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Before scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth hormone, removing it painstakingly in small amounts from the pituitary glands of human cadavers.

A. scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth hormone, removing it painstakingly
B. scientists had learned about making a synthetic growth hormone, they had to remove it painstakingly
C. scientist learned how to synthesize the growth hormone, it had to be painstakingly removed
D. learning how to make a synthetic growth hormone, scientists had to remove it painstakingly
E. Learning how to synthesize the growth hormone, it have to be painstakingly removed by scientists

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Before scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth hormone, removing it painstakingly in small amounts from the pituitary glands of human cadavers.
A. scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth hormone, removing it painstakingly
B. scientists had learned about making a synthetic growth hormone, they had to remove it painstakingly
C. scientist learned how to synthesize the growth hormone, it had to be painstakingly removed
D. learning how to make a synthetic growth hormone, scientists had to remove it painstakingly
E. Learning how to synthesize the growth hormone, it have to be painstakingly removed by scientists

Isnt C a "Run ON"?

scientist learned how to synthesize the growth hormone - an independent statement
it had to be painstakingly removed - another independent statement

both statements are not connected with conjunctions or coordinating conjunctions etc... PLease help.

C isn't a run on you forgot the subordinating conjunction BEFORE
Before scientist learned how to synthesize the growth hormone(subordinate/dependent clause), it had to be painstakingly removed in small amounts from the pituitary glands of human cadavers.(main/independent clause)

So the structure is {sub.conjunction +dependent clause, independent clause)

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05 Nov 2011, 22:20
It comes under conciseness. to make a synthetic... can be expressed more stlyistically by making it synthesize
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05 Nov 2011, 22:42
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It comes under conciseness. to make a synthetic... can be expressed more stlyistically by making it synthesize

but, there is a word meaning difference betwen synthetic (which means artificial, or not natural) and synthesize (which means to form a whole). just this difference mademe choose B. else C obviously is more concise.
i dont think we can subordinate meaning to concision.

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07 Nov 2011, 01:21
definitely C. This has been discussed many times in other topics.
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07 Nov 2011, 09:52
C is correct.
This option,infact is most clear and concise.
It clearly refers to the harmone.
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14 Nov 2011, 14:58
C has to be wrong. It changes the meaning, "make a synthetic growth hormone" does not mean "synthesize the growth harmone"

I know the OA is C but I think its WRONG! AGREE???????

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14 Nov 2011, 19:17
Before scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth hormone, removing it painstakingly in small amounts from the pituitary glands of human cadavers.
A. scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth hormone, removing it painstakingly => lack of main verb and object in 2nd Noun phrase
B. scientists had learned about making a synthetic growth hormone, they had to remove it painstakingly (in small amount...) => make nonsense
C. scientist learned how to synthesize the growth hormone, it had to be painstakingly removed => More logically with the remain non-underline. Correct
D. learning how to make a synthetic growth hormone, scientists had to remove it painstakingly => Same reason as B
E. Learning how to synthesize the growth hormone, it have to be painstakingly removed by scientists => the interfere of by scientists make the remain illogical, moreover, the first phrase should modify scientists right after it
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21 Nov 2011, 01:15
devinawilliam83 wrote:
ksp wrote:
It comes under conciseness. to make a synthetic... can be expressed more stlyistically by making it synthesize

but, there is a word meaning difference betwen synthetic (which means artificial, or not natural) and synthesize (which means to form a whole). just this difference mademe choose B. else C obviously is more concise.
i dont think we can subordinate meaning to concision.

Any thoughts?

I agree that there is a change of meaning in c...

But b has grammatical error :
Before scientists had learned about making a synthetic growth hormone, they had to remove it painstakingly in small amounts from the pituitary glands of human cadavers.

Here we find a mis use of the past perfect tense...

Hence, I feel that whenever we have confusion with grammar and meaning, we should first prefer to correct the grammar and then meaning.
Hence C here is the best choice..
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devinawilliam83 wrote:
Before scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth hormone, removing it painstakingly in small amounts from the pituitary glands of human cadavers.
A. scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth hormone, removing it painstakingly
B. scientists had learned about making a synthetic growth hormone, they had to remove it painstakingly
C. scientist learned how to synthesize the growth hormone, it had to be painstakingly removed
D. learning how to make a synthetic growth hormone, scientists had to remove it painstakingly
E. Learning how to synthesize the growth hormone, it have to be painstakingly removed by scientists

Isnt C a "Run ON"?

