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Hi mikemcgarry,

Happy thanksgiving.

A quick question regarding B. I understand the issue you mentioned with grow and growth [i. e. VERB vs NOUN issue]; I discarded B and opted for A for another reason, and that is - "from when" in B

Is "from when" a correct structure to refer to a time period?

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Dear TheRzS,

I'm happy to respond.

One of the uses of "when" is to introduce a substantive clause, a clause that acts as a noun. Any substantive clause can be the object of any preposition.

There are other arrangements in which a "when" clause would follow "from," but that case is the most common.

Does this make sense?
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Lots of nasty modifiers here that require careful placement. So many of the phrases in these answer choices are the same--that's a clue that it will probably be the *position* of the phrases relative to each other that determines our answer.

The first split I chose to look at was between A/B ("Between 1990...) and C/D/E (The growth...). Neither is bad in and of itself, but seeing that "the growth" is the subject of the entire sentence for C/D/E is a cue for us to check the verb associated with that subject....sure enough, C and D use the present tense verb "exceeds" so we can cross them off-- we're in 2010, so the growth mentioned is *past* growth.

Also if the subject of the sentence in choice E is "the growth of the global economy between 1990 and 2000," then the second verb doesn't make sense when you replace the pronoun "it" with its antecedent: "the growth of the global economy between 1990 and 2000" exceeded what " the growth of the global economy between 1990 and 2000" did during an earlier time period? E's out too.

We're down to A and B. In general, the GMAT does not like unattached "that," "this," or "those" -- these words need some noun attached to them (this CAR, those PEOPLE, etc). A construction that IS allowed, and sometimes confuses people, is the use of "that of" or "those of" in a sentence. By adding the preposition "of," we imply the noun that was used earlier in the sentence. For example--

The door of my apartment is sturdier than the door of his apartment. Correct
The door of my apartment is sturdier than THAT OF his apartment. Correct, and means the exact same thing as the sentence immediate above
The door of my apartment is sturdier than that his apartment. INCORRECT

We need the "of" to complete this construction, and (B) doesn't have it. Eliminate.

That leaves us with (A). All of the modifiers are placed correctly and unambiguously, so that we know what each phrase refers to.

it is awesome explanation Parker.
I have eliminated B because i think ' from when ... to 1950" is unidiomatic. Is my POE right?
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04 Jan 2011, 00:55
parker wrote:
Good question-- it's not a construction that I've seen often and my gut says I don't like it, but I can't say that it's on my "definite no" list; I always hesitate to put something on that list unless I've seen it explicitly pointed out in official materials (also, I try to use idiom as the absolute last criteria for elimination).

But let's open it up to the group--has anyone else come across this in an OG problem or want to weigh in?

thanks Parker, i am not a native speaker and i wasted about 1 year to learn the lesson (on sc) you are recommending. Now my first approach to most sc problems is to consider its meaning first.
Comming back the sentence here, is "growth/economy + exceed" wierd in meaning? Plz kindly elaborate on this matter to help me understand deeply. i appreciate your all helps and willing to give kudos to all rational elucidations.
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I don't think this is a 700 level question.
1950 is only mentioned in A and not in other options. There insufficient comparison in choices B, C, D and E.

Can you help me prepositional phrases and idioms. I am not good with these.
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31 May 2014, 00:03
I eliminate A because I though it should be "Between 1990 and 2000 the global economy grew more than it had done during the 10,000 years from the beginning of agriculture"

Please tell me where I am wrong?
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12 Jul 2014, 10:41
In option A
Shouldn't "what' be mentioned after "than"?
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23 Jul 2014, 23:04
I am still confused on the usage of "from the beginning of agriculture" and "from when agriculture began".... Which one is the correct usage?

I saw in one of the posts that "growth cannot exceed/growth cannot be more but the economy can grow". Is it correct to infer this?

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Hi,

Thanks for teaching so much in a single question.

I went through Thursdays with Ron and now I am confused again.

In B) you mention: "The seat of chair A is more worn than it was last week.".

Can we say "The seat of chair A is more worn [now] than last week." or ""The seat of chair A is more worn [now] than it was worn last week." are more GMAT like constructions. I guess I missed the point somewhere.

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There are all sorts of good tips to take from this one!

Between 1990 and 2000 the global economy grew more than it did during the 10,000 years from the beginning of agriculture to 1950.

