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New post 12 Jan 2009, 08:23
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Thats why you have all these great admits and I was waitlisted


I can read that, lol
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New post 20 Jan 2009, 14:38
Here's my question. I definitely did not lie on my apps. Not having heard about these background checks, however, I simply estimated the annualized salaries I've made in my past part-time jobs. I have now double-checked them, and for one job I see that I overestimated my annualized salary by about $5000 and my hours by about 10 hrs/week. Do you guys think this is something that will come up in the process? Should I e-mail my schools to let them know the more accurate information? It seems a little ridiculous to correct such a small error, but I'd rather get it out of the way if it's going to raise a red flag on my admissions file.
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New post 21 Jan 2009, 04:51
Were these jobs you had many years ago or are they very recent? My opinion would be to wait and see if this actually becomes an issue - if it does you can explain to the school how you estimated it and how the error was made. If you made a good faith effort to be as accurate as possible, I think you'll be fine. I'd have to think that $5000 and 10 hrs/week were not the deciding factors on your app.
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New post 21 Jan 2009, 10:11
The job in question was a summer job that I had for a couple of months during the summer of 2006. My method of estimating my salary was pretty clumsy, but the job itself was not hugely important. I gave my annualized salary at $20,000 when it should have been more like $15,000. I was an intern making $10/hr and working 3 days a week. I estimated my annualized salary as though I had been working 5 days a week.

I suppose my question is whether or not you think they will catch this error. Did anyone else make a similar mistake in their annualized salary/hours for part-time work and receive a call from the adcom?
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New post 21 Jan 2009, 10:14
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The job in question was a summer job that I had for a couple of months during the summer of 2006. My method of estimating my salary was pretty clumsy, but the job itself was not hugely important. I gave my annualized salary at $20,000 when it should have been more like $15,000. I was an intern making $10/hr and working 3 days a week. I estimated my annualized salary as though I had been working 5 days a week.

I suppose my question is whether or not you think they will catch this error. Did anyone else make a similar mistake in their annualized salary/hours for part-time work and receive a call from the adcom?


Depends on the school. Unlikely, though...
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New post 21 Jan 2009, 10:57
Even if it does come up I wouldn't worry too much. When/if the school asks about it, explain the error. Given that it was a summer job from a few years ago, this probably isn't a deal breaker for the school.
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I lied on my application by extending the employment date of one of my positions by 4 months to cover an employment gap. I was unaware that most school's conduct background checks and now I am worried this will severely affect my chances for admission. My questions are as follows:

Originally posted by Gmatter79 on 22 Jan 2009, 11:33.
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Gmatter79 wrote:
I lied on my application by extending the employment date of one of my positions by 4 months to cover an employment gap. I was unaware that most school's conduct background checks and now I am worried this will severely affect my chances for admission. My questions are as follows:

1. Should I come clean to the adcom committee before or during an interview?
2. Should I wait till I am accepted and then attempt to explain my reasons?
3. Do they conduct background checks on every admitted student or do they select a small sampling? I am not applying to Wharton or Berkeley, which I know take background checks very seriously.

Any thoughts?


Wow, I think you'll find the people here very reluctant to help you. We all killed ourselves writing good, honest applications, and people like you potentially take away spots from the rest of us.

With that said, here's my piece of advice: honesty is the best policy. I'll let you decide how that answers your questions.
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I lied on my application by extending the employment date of one of my positions by 4 months to cover an employment gap. I was unaware that most school's conduct background checks and now I am worried this will severely affect my chances for admission.


One should never lie on any part of their application. everyone signs an affidavit when they submit their application. This might severely damage your chances at the schools you applied to.

Schools run background checks only after you accept their admit offer. My advice is that you contact those schools before admit offer and try to correct the issue.
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Gmatter79 wrote:
I lied on my application by extending the employment date of one of my positions by 4 months to cover an employment gap. I was unaware that most school's conduct background checks and now I am worried this will severely affect my chances for admission.


I'll echo the previous posters and say it was a very bad idea to lie on the application. Schools take honesty and ethics very seriously and after some of the well-known "scandals" the past few years - eg. Scoretop, HBS, Duke - there is a very low tolerance for dishonesty.

That said, it's always better to come forward and admit to your wrongdoing than to wait to be caught.
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New post 22 Jan 2009, 14:06
Hmm the only honest thing for you to do is withdraw your app.

