that the elephant..." is not parallel to "its trunk..."

B. The modifier "its trunk originally evolving" seems to be modifying the aquatic animal and not the elephant.

C. The use of the past perfect tense is incorrect. Today, the elephant is still a descendant of these aquatic animals, so past perfect tense doesn't make sense.

D. The use of the past perfect tense is incorrect. Also, parallelism is broken because the first clause "that the elephant..." is not parallel to "its trunk originally..."

E. This answer choice presents the clauses after "to suggest" in parallel and uses the correct verb tense "is descended."
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Illustration: “is descended” and “has/had descended” mean two entirely different things. Has/had descended implies going below (literally or metaphorically).
e.g: I had descended a few steps in the cave.
e.g: I would never want to descend to his level of callousness.
Is descended from implies ancestry. So obviously has/had descended is incorrect.
So, B,C,D are eliminated.
However between A and E, E is marginally better because of two things:
1. That suggests that in A sounds horrible.
2. E maintains “that” parallelism. (however the "second that" in A which apparently seems to be missing is not absolutely essential.)
E is the correct answer
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I picked C, which is not right. My explanations after analysis are below

SUGGEST/SUGGESTS THAT is an idiom

Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.

A. that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved - that suggests that - not right /wordy
B. that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving - SUGGEST THAT idiom is missing
C. suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving - SUGGESTING THAT is not right idiom
D. to suggest that the elephant has descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolved - its is referring to? also not parallel
E. to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved - Correct. Subordinate clauses are parallel
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Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.
A. that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved
B. that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
C. suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
D. to suggest that the elephant has descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolved
E. to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved

Per the meaning, The sentence states two suggestions of an evidence
1. that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal.
2. its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.
both the suggestions can be parallel only when both start with "that".
Issue of II-ism is violated when one of them starts with that and other don't.
In choice A and D, THAT before the second list is missing. Moreover, present perfect( has descended) tense reflects the action/effect wherein the requirement is simple present because we are stating a general fact and not showing an action of descending.
in choice B, after suggested that is required else it would be a meaning issue. So Evidence that has suggested the elephant conveys as if Elephants were suggested by the evidence. Also, its trunk originally..... modifies aquatic animal , an incorrect modification per the meaning listed above.
In choice C, Past perfect (Had) is used, whereas it is used to show sequence of events with a simple past tense. Moreover, with its trunk originally..... modifies aquatic animal , an incorrect modification per the meaning listed above.
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Illustration: “is descended” and “has/had descended” mean two entirely different things. Has/had descended implies going below (literally or metaphorically).
e.g: I had descended a few steps in the cave.
e.g: I would never want to descend to his level of callousness.
Is descended from implies ancestry. So obviously has/had descended is incorrect.
So, B,C,D are eliminated.
However between A and E, E is marginally better because of two things:
1. That suggests that in A sounds horrible.
2. E maintains “that” parallelism. (however the "second that" in A which apparently seems to be missing is not absolutely essential.)
E is the correct answer
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I would like to know : - please correct me if Im wrong

Tree was planted by Ram and that provided mangoes in the month of May .
Clause 1: Tree was planted by Ram
Subject : Tree
verb : Was planted

Clause 1: that provided mangoes in the month of May
Subject : That (pronoun)
verb : provided

here clause 1 and 2 are BOTH independent clause , then should it not be

Tree was planted by Ram , and that provided mangoes in the month of May .
<independent clause > , and < independent clause> ?

on similar lines

the correct form

Australian embryologists have found evidence to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.

This has <Australian embryologists ( =subject) have found ( = verb) > and <that = subject , evovled = verb >

should it not have comma before and ???
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I would like to know : - please correct me if Im wrong

Tree was planted by Ram and that provided mangoes in the month of May .
Clause 1: Tree was planted by Ram
Subject : Tree
verb : Was planted

Clause 1: that provided mangoes in the month of May
Subject : That (pronoun)
verb : provided

here clause 1 and 2 are BOTH independent clause , then should it not be

Tree was planted by Ram , and that provided mangoes in the month of May .
<independent clause > , and < independent clause> ?

on similar lines

the correct form

Australian embryologists have found evidence to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.

This has <Australian embryologists ( =subject) have found ( = verb) > and <that = subject , evovled = verb >

should it not have comma before and ???

The clause beginning with "that" in your example and the main question in discussion, are not I/C. Think of it by removing the first I/C, and consider only the second clause with relative pronoun "that" does it make sense? What is "that" referring to? It is thus a D/C

And as norm, I/C can be followed by D/C there need not be ,

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Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.
A. that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved
B. that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
C. suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
D. to suggest that the elephant has descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolved
E. to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved

I understand why so many people answered incorrectly, it's not easy to get a grip on this question if you're not even provided an underlined part.

Between C and E: "with its trunk" is ambiguous and can refer to the "aquatic animal", E doesn't have this ambiguity so we go with E.
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be descended from
is idiom

decended from
is not idiom

this problem is in og 10 and is old and so is not good for study. gmat now test idioms less .this mean gmat dose not test the rarely used idioms. but remember, english has a lot of basic idioms which we have to learn because gmat will tess these idioms.

gmat will no longer test the idioms like idiom above becuse it is rarely used. I think so
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