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subsequently & after which ----> redundant. eliminates A and C
having ---- eliminates B and D
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e-gmat or GMATNinja request you to rectify my understanding

In POE, step I narrowed down the prospective answer to A and E.
I could not identify the redundancy error in option A.
In case of option E, I thought that the phrase, "fragments rejoined" alters the meaning. From my perspective, the phrases presents a meaning that the fragments themselves rejoined.
In case of option A, I could not find anything unusual aside from the passive tense usage.
Hence, providing a higher weightage to "meaning alteration" I decided to choose option A.

My questions are:
1. I would appreciate any guidance on how to spot a redundancy error, as I fail to stop such error number of times
2. Please clarify my confusion regarding the meaning change in option E.
Thank you.

An answer contains a redundancy if it contains two components that play the exact same role. For example, I could write, "Dave's toddler suffered a terrible injury, after which, he resolved to stop reenacting climactic battle scene from Game of Thrones with his small children." Or I could write, "Dave's toddler suffered a terrible injury; subsequently, he resolved to stop reenacting climactic battle scene from Game of Thrones with his small children."

But I'd never write, "Dave's toddler suffered a terrible injury, after which, he subsequently resolved to stop reenacting climactic battle scene from Game of Thrones with his small children," because "after which" and "subsequently" are conveying identical bits of information.

In this question, the question-writer hints that "subsequently" is unnecessary, as some of the answer choices contain the word, and some don't, and nothing is lost by deleting "subsequently" because every answer choice contains "after which."

As for concerns about changing the meaning, think of it this way: you are given five sentences. You want to pick the one that is the best option. If (E) has a different meaning than (A), but (E) is clearer -- or if (A) contains a mistake -- then (E) is a better sentence.

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in my opinion, the use of WHICH is worng in all the five choices, because WHICH can not refer to an action.

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First, a public service announcement: anytime you see an "error" in all five answer choices, whatever you saw must be acceptable! Look for other issues.

That said, take another look at the relevant portion of (E):

    "...the surface broke apart as a result of repeated impacts, after which the fragments rejoined through mutual gravitational attraction."

The only rule for "which" is that it must modify a noun or noun phrase, and it must be reasonably close to what it modifies. Here, "which" seems to describe the "repeated impacts," and this makes perfect sense - after the impacts, the fragments rejoined.

The takeaway: anytime you see the same construction in all five answer choices, don't burn any brain cells trying to determine if the construction is correct! It has to be. Your job is to pick the best available option, not to construct the perfect sentence.

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The answer is E. Subsequently is redundant.
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Because Miranda, the smallest moon of Uranus, has a large number of different surface features, including craters, mountains, valleys, and fractures, some astronomers suggest that at one time repeated impacts broke the surface apart, and after which the fragments were subsequently rejoined because of mutual gravitational attraction.

(A) repeated impacts broke the surface apart, and after which the fragments were subsequently rejoined because of - - don't need 'and' if you use 'after which' (no need for 2 linking words/phrases); redundancy: 'after which' means the same thing as 'subsequently', so having both is fatal
'because of' is sketchy; it suggests indirect causation, while the clear meaning is that gravitational attraction was directly responsible
bad parallelism: first half is in active voice, but second half is in passive voice
(B) repeated impacts on the surface broke it apart, after which the fragments having rejoined with - - 'it' could potentially refer to either 'surface' or 'miranda' (or even 'uranus')
- 'having rejoined with' isn't a verb (an actual bona fide verb is required for parallelism)
(C) through repeated impacts that the surface broke apart, after which the fragments subsequently rejoined by - the wording suggests that the surface broke apart by itself (although perhaps because of the urging of the impacts) - doesn't have anywhere near as much directness as it should;
redundancy: 'after which' means the same thing as 'subsequently', so having both is fatal
(D) the surface broke apart with repeated impacts, after which the fragments having rejoined through - - 'with' is incorrect as it indicates an aspect of the breakage process itself whereas repeated impacts caused that process
- 'having rejoined': same problem as in choice b
(E) the surface broke apart as a result of repeated impacts, after which the fragments rejoined through - Correct ; proper parallelism: the surface broke apart is parallel to the fragments rejoined

Answer E


"preposition + WHICH" plays the same modifying role as does plain "which" -- namely, it modifies the noun preceding the comma.

in the original sentence, then, this "after which" doesn't make any sense, because there is no noun in the appropriate position (i.e., preceding the comma).

in the correct answer, "after which..." correctly modifies the immediately preceding noun "(repeated) impacts".
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A,B and C illogically suggest that repeated impacts occurred at one time. It is clear the sentence is describing the characteristics of Uranus' moon, so it also wouldn't make much sense to make 'repeated impacts' the focal point of the scientists' suggestion; instead, it makes sense to make the broken surface the focus.