Since that won't happen, what are you going to do? Lie and say you made a typo on your app? Or come clean and said you lied to cover your gap? Honestly, your best bet is to crap your pants and pray it doesn't come up.
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I lied on my application by extending the employment date of one of my positions by 4 months to cover an employment gap. I was unaware that most school's conduct background checks and now I am worried this will severely affect my chances for admission. My questions are as follows:


Umm are you serious or is this a joke? If you did lie, then I would echo zoinnk's sentiments that you would find litte sympathy here. I hate to be mean, but you probably just cost yourself your admit. Not to mention that even if you somehow make it through and the school doesnt catch it, your conscience would bother you...should have come clear man...haven't you read that the adcomm usually doesnt hold it against you when you come clean?

Now if is IS Kroll, I am almost 100% sure this would come up. I think the "limit" where you can get by is 3 months of not having to explain gaps. In fact now that I think about it, you would probably have lied about "Reason for leaving" as well. Thats gonna raise many flags.

I don't have any suggestions for you..can't tell you what to do. All I can say is get yourself mentally ready to have your admission rescinded - would hate to be in your shoes. Sorry if thats mean, but its true.
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New post 22 Jan 2009, 18:03
Just realized you dont actually have an admit yet... guess that makes the pain lesser. I would come clean NOW - tell them you made a mistake, even if costs you the admit. It is NOT worth it.
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New post 22 Jan 2009, 18:27
If you confess, you're done. No chance to get an admit.
I can guarantee you that there are hundreds of other ppl waiting in line.

So just pray hard that nothing comes up...but yea brace yourself to apply to other schools (and not lie about this again).
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New post 22 Jan 2009, 21:01
Also depends on the time frame of and position of the job. Was this your first job out of school, your most recent? Say for instance if you held your current position for 5 plus years and this was a job prior to that, chances are they may not check up on it. That's just a guess though.
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I'm in total agreement with the important parts above. Lying on your application in any substantive way is utterly dishonest. Shame on you.

That said, I'm 100% positive that there is a LOT of exaggeration, if not outright lying, on many, many applications. Unfortunately, most of the people who do so are never caught. Chances are, you won't be either. So while I'd encourage you to come clean, I'm pretty sure you won't, and the adcom probably won't catch this.

Even still, if I found out that a classmate of mine had done something like this, I'd probably never trust him/her again.
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I'm in total agreement with the important parts above. Lying on your application in any substantive way is utterly dishonest. Shame on you.

That said, I'm 100% positive that there is a LOT of exaggeration, if not outright lying, on many, many applications. Unfortunately, most of the people who do so are never caught. Chances are, you won't be either. So while I'd encourage you to come clean, I'm pretty sure you won't, and the adcom probably won't catch this.

Even still, if I found out that a classmate of mine had done something like this, I'd probably never trust him/her again.


Agree completely. The travesty of the whole thing is that since even Kroll (who can do ANYTHING) can't really confirm the details of applications (roles in projects, etc...) because of the sensitive nature of businesses, those of us who are using true, anecdotal evidence may be trumped by overzealous (and under-qualified) applicants who make something up. Unfortunately, the adcom will not always know the truth.

It is what it is though. All you can do is be honest about your accomplishments. The reality is that wherever all of us go to school, we will likely have numerous classmates who have lied on their applications. This isn't so much cynical as it is realistic.
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New post 03 Feb 2009, 15:30
My take on it is this guy probably will not get caught. Take a look at CBS, a highly ranked school that just checks CURRENT work experience. Now imagine how many people could have lied about previous experiences/employment gaps there. As far as I know Wharton and NYU have been doing thorough background checks with Wharton switching it up every year but most other schools just limit to current employment some lower schools don't even check. So on that note its unfortunate people like this will be in a TOP MBA program when someone more deserving who told the truth will not. Sadly thats how the system works.
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so i have a question, throughout my career i have worked for the same company, a rather large one...so whenever i worked for different organizations within the same company, we had different internal titles but from HR perspective we had like a "universal job title"..

for instance..if i worked as a product manager, my internal title would be "product manager", however from HR perspective it would be Specialist 3rd level etc.. after our company merged, they finally got around to introducing new titles i.e more specific to job/role etc, more inline with the company we merged with... I am not sure if i should use the old titles or the newer more job/role specific title.

Another example when i moved to our sales organization, since its a customer facing organization, the sales organization gave us fancier titles..

I am just picking titles as i had on my business card..not sure what our HR has it on its record..luckily my current title is the same on HR record and our organization.
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New post 03 Feb 2009, 19:52
Hey guys, I also have a question. I am an international student and I have been active at a non profit, where there is no such thing as a HR department, and most of the people who work/volunteer do not speak english. How does Kroll work with this?

Also, what about when you work for your small family business? How do they verify that?

Thanks everyone and good luck.
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