scientist learned how to synthesize the growth hormone - an independent statement
it had to be painstakingly removed - another independent statement

both statements are not connected with conjunctions or coordinating conjunctions etc... PLease help.
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31 Oct 2013, 13:11
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devinawilliam83 wrote:
Before scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth hormone, removing it painstakingly in small amounts from the pituitary glands of human cadavers.
A. scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth hormone, removing it painstakingly
B. scientists had learned about making a synthetic growth hormone, they had to remove it painstakingly
C. scientist learned how to synthesize the growth hormone, it had to be painstakingly removed
D. learning how to make a synthetic growth hormone, scientists had to remove it painstakingly
E. Learning how to synthesize the growth hormone, it have to be painstakingly removed by scientists

Isnt C a "Run ON"?

scientist learned how to synthesize the growth hormone - an independent statement
it had to be painstakingly removed - another independent statement

both statements are not connected with conjunctions or coordinating conjunctions etc... PLease help.

C isn't a run on you forgot the subordinating conjunction BEFORE
Before scientist learned how to synthesize the growth hormone(subordinate/dependent clause), it had to be painstakingly removed in small amounts from the pituitary glands of human cadavers.(main/independent clause)

So the structure is {sub.conjunction +dependent clause, independent clause)

For more discussion refer link below
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ohh god...How can I not see "Before"... Thank you dento biz
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03 Nov 2013, 08:49
Hi guys.
How do we solve the conflict of "synthesizing a hormone" and a "synthetic hormone"?
They do not mean the same thing.... Aren't we changing the meaning of the sentence?
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ronr34 wrote:
Hi guys.
How do we solve the conflict of "synthesizing a hormone" and a "synthetic hormone"?
They do not mean the same thing.... Aren't we changing the meaning of the sentence?

When you sythesize something,it becomes sythentic.
but if u see the sentence as a whole,they are very closely related.
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devinawilliam83 wrote:
Before scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth hormone, removing it painstakingly in small amounts from the pituitary glands of human cadavers.
A. scientists learned how to make a synthetic growth hormone, removing it painstakingly
B. scientists had learned about making a synthetic growth hormone, they had to remove it painstakingly
C. scientist learned how to synthesize the growth hormone, it had to be painstakingly removed
D. learning how to make a synthetic growth hormone, scientists had to remove it painstakingly
E. Learning how to synthesize the growth hormone, it have to be painstakingly removed by scientists

Isnt C a "Run ON"?

scientist learned how to synthesize the growth hormone - an independent statement
it had to be painstakingly removed - another independent statement

both statements are not connected with conjunctions or coordinating conjunctions etc... PLease help.

C isn't a run on you forgot the subordinating conjunction BEFORE
Before scientist learned how to synthesize the growth hormone(subordinate/dependent clause), it had to be painstakingly removed in small amounts from the pituitary glands of human cadavers.(main/independent clause)

So the structure is {sub.conjunction +dependent clause, independent clause)

For more discussion refer link below
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/bef ... -t637.html

Isn't it supposed to be "Before scientists ....."?
Why is scientist in singular form? It isn't right....
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22 Nov 2013, 03:57
ronr34 wrote:
Isn't it supposed to be "Before scientists ....."?
Why is scientist in singular form? It isn't right....

You are correct. This is definitely a typo; if the intent was to refer to a "particular scientist", it should at least have been "the scientist".
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ronr34 wrote:
Isn't it supposed to be "Before scientists ....."?
Why is scientist in singular form? It isn't right....

You are correct. This is definitely a typo; if the intent was to refer to a "particular scientist", it should at least have been "the scientist".

Agree, hence C is incorrect!
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22 Nov 2013, 13:15
Isn't 'before' modifying 'scientists' instead of 'learning'? Even in the second part there should be a reference to a person carrying out an action..... I would prefer D....

How can OA be C? There is no mention of a person carrying that action..... Also, I feel 'before' is modifying 'Scientists'.... I would have been better satisfied if the structure was more like "Before learning ___ by scientists" or "Scientists before learning ___"
Can someone clarify?
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Choices C and D are the contenders.

C. scientist learned how to synthesize the growth hormone, it had to be painstakingly removed
D. learning how to make a synthetic growth hormone, scientists had to remove it painstakingly

Even though synthesize the growth hormone and make a synthetic growth hormone are similar in meaning, there is another error in meaning if choice D is closely observed. D says that everytime before learning how to make a synthetic growth hormone, scientists had to remove it painstakingly. There is a clear distortion in the meaning of the original sentence, which intends to say that before scientists actually learned how to synthesize, they use to painstakingly remove it. Hence C is perfect here.

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