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Before George Eliot became the popular and respected novelist known as George Eliot, she had been an anonymous translator and essayist

(A) Before George Eliot became the popular and respected novelist known as George Eliot, she had been
(B) Before she had been the popular and respected novelist, George Eliot she was
(C) George Eliot has been popular and respected novelist, George Eliot after such time as she was
(D) Before George Eliot became the popular and respected novelist, George Eliot,she was
(E) George Eliot, before she was the popular and respected novelist, George Eliot, had been
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13 Jul 2010, 17:20
all the other answer choices seems either too wordy or awkward...my choice was A - it made more sense

B --> the last part is not correct- "george eliot she was" atleast the comma was misplaced...
C--> incorrect
D --> redundant "george eliot", the should have been "a"
E --> again... 2 instances of her name is wrong.
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14 Jul 2010, 04:26
The question is wrong. Had been does not make sense.

http://www.beatthegmat.com/george-eliiiot-t22156.html

Please correct, it only confuses others.
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14 Jul 2010, 11:20
I'd probably go with A even thought I see the problem with the "had been" tense issue.
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14 Jul 2010, 23:05
Question is correct.
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When / Before -----> clauses DONT need past perfect for sequencing. So A is wrong.

(A) Before George Eliot became the popular and respected novelist known as George Eliot, she had been

Should be simple past.

OA should be D. I am convinced.
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15 Jul 2010, 00:43
I selected D, but confused wherther it should be A or D.

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I'm reluctant to chime in on this one because I believe there are a couple of transcription errors in the original post (for example, a comma missing in B and the end of the sentence is missing in the given sentence). I'm relying more on the BTG post linked above. Plus, I think it is odd that the name George Eliot is used twice, not because of redundancy, but because of inaccuracy. Before the author became known as George Eliot, she (by definition of "before"!) was not referred to as George Eliot. In case you were wondering, she was known as Mary Anne Evans originally (thanks Wikipedia!).

But all that aside, A is better than D because the commas around George Eliot are incorrect, or at least debatable. "Known as" may be wordier, but it is more correct.

For example:
The popular and often-quoted author Mark Twain lived in Hannibal, Missouri, during his formative years. CORRECT.
The popular and often-quoted author known as Mark Twain lived in Hannibal, Missouri, during his formative years. CORRECT.
The popular and often-quoted author, Mark Twain, lived in Hannibal, Missouri, during his formative years. INCORRECT (or at least less correct).

Some might argue that his name is parenthetical, and the sentence is grammatically complete as "The popular and often-quoted author lived in Hannibal, Missouri, during ...." They'd be right. But it's tough to make the case that the name of this author is optional/unimportant/less important than the generic subject "author."

The real GMAT would make all 4 wrong answers more definitively wrong than that, in my opinion.
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16 Jul 2010, 22:23
esledge

Thanks for the explanation. But why is past perfect used in A? It could have been simple past e.g.

Before George Eliot became the popular and respected novelist known as George Eliot, she was ---> not "had been". Before does the sequencing on the time line.

An example of this is "when" clauses. We know that past perfect is used to sequence two past events. But the exception is "when" clauses. When clauses happen first when both clauses are in simple past tense.

When I paid her one-dollar (1) , she answered my question. (2)
event (1) happened before event (2)

I think same should apply to "before".

esledge wrote:
I'm reluctant to chime in on this one because I believe there are a couple of transcription errors in the original post (for example, a comma missing in B and the end of the sentence is missing in the given sentence). I'm relying more on the BTG post linked above. Plus, I think it is odd that the name George Eliot is used twice, not because of redundancy, but because of inaccuracy. Before the author became known as George Eliot, she (by definition of "before"!) was not referred to as George Eliot. In case you were wondering, she was known as Mary Anne Evans originally (thanks Wikipedia!).

But all that aside, A is better than D because the commas around George Eliot are incorrect, or at least debatable. "Known as" may be wordier, but it is more correct.

For example:
The popular and often-quoted author Mark Twain lived in Hannibal, Missouri, during his formative years. CORRECT.
The popular and often-quoted author known as Mark Twain lived in Hannibal, Missouri, during his formative years. CORRECT.
The popular and often-quoted author, Mark Twain, lived in Hannibal, Missouri, during his formative years. INCORRECT (or at least less correct).

Some might argue that his name is parenthetical, and the sentence is grammatically complete as "The popular and often-quoted author lived in Hannibal, Missouri, during ...." They'd be right. But it's tough to make the case that the name of this author is optional/unimportant/less important than the generic subject "author."

The real GMAT would make all 4 wrong answers more definitively wrong than that, in my opinion.

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23 Dec 2011, 22:13
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When / Before -----> clauses DONT need past perfect for sequencing. So A is wrong.

