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Originally posted by MDav1984 on 26 Apr 2016, 07:58.
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New post 26 Apr 2016, 08:17
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So, a couple concerns with your post...

1) The Director of Career Services is Male.

2) Big financial and consulting companies hire ND MBAs often.
I have classmates going to work for Bank of America, Morgan Stanley, Deloitte, and EY, to name a few. Further, Amazon and Google have hired and offer internships to current students.

3) The Alumni Network is comprised of all ND Graduates; however, the MBA Program also has a Graduate Relations Director to facilitate connections. Of course, in any network, thereby be a few who cannot or will not help. On average, there are many more who do. (Maybe you were too aggressive?)

In summary, to claim the ND MBA destroyed your career prospects is unlikely. The program can only give you the tools and guide their use. If you've struggled using the tools, then maybe you should reach out to the program for help. There are many networking events meant to alleviate any troubles.

Lastly, it appears you just created the account to post here, thus leaving no way to verify you were in the program.

If any prospective students want a more realistic perspective from a current student, contact me.



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Thanks for the click bait. :roll: There's plenty wrong with your post but I will comment on the tone and attitude of the OP.
It sounds like you didn't put any work into your MBA program and expected the school to do everything for you. With that attitude you should appreciate that a top 25 school even accepted you. Of course, since you just joined this site and your timing is suspicious, I doubt you even went to the school.
ND does have some weaknesses but they have a very strong focus on ethics and accountability. Did you miss that while applying?
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MDav1984 wrote:
I highly recommend prospective MBA students to gather all of the facts and conduct extensive research before choosing a MBA program. In my case, I made the mistake of choosing the Notre Dame MBA. By selecting the ND MBA program, I have greatly derailed my career prospects. Below are the factors that led me to this conclusion:
1) Lack of Quality Employers- The administration states that the Notre Dame MBA is a high caliber program, ranked along with the other elite MBA programs. However, the program does not attract the high-quality employers that are associated with a top-tier program. For example, the MBA program attracts very few capital markets firms (private equity, investment bank, asset management), start-ups, corporate development or top consulting firms. A few capital markets firms and consulting firms state that they are "core" employers of the school, but these firms do not come and recruit students on a regular basis. As a result, this led my classmates and I to apply to jobs on LinkedIn and other career websites which defeats the primary value-add of a MBA program: to promote on-campus recruiting.
2) Lack of Alumni Network- The admissions and career development counselors stress the "strength of the alumni network." This is a complete lie. The strength of the network resides at the undergraduate level and NOT the MBA level. When I entered the program, I assumed that the undergraduate alumni network would be willing to help the MBAs network with firms. This is not true. The undergraduates don't identify with the MBA program and since the MBA program is relatively new, with a small class size, the MBA alumni network is small. It is a shame as high-quality firms travel to South Bend and recruit the undergraduates. However, there is no cross-over to the MBA level.
3) Ineffective Career Staff/Dean- The career staff and the dean are completely incompetent and are unwilling to recognize any problems. Many of my classmates had been very vocal about the need to change the quality of the program, specifically in regards to the two points I mentioned above. Early on, I quickly realized that meeting with the career staff is a complete waste of time. The Dean and Associate Dean are aware of the numerous career development issues, but both men are unwilling to fix the problems. I remember having a conversation with the head of the career center and telling her that the school has a problem as my class was about to graduate and only 60% of the students had received full-time job offers and only 50% of those students had accepted the offer. She said that it’s a tough economy and that other “top” schools are experiencing the same numbers. I called friends at other “top” schools and there rates were 90%+.
4) MBAs unwilling to help- There are a few alums who have risen to positions of power. However, I know when my classmates and I attempted to network with these people, they were not receptive to helping us network with people in the industry.


No wonder you couldn't land a job. I haven't even started at the program and I have an offer at a hedge fund from a ND alum.
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MDav1984 wrote:
I highly recommend prospective MBA students to gather all of the facts and conduct extensive research before choosing a MBA program. In my case, I made the mistake of choosing the Notre Dame MBA. By selecting the ND MBA program, I have greatly derailed my career prospects. Below are the factors that led me to this conclusion:
1) Lack of Quality Employers- The administration states that the Notre Dame MBA is a high caliber program, ranked along with the other elite MBA programs. However, the program does not attract the high-quality employers that are associated with a top-tier program. For example, the MBA program attracts very few capital markets firms (private equity, investment bank, asset management), start-ups, corporate development or top consulting firms. A few capital markets firms and consulting firms state that they are "core" employers of the school, but these firms do not come and recruit students on a regular basis. As a result, this led my classmates and I to apply to jobs on LinkedIn and other career websites which defeats the primary value-add of a MBA program: to promote on-campus recruiting.
2) Lack of Alumni Network- The admissions and career development counselors stress the "strength of the alumni network." This is a complete lie. The strength of the network resides at the undergraduate level and NOT the MBA level. When I entered the program, I assumed that the undergraduate alumni network would be willing to help the MBAs network with firms. This is not true. The undergraduates don't identify with the MBA program and since the MBA program is relatively new, with a small class size, the MBA alumni network is small. It is a shame as high-quality firms travel to South Bend and recruit the undergraduates. However, there is no cross-over to the MBA level.
3) Ineffective Career Staff/Dean- The career staff and the dean are completely incompetent and are unwilling to recognize any problems. Many of my classmates had been very vocal about the need to change the quality of the program, specifically in regards to the two points I mentioned above. Early on, I quickly realized that meeting with the career staff is a complete waste of time. The Dean and Associate Dean are aware of the numerous career development issues, but both men are unwilling to fix the problems. I remember having a conversation with the head of the career center and telling her that the school has a problem as my class was about to graduate and only 60% of the students had received full-time job offers and only 50% of those students had accepted the offer. She said that it’s a tough economy and that other “top” schools are experiencing the same numbers. I called friends at other “top” schools and there rates were 90%+.
4) MBAs unwilling to help- There are a few alums who have risen to positions of power. However, I know when my classmates and I attempted to network with these people, they were not receptive to helping us network with people in the industry.


This sounds very strange. I applied to the ND MBA and did quite a deep research on the program and the University (as anyone planning to do an MBA does). I talked with 3 current students and 4 alums, and none of them mentioned any of the things you did. As a prospective student I was able to experience first hand the willingness to help of the ND community and the strength of the alumni network.
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Looks like the account is created just to demean the school's image. I strongly believe that this is one school that cares a lot about Ethics and I cannot expect one of it's students doing this.
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New post 26 Apr 2016, 18:51
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I hope things turn out for the better for the OP.

I know that since he had posted about it in the ND sub section, there would be plenty that would denounce it immediately...

However, without knowing the true extent of OP's profile, I can understand how one might come to a conclusion that OP's a troll without giving some benefit of the doubt.

While the tone of the note is harsh, I can certainly see some validity of the noted post made by the OP...

Remember that an MBA class will likely have over 100+ students at a time... experiences varies from individuals... last but not least, MBA admissions act like a marketing firm just as much as they are trying to review your "fit" - would you as a marketing firm send out a disgruntled student/alumni or those successful ones??

OP - if you are reading this... I really hope things starts to turn for you. an MBA program is like working for a corporation (albeit a smaller sized one)... things are not so clear cut as they seem, and perceptions of happiness/ what the program should have provided gets cloudy... really hope that it's not a wasted investment for you and your future.
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