(A) Between 1990 and 2000 the global economy grew more than it did during the 10,000 years from the beginning of agriculture
(B) Between 1990 and 2000 the growth of the global economy was more than that during 10,000 years, from when agriculture began
Note: In comparisons, if you want to compare one thing another use "that," and if you want to compare something to itself, use "it": For example: "The seat of chair A is more worn than that of chair B." v.s. "The seat of chair A is more worn than it was last week."
(C) The growth of the global economy between 1990 and 2000 exceeds that which had been for 10,000 years from the beginning of agriculture
"that which" IS ALWAYS INCORRECT ON THE SC!! (Find more tips like these at gmaxonline
(D) The growth of the global economy between 1990 and 2000 exceeds what it has been for 10,000 years, from when agriculture began
Phrase of parallelism: From A to B. Notice that A, here, is "what..." and B is "1950"
(E) The growth of the global economy between 1990 and 2000 exceeded what it did for the 10,000 years from the beginning of agriculture
See B

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Between 1990 and 2000 the global economy grew more than it did during the 10,000 years from the beginning of agriculture to 1950.

(A) Between 1990 and 2000 the global economy grew more than it did during the 10,000 years from the beginning of agriculture
(B) Between 1990 and 2000 the growth of the global economy was more than that during 10,000 years, from when agriculture began
(C) The growth of the global economy between 1990 and 2000 exceeds that which had been for 10,000 years from the beginning of agriculture
(D) The growth of the global economy between 1990 and 2000 exceeds what it has been for 10,000 years, from when agriculture began
(E) The growth of the global economy between 1990 and 2000 exceeded what it did for the 10,000 years from the beginning of agriculture

would appreciate the explanations for wrong answer choices

pqhai has mentioned a great approach to solving the question. However, there are other ways to solve this one too!

(A) Between 1990 and 2000 the global economy grew more than it did during the 10,000 years from the beginning of agriculture
(B) Between 1990 and 2000 the growth of the global economy was more than that during 10,000 years, from when agriculture began - redundant
(C) The growth of the global economy between 1990 and 2000 exceeds that which had been for 10,000 years from the beginning of agriculture - bad construction
(D) The growth of the global economy between 1990 and 2000 exceeds what it has been for 10,000 years, from when agriculture began - redundant
(E) The growth of the global economy between 1990 and 2000 exceeded what it did for the 10,000 years from the beginning of agriculture - this sentence just doesnt want to end.

A by POE.
Out of curiosity, does anyone feel that there should be a comma after Between 1990 and 2000? if no, why?

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Both the factors under comparison relate to something in the past. There is no place for a present tense verb ‘exceeds’ in this question. Let us dump C and D.
In E, the growth is said to do something for some 10000 years. The growth is not a factor that can do something. It can be what it is, but not be the doer of something
Left with A and B:
B: --- more than that during 10,000 years, from when agriculture began --- 'When' refers to a specific point of time. Can we attribute ‘when’ to a particular time during the 10000 years? Secondly, symmetrical parallelism is a big casualty in this choice.

So, A because of good parallelism and for avoiding the dubious 'when'
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Hi mikemcgarry,

Happy thanksgiving.

A quick question regarding B. I understand the issue you mentioned with grow and growth [i. e. VERB vs NOUN issue]; I discarded B and opted for A for another reason, and that is - "from when" in B

Is "from when" a correct structure to refer to a time period?

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Between 1990 and 2000 the global economy grew more than it did during the 10,000 years from the beginning of agriculture to 1950.

1. Between 1990 and 2000 the global economy grew more than it did during the 10,000 years from the beginning of agriculture to 1950.
2. Between 1990 and 2000 the growth of the global economy was more than that during 10,000 years, from when agriculture began.
3. The growth of the global economy between 1990 and 2000 exceeds that which had been for 10,000 years from the beginning of agriculture.
4. The growth of the global economy between 1990 and 2000 exceeds what it has been for 10,000 years, from when agriculture began.
5. The growth of the global economy between 1990 and 2000 exceeded what it did for the 10,000 years from the beginning of agriculture.

No Clue !! Help

I'm happy to help with this.

First of all, one big hint in this problem --- the word "grow" appears as a verb only in (A), and appears as the noun "growth" in the other four answers. That's not definitive, in and of itself, but it's a HUGE hint. The GMAT loves this kind of split, the same root word as noun/verb/adjective ---- over 95% of the time, the verb form will be correct. The reason is --- putting action as a verb tends to make the sentence more concise, more direct, and more powerful. Putting the action in noun or adjective form almost always makes things more indirect and wordy. See:
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2013/active-verbs-on-the-gmat/

Version (A) is perfectly correct grammatically, as well as direct & clear & powerful.