(A) Before George Eliot became the popular and respected novelist known as George Eliot, she had been

Should be simple past.

OA should be D. I am convinced.

In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with 'had been' because I can see 2 action items in sequence:
1. She was doing a writer job anonymously
2. She became popular.

So 'had been' with the first action seems to be appropriate.
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esledge

Thanks for the explanation. But why is past perfect used in A? It could have been simple past e.g.

Before George Eliot became the popular and respected novelist known as George Eliot, she was ---> not "had been". Before does the sequencing on the time line.

An example of this is "when" clauses. We know that past perfect is used to sequence two past events. But the exception is "when" clauses. When clauses happen first when both clauses are in simple past tense.

When I paid her one-dollar (1) , she answered my question. (2)
event (1) happened before event (2)

I think same should apply to "before".

esledge wrote:
I'm reluctant to chime in on this one because I believe there are a couple of transcription errors in the original post (for example, a comma missing in B and the end of the sentence is missing in the given sentence). I'm relying more on the BTG post linked above. Plus, I think it is odd that the name George Eliot is used twice, not because of redundancy, but because of inaccuracy. Before the author became known as George Eliot, she (by definition of "before"!) was not referred to as George Eliot. In case you were wondering, she was known as Mary Anne Evans originally (thanks Wikipedia!).

But all that aside, A is better than D because the commas around George Eliot are incorrect, or at least debatable. "Known as" may be wordier, but it is more correct.

For example:
The popular and often-quoted author Mark Twain lived in Hannibal, Missouri, during his formative years. CORRECT.
The popular and often-quoted author known as Mark Twain lived in Hannibal, Missouri, during his formative years. CORRECT.
The popular and often-quoted author, Mark Twain, lived in Hannibal, Missouri, during his formative years. INCORRECT (or at least less correct).

Some might argue that his name is parenthetical, and the sentence is grammatically complete as "The popular and often-quoted author lived in Hannibal, Missouri, during ...." They'd be right. But it's tough to make the case that the name of this author is optional/unimportant/less important than the generic subject "author."

The real GMAT would make all 4 wrong answers more definitively wrong than that, in my opinion.

As far as I understand, rule that is applicable for 'when' is not applicable for 'before'. 'when' clearly shows two incidents happening immediately, but 'before' does not signify the immediate sequencing.
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As far as I understand, rule that is applicable for 'when' is not applicable for 'before'. 'when' clearly shows two incidents happening immediately, but 'before' does not signify the immediate sequencing.

Agreed
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21 Jan 2012, 11:20
yeah..i too believe there is some prob with the Qn...
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Before George Eliot became the popular and respected novelist known as George Eliot,
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an anonymous translator and essayist of formidably far-ranging scholarship.
(A) Before George Eliot became the popular and respected novelist known as George Eliot,
she was
(B) Before she had been the popular and respected novelist, George Eliot, she was
(C) George Eliot has been the popular and respected novelist, George Eliot, after such time
as she was
(D) Before George Eliot became the popular and respected novelist, George Eliot, she was
(E) George Eliot, before she was the popular and respected novelist, George Eliot, had been

OA - after some discussion
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14 Sep 2012, 08:15
By ear, I would pick A. By strict grammatical rule, I would pick E.
The present past tense in the first half of the sentence calls for past perfect tense and E is the only option with past perfect tense.

My answer is E - keeping my fingers crossed for this one.
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14 Sep 2012, 10:08
IMO E.
Here, we are taking about 2 time frames one in which Eliot was a translator and other in which shw is a novelist... So, I assume past perfect make sens here...
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14 Sep 2012, 10:34
imo the answer is A. though the two events occur in the past and one precedes the other, the order of events is perfectly clear even without using past perfect tense(the "before" makes this easier). The comma in e is awkwardly placed.
what is OA?
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29 Sep 2012, 02:12
I will go with A just because it's the concise of the two probable answers ( A & E)
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Before George Eliot became the popular and respected novelist known as George Eliot,
she was
an anonymous translator and essayist of formidably far-ranging scholarship.
(A) Before George Eliot became the popular and respected novelist known as George Eliot,
she was
(B) Before she had been the popular and respected novelist, George Eliot, she was
(C) George Eliot has been the popular and respected novelist, George Eliot, after such time
as she was
(D) Before George Eliot became the popular and respected novelist, George Eliot, she was
(E) George Eliot, before she was the popular and respected novelist, George Eliot, had been

OA - after some discussion

A - Too wordy
B - She had been - Pronoun error
C - Tense Error
D - sounds ok
E - Geaorge Elliot is redundant i guess

OA please, I think its between A and D
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29 Jun 2013, 21:28
I choose E which, I believe, presents the harmony in verb tense. Wait for the OA.
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