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09 Jun 2004, 11:26
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Guys, try to solve this interesting probability question

Assume that a beauty contest is being judged by the following rules: (1) there are N contestants not seen by the judges before the contest, and (2) the contestants are individually presented to the judges in a random sequence. Only one contestant appears before the judges at any one time. (3) The judges must decide on the spot whether the contestant appearing before them is the most beautiful. If they decide in the affirmative the contest is over but the risk is that a still more beautiful is in the group as yet not displayed. In that case the judges have made the wrong decision. On the other hand, if they pass over the candidate, the contestant is disqualified from further consideration even if it turns out that all subsequent candidates are less beautiful. What is the probability of correctly choosing the most beautiful contestant?

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09 Jun 2004, 12:30
Let me try this again.

Assume 3 candidates are there A,B,C and A is the most beautiful

A can be shown to the judges in 3 ways. But total number of ways in which we can arrange A,B,C is 3! = 6 ways
P = 3/6 or n/n! = 1/(n-1)!

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09 Jun 2004, 13:18
I think my solution is wrong.

Assume A,B,C are the candidates and A happens to be the most beautiful
In order to make a proper judgement I need to see A at the end.
A,B,C can be arranged in 3! ways. If A comes at the end then other two come before A in 2! ways
P = 2!/3! = 1/3
In case of N P = (N-1)!/N! = 1/N

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09 Jun 2004, 13:23
anandnk wrote:
In order to make a proper judgement I need to see A at the end.

Well, if A is first or second, does that not count if she is chosen outright and second or third person is just ignored? Hence. does A need to be third for there to be a valid judgement?
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09 Jun 2004, 15:08
I'll give it a try.
Let's say there are 3 contestants {A,B,C}
We have to multiply the probability of the most beautiful person {A} taking a given position by the remaining probability of having her win the competition given that the other persons before are rejected.

Let's say A is the first person to show up.
Probability of that happening: 1/3
Probability of her being chosen: 1/1 because she is most beautiful and competition stops there

Let's say A is the second person to show up.
Probability of that happening is 1/3
Probability of her being chosen: 1/2 since this is her chance to win if the person before her is also beautiful and is chosen before her

Let's say A is the third person to show up.
Probability of that happening: 1/3
Probability of her being chosen: 1/3 since this is her chance to win if either of the 2 persons before her are chosen

Therefore, for a 3 persons competition, the probability of the most beautiful person winning would be:
=1/3*1/1 + 1/3*1/2 + 1/3*1/3
=1/3 (1 + 1/2 + 1/3) = 11/18

The general formula would simplify to:
1/n (1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + ... 1/n)
I'm not sure how to simplify this though.
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10 Jun 2004, 05:57
Hi Paul,

What you said make sense.

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10 Jun 2004, 16:22

P=(1/N) *SUM(from x=a+1 to N) a/(x-1)

a is crucial number of contestant in wait and see strategy

If N-> infinity P=0.37

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10 Jun 2004, 18:05
boksana, what would be the answer for a 4 person roster? Just want to double check.
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11 Jun 2004, 05:43
boksana wrote:

P=(1/N) *SUM(from x=a+1 to N) a/(x-1)

a is crucial number of contestant in wait and see strategy

If N-> infinity P=0.37

I guess this exactly says what Paul wrote just in general form, doesn't it?

Paul wrote:
The general formula would simplify to:
1/n (1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + ... 1/n)
I'm not sure how to simplify this though.

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11 Jun 2004, 05:53
Acctually, the probability will depend on a. It means on how many contestants we will ignore first, and choose the most beautiful among them.
So, Paul's general formula is wrong.

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11 Jun 2004, 08:12
boksana wrote:
Acctually, the probability will depend on a. It means on how many contestants we will ignore first, and choose the most beautiful among them.
So, Paul's general formula is wrong.

Hmmm, can you then confirm what the answer would be for a 4 person contest then? I believe that "a" was taken into consideration when I allocated the "remaining probability of having the most beautiful person win the competition given that the other persons before were rejected".
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12 Jun 2004, 20:48
The answer will depend on your strategy. If 3 contestants were in your strategy always regected, then P=1/4.

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