(B) is wordy, flabby, indirect.
(C) & (D) have the illogical present tense. The period 1950-2000 was a lovely time, but it ended 13 years ago, so using a present tense for this is incorrect.
(E) is also wordy & flabby, and I don't think the phrase "exceeded what it did" makes any sense at all. Does a world economy "do" its size, or do we say it simply "is" a size? The world economy is \$XXX hundred billion. It would be totally illogical to use "does" instead of "is".

That's why (A) is the best. Does this make sense?
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Between 1990 and 2000 the global economy grew more than it did during the 10,000 years from the beginning of agriculture to 1950.

(A) Between 1990 and 2000 the global economy grew more than it did during the 10,000 years from the beginning of agriculture
(B) Between 1990 and 2000 the growth of the global economy was more than that during 10,000 years, from when agriculture began
(C) The growth of the global economy between 1990 and 2000 exceeds that which had been for 10,000 years from the beginning of agriculture
(D) The growth of the global economy between 1990 and 2000 exceeds what it has been for 10,000 years, from when agriculture began
(E) The growth of the global economy between 1990 and 2000 exceeded what it did for the 10,000 years from the beginning of agriculture

Dear mikemcgarry, MagooshExpert Carolyn, GMATNinjaTwo, GMATNinja,
indeed, I need your help to dispel my confusions

Q1:since growth is a number, i wonder whether the following are logical?
growth 1 exceeds growth 2
growth 1 is greater than growth 2
growth rate 1 exceeds growth rate 2
growth rate 1 is faster than growth rate 2

Q2: pronoun
#1
D) & E)both "it" refer to "the growth of the golbal economy between 1990 and 2000", rather than "the gowth of global economy", because the "between 1990 and 2000" is essential modifier of the growth of the global economy,
Right ?

based on reference above, I think the second half of the sentence is illogial because the 10 - year growth ( from 1990 t0 2000 )is impossible to grow for 10,000 years.

#2
B) " that "refers to growth of the global economy,
i view "that" as "NEW COPY", the another "growth of the global economy" but not the same as the one between 1990 and 2000.
In other word, i think the first half is correct,
but the second half is incorrect (from ... to... is a mark of parallelism, the error is a clause parallels to a noun)
C) " that "refers to the growth of the global economy.
similary, I thougt "that" is correct, but i am not sure the parts after "that".
if "that" is a "NEW COPY", then which clause modifies "that", but i barely encounterd sentense that which clause follows "that" without comma,

Q3: what it has been for 10,000 years in D, what it did for the 10,000 years in E

these play noun role, like
what I know is not the truth.
So the comparison is ok because noun 1 compares with noun 2
while, I read some replies explian the comparison is incorrect because noun cannot compare with clause.

Q4:: tense
I understand A is correct,
i picked up C because "had been for10,000 years ", I though "for 10,000 years" is a continous period and the growth happened during the period, and the "1950" is a past end, which means the growth began before a past time, so i think "had been for 10,000" is correct.
I know i must be wrong, but please point out where.

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i picked up C because "had been for 10,000 years ", I though "for 10,000 years" is a continous period and the growth happened during the period, and the "1950" is a past end, which means the growth began before a past time, so i think "had been for 10,000" is correct.

Hi zoezhuyan, I believe this is where the confusion is. We need to understand the difference between the following sentences:

(i) India was a British colony from 1747 to 1947.
- This sentence is appropriately expressed in simple past because the sentence is just referring to an event of the past (India being a British colony)

(ii) By 1947, India had been a British colony for 200 years.
- This sentence is appropriately expressed in past perfect because in this sentence, we are specifically talking about two things:
(a) A specific time in the past (1947)
(b) The turn of events before 1947
Hence, this sentence is appropriately expressed in past perfect.

The current question just talks about an event of the past and hence, the sentence needs to be in simple past.

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zoezhuyan wrote:
i picked up C because "had been for 10,000 years ", I though "for 10,000 years" is a continous period and the growth happened during the period, and the "1950" is a past end, which means the growth began before a past time, so i think "had been for 10,000" is correct.