D - did the surface break apart as a result of the repeated impacts or did the surface AND the repeated impacts break apart together? It isn't clear, but its certainly illogical. "having rejoined" imposes a condition on the fragments without actually answering it. Having rejoined... what happens? We don't know.

E logically communicates that the surface is the focal point of the scientists' suggestion, that it broke apart from the repeated impacts, and that after the repeated impacts the fragments rejoined.
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Because Miranda, the smallest moon of Uranus, has a large number of different surface features, including craters, mountains, valleys, and fractures, some astronomers suggest that at one time repeated impacts broke the surface apart, and after which the fragments were subsequently rejoined because of mutual gravitational attraction.


(A) repeated impacts broke the surface apart, and after which the fragments were subsequently rejoined because of

(B) repeated impacts on the surface broke it apart, after which the fragments having rejoined with

(C) through repeated impacts that the surface broke apart, after which the fragments subsequently rejoined by

(D) the surface broke apart with repeated impacts, after which the fragments having rejoined through

(E) the surface broke apart as a result of repeated impacts, after which the fragments rejoined through


passive+by is used to show the agent/perfomer of the action. by+noun seldom shows the method of action .

fragment rejoin without the agent which performing rejoining , "through' is correct.

fragment rejoin through gravitation
fragment is rejoined by gratitation

both sentences are correct possiblly . but we dont have to differentiate them.

Originally posted by thangvietnam on 21 May 2019, 02:11.
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Because Miranda, the smallest moon of Uranus, has a large number of different surface features, including craters, mountains, valleys, and fractures, some astronomers suggest that at one time repeated impacts broke the surface apart, and after which the fragments were subsequently rejoined because of mutual gravitational attraction.

(A) repeated impacts broke the surface apart, and after which the fragments were subsequently rejoined because of
(B) repeated impacts on the surface broke it apart, after which the fragments having rejoined with
(C) through repeated impacts that the surface broke apart, after which the fragments subsequently rejoined by
(D) the surface broke apart with repeated impacts, after which the fragments having rejoined through
(E) the surface broke apart as a result of repeated impacts, after which the fragments rejoined through


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Others reject based on subsequently vs after ( A and C) but I rejected A, B and C because one time what? A,B and C denotes the wrong meaning. D and E start with right subject. Later D can be rejected because D has run on error in subordinate clause.
Please suggest am i correct in rejecting A, B and C?


Great question mSKR!

YES, you could reasonably reject options A, B, and C because the way they're written "muddles" the intended meaning. The GMAT prefers concise, simple answers over complex or overly wordy ones. In this case, options A, B, and C switch the subject and the object of the clause - and to do that, they have to be written using FAR too many words. Options D & E handle that part of the sentence much better - they are both clear and concise!

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We can't write A-C off simply because of their subject. For instance, if I say "One time, my brother stole my car," I could also reorder that and say "One time, my car was stolen by my brother." However, A-C are tricky in that they combine "at one time" with "repeated." Unless those repeated impacts all occurred in a very short span of time (like a flurry of punches or a meteor shower), it's odd to describe them as happening "at one time." It makes more sense to say that the surface broke apart at one time, as a result of impacts that may have happened at different times. However, A-B could work grammatically if it made sense to have a short sequence of repeated events. C, on the other hand, doesn't work at all, since it says "that the surface broke apart," leaving us with no main clause. In short, C is not a sentence!
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What about the "rejoined by" , "rejoined through" and "rejoined because of" are any of these idiomatic expressions?

After which, subsequently redundant? Can someone verify? Thanks!


As per my analysis of this question

some astronomers suggest that at one time..

So its best to the subject first and only D and E does that..

D had having incorrect but I had no solid reason to eliminate the other choices!
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Because Miranda, the smallest moon of Uranus, has a large number of different surface features, including craters, mountains, valleys, and fractures, some astronomers suggest that at one time repeated impacts broke the surface apart, and after which the fragments were subsequently rejoined because of mutual gravitational attraction.