Hi zoezhuyan, I believe this is where the confusion is. We need to understand the difference between the following sentences:

(i) India was a British colony from 1747 to 1947.
- This sentence is appropriately expressed in simple past because the sentence is just referring to an event of the past (India being a British colony)

(ii) By 1947, India had been a British colony for 200 years.
- This sentence is appropriately expressed in past perfect because in this sentence, we are specifically talking about two things:
(a) A specific time in the past (1947)
(b) The turn of events before 1947
Hence, this sentence is appropriately expressed in past perfect.

The current question just talks about an event of the past and hence, the sentence needs to be in simple past.

p.s. Our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana discusses a specific example where the usage of time mandatesusage of Past Perfect. Have attached the corresponding section of the book, for your reference.

Hi EducationAisle,

I did not get the differenct from your examples and the GMAT Prep question.

My interpretation of your example ii)
By 1947, India had been a British colony for 200 years.
(a) the time period is 1747 - 1947, which an action ended in 1947, a past time , and began eailier than 1947
(b) during the time, India had been a British colony. but after 1947, India was no longer a British colony.

The GMAT Prep question
(a) the time period is sometime much earlier than 1950 -- 1950, it is similar to your time period
(b), during the time, the global economy had grown,

I am not sure the difference

regard your attachment, what i got is
1) the "perfect past" does not necessary mean earlier action, in the attachment, the earlier action is spent 4 hours, a simple tense, while the later action is had spent 8 hours, the perfect past tense.

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Hi zoezhuyan, if this confuses you, for GMAT purposes, you might just want to remember that whenever the sentence uses structure such as From X to Y, In X, and Between X and Y (where X and Y represent time), then we should use Simple Past.
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Hi zoezhuyan, if this confuses you, for GMAT purposes, you might just want to remember that whenever the sentence uses structure such as From X to Y, In X, and Between X and Y (where X and Y represent time), then we should use Simple Past.

Woud you please elobrate when should i use perfect past?

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zoezhuyan wrote:
Woud you please elobrate when should i use perfect past?

Hi zoezhuyan, past perfect is used to depict the following scenarios:

i) An event that happened at some point “before” another event in the past

ii) An extended event that continued until another event happened in the past

In the above scenarios another event can also be a specific time (this was the case that was confusing you earlier ).

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zoezhuyan wrote:
Woud you please elobrate when should i use perfect past?

Hi zoezhuyan, past perfect is used to depict the following scenarios:

i) An event that happened at some point “before” another event in the past

ii) An extended event that continued until another event happened in the past

In the above scenarios another event can also be a specific time(this was the case that was confusing you earlier ).

p.s. Our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana discusses Past perfect tense, its application and examples in significant detail. If someone is interested, PM me your email-id; I can mail the corresponding section.

Hi EducationAisle,
Honestly speaking, The scenario ii) -- Highlight parts-- still confuses me alot, LOL

Q1:since growth is a number, i wonder whether the following are logical?
growth 1 exceeds growth 2
growth 1 is greater than growth 2
growth rate 1 exceeds growth rate 2
growth rate 1 is faster than growth rate 2

Q2: pronoun
#1
D) & E)both "it" refer to "the growth of the golbal economy between 1990 and 2000", rather than "the gowth of global economy", because the "between 1990 and 2000" is essential modifier of the growth of the global economy,
Right ?

based on reference above, I think the second half of the sentence is illogial because the 10 - year growth ( from 1990 t0 2000 )is impossible to grow for 10,000 years.

#2
B) " that "refers to growth of the global economy,
i view "that" as "NEW COPY", the another "growth of the global economy" but not the same as the one between 1990 and 2000.
In other word, i think the first half is correct,
but the second half is incorrect (from ... to... is a mark of parallelism, the error is a clause parallels to a noun)
C) " that "refers to the growth of the global economy.
similary, I thougt "that" is correct, but i am not sure the parts after "that".
if "that" is a "NEW COPY", then which clause modifies "that", but i barely encounterd sentense that which clause follows "that" without comma,

Q3: what it has been for 10,000 years in D, what it did for the 10,000 years in E

these play noun role, like
what I know is not the truth.
So the comparison is ok because noun 1 compares with noun 2
while, I read some replies explian the comparison is incorrect because noun cannot compare with clause.

Thanks a ton

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Hi! Am pretty sure this will not be correct:

growth rate 1 is faster than growth rate 2

The reason is that in the above sentence, growth is just used as adjective. So, it is basically saying that rate 1 is faster than rate 2.

But this is invalid, for the same reason that depth cannot be deeper and length cannot be longer.
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