A. repeated impacts broke the surface apart, and after which the fragments were subsequently rejoined becaust of

1. after which - subsequently : redundant
2. "after which" & "and" don't require "and" one connecting word is good enough



E.the surface broke apart as a result of repeated impacts, after which the fragments rejoined through.
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Because Miranda, the smallest moon of Uranus, has a large number of different surface features, including craters, mountains, valleys, and fractures, some astronomers suggest that at one time repeated impacts broke the surface apart, and after which the fragments were subsequently rejoined because of mutual gravitational attraction.

(A) repeated impacts broke the surface apart, and after which the fragments were subsequently rejoined because of

(B) repeated impacts on the surface broke it apart, after which the fragments having rejoined with

(C) through repeated impacts that the surface broke apart, after which the fragments subsequently rejoined by

(D) the surface broke apart with repeated impacts, after which the fragments having rejoined through

(E) the surface broke apart as a result of repeated impacts, after which the fragments rejoined through


look at choice A.
"and after which" requires "which" at the beginning of the sentence
the time at which I talked to her and after which I loved her is in the past.
this is correct sentence. choice A has no "which" at first, so, it can not have "after which" latter.
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e-gmat or GMATNinja request you to rectify my understanding

In POE, step I narrowed down the prospective answer to A and E.
I could not identify the redundancy error in option A.
In case of option E, I thought that the phrase, "fragments rejoined" alters the meaning. From my perspective, the phrases presents a meaning that the fragments themselves rejoined.
In case of option A, I could not find anything unusual aside from the passive tense usage.
Hence, providing a higher weightage to "meaning alteration" I decided to choose option A.

My questions are:
1. I would appreciate any guidance on how to spot a redundancy error, as I fail to stop such error number of times
2. Please clarify my confusion regarding the meaning change in option E.
Thank you.
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(A) repeated impacts broke the surface apart, and after which the fragments were subsequently rejoined because of

- don't need 'and' if you use 'after which' (no need for 2 linking words/phrases)
- redundancy: 'after which' means the same thing as 'subsequently', so having both is fatal
- 'because of' is sketchy; it suggests indirect causation, while the clear meaning is that gravitational attraction was directly responsible
- bad parallelism: first half is in active voice, but second half is in passive voice

vietst wrote:(B) repeated impacts on the surface broke it apart, after which the fragments having rejoined with

- 'it' could potentially refer to either 'surface' or 'miranda' (or even 'uranus')
- 'having rejoined with' isn't a verb (an actual bona fide verb is required for parallelism)

vietst wrote:(C) through repeated impacts that the surface broke apart, after which the fragments subsequently rejoined by

- read the whole thing: suggested that at one time through repeated impacts that... huh??
- the wording suggests that the surface broke apart by itself (although perhaps because of the urging of the impacts) - doesn't have anywhere near as much directness as it should

vietst wrote:(D) the surface broke apart with repeated impacts, after which the fragments having rejoined through

- 'with' is incorrect
- 'having rejoined': same problem as in choice b

vietst wrote:(E) the surface broke apart as a result of repeated impacts, after which the fragments rejoined through

CORRECT
- 'as a result of' = proper idiom
- proper parallelism: the surface broke apart is parallel to the fragments rejoined
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in my opinion, the use of WHICH is worng in all the five choices, because WHICH can not refer to an action.

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Because Miranda, the smallest moon of Uranus, has a large number of different surface features, including craters, mountains, valleys, and fractures, some astronomers suggest that at one time repeated impacts broke the surface apart, and after which the fragments were subsequently rejoined because of mutual gravitational attraction.

(A) repeated impacts broke the surface apart, and after which the fragments were subsequently rejoined because of
(B) repeated impacts on the surface broke it apart, after which the fragments having rejoined with
(C) through repeated impacts that the surface broke apart, after which the fragments subsequently rejoined by
(D) the surface broke apart with repeated impacts, after which the fragments having rejoined through
(E) the surface broke apart as a result of repeated impacts, after which the fragments rejoined through


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Others reject based on subsequently vs after ( A and C) but I rejected A, B and C because one time what? A,B and C denotes the wrong meaning. D and E start with right subject. Later D can be rejected because D has run on error in subordinate clause.
Please suggest am i correct in rejecting A, B and C?
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Hello,
I am bit confused with answer E.
(E) the surface broke apart as a result of repeated impacts, after which the fragments rejoined through

I've learned that "as" should be followed by a clause.
It seems like noun phrase came after "as".
Can anyone explain this?

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